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1   carrieon   2014 May 22, 10:09pm  

Believing in the conspiracy theory that the general population is the cause of global warming is proof that public education still works.

2   bob2356   2014 May 23, 12:52am  

indigenous says

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2J8zEJHIg8

Great, someone spends 15 minutes saying quote climate change is wrong because I say so unqoute. I'm not all that impressed.

3   indigenous   2014 May 23, 1:03am  

bob2356 says

I'm not all that impressed.

Would you take it more seriously if it had a graph?

This guy is worth listening to and explains why the a posteriori method fails with global warming as well.

4   edvard2   2014 May 23, 1:22am  

I see a future of making some big bux: Hey all you global warming deniers... I have a coupla' reeeallll low-lieing islands with beautiful views of the ocean for sale. Since we don't have to worry about anything bad happening ever- like sea levels rising- here's your golden opportunity!

6   clambo   2014 May 23, 3:28am  

The global warming hysteria has been disproven by facts.

In the last 18 years, the earth didnt' warm up. All of the gloom and doom "climate models" were wrong.

Many people are easily fooled, as are some physicists. They incorrectly assume that the earth is a rock/water sphere surrounded by an atmosphere. It's not, it's alive and adding a nutrient to a living plant system can increase the plants uptake of the nutrient.

I could have believed in the "danger" of global warming if the gas were anything but CO2. The reason I disbelieve the hysteria is that CO2 is a plant nutrient.

CO2 rise and temperature rise has in some areas increased phytoplankton growth which uptakes the carbon. This has been seen.

In other areas, more rainfall on savannahs had increased the plant growth which uptakes the CO2 also. The same was seen when they studied the redwood trees, that they were thriving with higher CO2 levels.

Other problems with the whole "science" of global warming is that the energy the earth receives is not constant.

1. the sun's output is not constant
2. the earth's axis is not contant
3. the earth's orbit is not constant
4. cosmic rays received by earth are not constant.

Another problem is that if the sun warmed the earth, more CO2 is produced without humans burning anything.

Here's a pic of the sun showing from a NYTimes article.

7   bob2356   2014 May 23, 3:33am  

indigenous says

bob2356 says

I'm not all that impressed.

Would you take it more seriously if it had a graph?

I would take it more serously if there were something more than some guy standing there saying trust me it's true. Some actual scientific work would be a nice start.

8   edvard2   2014 May 23, 3:35am  

clambo says

The global warming hysteria has been disproven by facts.

We should apply this line of thinking to everything:
Nothing bad will never-ever happen. Ever. And as far as we're concerned, we need not ever have any sort of discussion about anything that gets in the way of good ole conservative values. Let's just plod along and never come up with a plan for anything. Just so long as we can go nah-nah-nah-nah in the face of those pesky liberals who cares about facts?

9   clambo   2014 May 23, 6:51am  

No, since the energy the earth receives from the sun and space is not constant, it's impossible to prove how burning fossil fuel can affect its temperature.

Also, it's been measured that plants will take up CO2, it's not stuck in the atmosphere at all.

It is all irrelevant since China and India will do whatever they want to. Al Gore and John Kerry are not going to stop them.

10   edvard2   2014 May 23, 7:43am  

clambo says

it's impossible to prove how burning fossil fuel can affect its temperature.

Actually, its not and one can make such measurements in comparison to what occurs during large volcanic eruptions. When a Volcano erupts it spews a whole lot of particulate matter into the air and repeatedly its bee shown that depending on the size of the eruption the local area around the volcano will tend to have either a much warmer or colder temps. Particulate matter is what blocks the sun and cam also in turn trap heat.

With diesel and gas emissions, as well as various other pollutants that produce particulate matter the net result is the same, simply put- these particles create similar scenarios depending on their density.

11   B.A.C.A.H.   2014 May 23, 11:59am  

edvard,

your notes about volcanic particles got me thinking...

I remember the panic about the concept of the Nuclear Winter... how just a handful of nukes would darken the planet, and cause an ice age.

I'm sure you know about "years without a summer" after volcanic catastrophes like krakatoa, etc. Even in recent years, Mt. Pinatubo moderated an otherwise sweltering 1990.

Just a few well placed nukes in some uninhabited place like Antarctica, deployed by an international consortium, might do the job. (Or hopefully, Israel/Iran won't already do the job in their own conflict).

Climate change is no doubt a larger health concern for the global good than the dispersal of the radionuclides from a handful of nukes.

12   thomaswong.1986   2014 May 23, 12:59pm  

http://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressRoom.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=469dd8f9-802a-23ad-4459-cc5c23c24651

Warming On Jupiter, Mars, Pluto, Neptune's Moon & Earth Linked to Increased Solar Activity, Scientists Say

or the past century and a half, Earth has been warming. Coincidentally (or perhaps not so coincidentally), during that same period, our sun has been brightening, becoming more active, sending out more radiation.

Habibullah Abdussamatov of the Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in St. Petersburg, Sami Solanki of the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Germany, Sallie Baliunas and Willie Soon of the Solar and Stellar Physics Division of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics and a host of the rest of the world's leading solar scientists are all convinced that the warming of recent years is not unusual and that nearly all the warming in the past 150 years can be attributed to the sun.

Solar scientists from Iowa to Siberia have overlaid the last several warm periods on our planet with known variations in our sun's activity and found, according to Mr. Solanki, "a near-perfect match."

Mr. Abdussamatov concedes manmade gasses may have made "a small contribution to the warming in recent years, but it cannot compete with the increase in solar irradiance."

Mr. Soon showed as long ago as the mid-1990s that the depth of the Little Ice Age -- the coldest period in the northern hemisphere in the past 1,500 years -- corresponded perfectly with a solar event known as the Maunder Minimum. For nearly seven decades there was virtually no sunspot activity.

Our sun was particular quiet. And for those 60 to 70 years, the northern half of our globe, at least, was in a deep freeze.

Is it so hard to believe then that the sun could be causing our current warming, too?

13   thomaswong.1986   2014 May 23, 1:09pm  

you just dont want to deal with reality... there is nothing for us to do.

if your concerned about Global Warming... take a trip to China...

not our problem...

14   thomaswong.1986   2014 May 23, 2:37pm  

indigenous says

wog says

Graphs measure reality and you've ridiculed them.

The question is what reality?

perhaps it that 4.6 Billion Asians took the dump today. Yep..
there is your Green House effect.. somehow we are to blame
for the shit going on in Asia.

15   HEY YOU   2014 May 24, 1:33pm  

From Saturday 21 February 2004

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver

I bet one could Googleize the latest report from the military.

16   HEY YOU   2014 May 24, 1:36pm  

It's Bush's fault.

From Saturday 21 February 2004

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2004/feb/22/usnews.theobserver

I bet one could Googleize the latest report from the military.

17   indigenous   2014 May 24, 2:14pm  

New Renter says

I'm not attacking you but I don't see how this paper is the smoking gun you are presenting it as. This paper is also nearly 15 years old, perhaps you have something more recent?

I'm attacking you but I don't see how this paper is the smoking gun you are presenting it as. This paper is also nearly 15 years old, perhaps you have something more recent?

18   thomaswong.1986   2014 May 24, 2:38pm  

HEY YOU says

It's Bush's fault.

Guess it was Bush some 8,200 years ago that caused climate change as well ? Nothing more than politics, with no real solutions...

"Already, according to Randall and Schwartz, the planet is carrying a higher population than it can sustain. By 2020 'catastrophic' shortages of water and energy supply will become increasingly harder to overcome, plunging the planet into war. They warn that 8,200 years ago climatic conditions brought widespread crop failure, famine, disease and mass migration of populations that could soon be repeated."

19   Ceffer   2014 May 24, 4:00pm  

This guy in the You Tube OP is just another conservative, Fox apparatchik, "chicken little liberal grant magnet" buzz kill.

Why does he hate profitable scientific hysteria? I bet he holds large positions in gas and oil.

20   carrieon   2014 May 24, 10:28pm  

Here's something the idiot media won't tell you. The Earth's temperature has always been regulated by the Sun's 11 year solar cycle, whereby it warms-up for 6 years and then cools-down for 5 years. You can't fight Mother Nature. We are just now finishing the Sun's 6 year warming cycle from 2008-2014. The sun will now cool-down from 2014-2019.
This Solar cycle has been documented for the past 200 years or more.

http://www.universetoday.com/103803/solar-cycle-24-on-track-to-be-the-weakest-in-100-years/

21   thomaswong.1986   2014 May 25, 1:42am  

carrieon says

This Solar cycle has been documented for the past 200 years or more.

No point... its not inline with the Lefts agenda... they have their own so
called Science !

22   indigenous   2014 May 25, 1:49am  

monkframe says

So anyone can post a video on Youtube and you believe what they're saying? Dude, go back to school, you're an innocent

Not that passes the logic test. If you or one of the other "believers" are a product of "school" I will pass.

23   New Renter   2014 May 25, 1:57am  

indigenous says

monkframe says

So anyone can post a video on Youtube and you believe what they're saying? Dude, go back to school, you're an innocent

Not that passes the logic test. If you or one of the other "believers" are a product of "school" I will pass.

God forbid you listen to someone who learned through academic research or *gasp* read a book

No, the gold standard for quality scientific information is whatever is posted anonymously on an internet real estate forum.

Everyone knows that!

24   indigenous   2014 May 25, 2:03am  

New Renter says

God forbid you listen to someone who learned through academic research or *gasp* read a book

The hoopla started with an inconvenient truth is that academic?

I like the link carrieon posted. Not as much hoopla, but has been quite good a predicting stuff for quite some...

25   thomaswong.1986   2014 May 25, 2:24am  

New Renter says

God forbid you listen to someone who learned through academic research or *gasp* read a book

Even Academic researchers are full of self interest egos and political interest groups. Global warming in the USA or Europe today, is no more than self interest groups looking for a hand out, cronism.

Global warming isnt our fight.. we gave that up once we allowed Environmentalist to kill off our manufacturing and lost our factories
to China. Had we had manufacturing in the USA and Europe, than
we would have curtailed or fixed the problem long ago.

Bottom line.. if you have a problem with pollution, go see
India and China about it...

26   New Renter   2014 May 25, 2:26am  

indigenous says

New Renter says

God forbid you listen to someone who learned through academic research or *gasp* read a book

The hoopla started with an inconvenient truth is that academic?

I like the link carrieon posted. Not as much hoopla, but has been quite good a predicting stuff for quite some...

Predicting damage to satellites and terrestrial electrical systems perhaps. Global climate change? Lets see some data where your favorite model fits later empirical data with a reasonable correlation.

27   New Renter   2014 May 25, 2:45am  

thomaswong.1986 says

New Renter says

God forbid you listen to someone who learned through academic research or *gasp* read a book

Even Academic researchers are full of self interest egos and political interest groups. Global warming in the USA or Europe today, is no more than self interest groups looking for a hand out, cronism.

Nice broad brush you have there.
thomaswong.1986 says

Global warming isnt our fight.. we gave that up once we allowed Environmentalist to kill off our manufacturing and lost our factories

to China. Had we had manufacturing in the USA and Europe, than

we would have curtailed or fixed the problem long ago.

Funny I thought it was evil unions and expensive American workers that forced the job creators to offshore. Instead its those damn dirty hippies!

Its all Nixon's fault!
thomaswong.1986 says

Bottom line.. if you have a problem with pollution, go see

India and China about it...

Or your neighborhood asshole who insists on using his charcoal grill every #"@$& day in the summer.

Oh wait, that's me!

28   thomaswong.1986   2014 May 25, 2:50am  

New Renter says

Funny I thought it was evil unions and expensive American workers that forced the job creators to offshore. Instead its those damn dirty hippies!

A number of reasons why jobs left offshore, and certainly even those dirty hippes turned CEOs sing the same tune... even though they are Dems and Obama supporters..they echo the similar comments.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/20/steve-jobs-biography-obama_n_1022786.html

"You're headed for a one-term presidency," he (Steve Jobs) told Obama at the start of their meeting, insisting that the administration needed to be more business-friendly. As an example, Jobs described the ease with which companies can build factories in China compared to the United States, where "regulations and unnecessary costs" make it difficult for them.

Jobs also criticized America's education system, saying it was "crippled by union work rules," noted Isaacson. "Until the teachers' unions were broken, there was almost no hope for education reform." Jobs proposed allowing principals to hire and fire teachers based on merit, that schools stay open until 6 p.m. and that they be open 11 months a year.

29   thomaswong.1986   2014 May 25, 2:52am  

New Renter says

Nice broad brush you have there.

Sad but true from what I have seen during my life. I dont see many in Science try to balance out the need of the people and a healthy economy. They come off as being some lefty central planning nut case.

30   thomaswong.1986   2014 May 25, 2:56am  

New Renter says

Or your neighborhood asshole who insists on using his charcoal grill every #"@$& day in the summer.

Oh wait, that's me!

Small fries... we had major forest fires for centuries and no one put them out..

31   indigenous   2014 May 25, 3:09am  

New Renter says

Predicting damage to satellites and terrestrial electrical systems perhaps. Global climate change? Lets see some data where your favorite model fits later empirical data with a reasonable correlation.

Yup just like clock work. Look at the link by Carrion.

32   B.A.C.A.H.   2014 May 25, 5:07am  

You guys bickering about the facts instead of solutions.

I still think an engineered solution of setting off some nukes in remote places not populated by humans to inject a calibrated amount of debris into the atmosphere will do the job. Dispersal of the radionuclides will be noise compared to what is dispersed already from various man made sources like Fukushima, etc. Climate change is a much more grave threat to overall global health.

In that case though we better hope a Krakatoa type event does not follow our solution.

33   New Renter   2014 May 25, 7:04am  

indigenous says

Yup just like clock work. Look at the link by Carrion.

I did but you clearly have not. There is NO correlation with the global temperatures anywhere in his link. None at all.

34   New Renter   2014 May 25, 7:08am  

B.A.C.A.H. says

You guys bickering about the facts instead of solutions.

I still think an engineered solution of setting off some nukes in remote places not populated by humans to inject a calibrated amount of debris into the atmosphere will do the job. Dispersal of the radionuclides will be noise compared to what is dispersed already from various man made sources like Fukushima, etc. Climate change is a much more grave threat to overall global health.

In that case though we better hope a Krakatoa type event does not follow our solution.

Fun facts:

2.1×10^17 J yield of the Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever tested (50 megatons)

8×10^17 J estimated energy released by the eruption of the Indonesian volcano, Krakatoa, in 1883

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_%28energy%29

I was watching a documentary where the designer of the Tsar Bomba was interviewed. The 50Mt Tsar Bomba test yield was smaller than the bomb's design allowed for - it had been dialed back to allow the bomber crew a chance to escape the explosion (even at 60 miles away the aircraft was hit hard by the shock wave). That bomb was designed to go up to 100Mt. He claimed the design could have gone much, much more powerful but at volumes above 100Mt the column breeches the atmosphere and the extra energy is simply dissipated to space. So yes it is possible to make a SINGLE H bomb more powerful than the 1883 Krakatoa explosion.

Gotta love human ingenuity!

35   indigenous   2014 May 25, 7:14am  

New Renter says

There is NO correlation with the global temperatures anywhere in his link. None at all.

The main factor is that if a politician is saying it you know it is a lie. Where would this trope be if not for Al Gore?

Consult the farmer almanac it is based on the same thing

"Absent from most headlines about global warming is a discussion of measures suggesting that the warming has ceased and a cooling may have begun. For example, deep-ocean heat content has not increased during the past five years. Looking at just one year, from January 2007 to January 2008, we find that satellite-derived atmospheric temperatures indicate that Earth was about one degree Fahrenheit cooler at the beginning of 2008 than it was at the beginning of 2007. The United Kingdom's Hadley Centre ocean and land temperature records show cooling in the last seven to ten years."

http://www.almanac.com/content/case-cool-climate

36   New Renter   2014 May 25, 7:16am  

indigenous says

New Renter says

There is NO correlation with the global temperatures anywhere in his link. None at all.

The main factor is that if a politician is saying it you know it is a lie. Where would this trope be if not for Al Gore?

Consult the farmer almanac it is based on the same thing

"Absent from most headlines about global warming is a discussion of measures suggesting that the warming has ceased and a cooling may have begun. For example, deep-ocean heat content has not increased during the past five years. Looking at just one year, from January 2007 to January 2008, we find that satellite-derived atmospheric temperatures indicate that Earth was about one degree Fahrenheit cooler at the beginning of 2008 than it was at the beginning of 2007. The United Kingdom's Hadley Centre ocean and land temperature records show cooling in the last seven to ten years."

http://www.almanac.com/content/case-cool-climate

So your answer is politicians lie and your scientific evidence for your rebuttal is the Farmers Almanac?

You watch a lot of daytime TV don't you?

37   indigenous   2014 May 25, 7:22am  

New Renter says

So your answer is politicians lie and your scientific evidence for your rebuttal is the Farmers Almanac?

That and the logic of the video I posted. You bet.

And yours is ubiquitous conjecture.

By virtue of the fact that what I espouse to is predicative and yours is not mine by definition is scientific and yours not so much...

38   New Renter   2014 May 25, 8:02am  

indigenous says

New Renter says

So your answer is politicians lie and your scientific evidence for your rebuttal is the Farmers Almanac?

That and the logic of the video I posted. You bet.

And yours is ubiquitous conjecture.

By virtue of the fact that what I espouse to is predicative and yours is not mine by definition is scientific and yours not so much...

I think you are mistaking science for truthiness:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness

39   rooemoore   2014 May 25, 8:30am  

indigenous says

That and the logic of the video I posted. You bet.

Holy cow, you're dim. That's my priori evaluation.

40   indigenous   2014 May 25, 10:56am  

New Renter says

I think you are mistaking science for truthiness

Nope i think you don't know this definition of the scientific method.

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