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1   Robert Sproul   2014 Jun 14, 8:00am  

Because as a Megalomaniacal Hegemon we are in a fatal trap created by our own ego, greed and ahistorical delusion.

2   Strategist   2014 Jun 14, 8:43am  

Robert Sproul says

Because as a Megalomaniacal Hegemon we are in a fatal trap created by our own ego, greed and ahistorical delusion.

We are in deep shit. You can't civilize fanatics at the snap of a finger.
The cowardly Iraqi soldiers took off their uniforms and ran.

https://twitter.com/LizSly/status/476348750944681984
4 days ago - Iraqi forces are so scared of ISIL fighters they're ripping off their uniforms and .... when soldiers were trying to save their skin not their uniforms.

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3   Robert Sproul   2014 Jun 14, 9:30am  

Our foreign policy has created and empowered Radical Islam.
WE created the monsters you are so frightened of.

Is Wesley Clark lying or telling the truth?
http://www.youtube.com/embed/r8FhZnFZ6TY
If he is telling the truth then they have no other plan in the ME except Chaos and War.
And, hegemony over the resultant Ruination.

4   MisdemeanorRebel   2014 Jun 14, 9:32am  

Strategist says

4 days ago - Iraqi forces are so scared of ISIL fighters they're ripping off their uniforms and .... when soldiers were trying to save their skin not their uniforms.

I've seen footage of what looks like captured Iraqi Army soldiers being marched out into the desert by what is claimed to be ISIS...

5   Strategist   2014 Jun 14, 10:05am  

Who the FUCK do the Saudis think they are? All politicians in all countries need to do this. What will they do then?

http://www.faithfreedom.org/netherlands-geert-wilders-has-incurred-the-wrath-of-saudi-arabia/

6   Strategist   2014 Jun 14, 10:09am  

Robert Sproul says

Our foreign policy has created and empowered Radical Islam.

WE created the monsters you are so frightened of.

This myth that has been going around scares me more then Al Qaeda fanatics.
Every country has a problem with Isalmic radicals from day one, even before America was discovered. How can it be our foreign policy?

7   HydroCabron   2014 Jun 14, 10:11am  

Why do they hate freedom? Why can't they become real estate investors? Should we send them our realtors?

8   Strategist   2014 Jun 14, 10:18am  

HuggyBumbers McLovkins says

Why do they hate freedom? Why can't they become real estate investors? Should we send them our realtors?

Here is an example of freedom:

http://islamophiliawatch.freedombulwark.com/?p=24&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FreedomBulwark+%28Freedom+Bulwark%29#sthash.Uk24trrv.dpbs

9   Robert Sproul   2014 Jun 14, 12:26pm  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

the Islamic revolution of Iran.

Which was itself a response to the long, extremely brutal regime of the CIA backed Shah Reza and his American trained mad-dog SAVAK.
"During Mohammad Reza's reign, the Iranian oil industry was briefly nationalized under the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh before a U.S.-backed coup d'état deposed Mosaddegh and brought back foreign oil firms."

10   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 14, 12:51pm  

Strategist says

This myth that has been going around scares me more then Al Qaeda fanatics.

Every country has a problem with Isalmic radicals from day one, even before America was discovered. How can it be our foreign policy?

You might even try to explain to Robert how US Ships in the late 1700s trading in the Med were intercepted by Muslim pirates and enslaved US citizens. Every nation had problems with Muslims nations for the past 1000 years.

11   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 14, 12:54pm  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Many old timers howled that funding of the insurgent fundamentalists would create a monster many times more dangerous than the Islamic revolution of Iran. The Persians had an interest in maintaining their nation state and had a rational frame of reference that could comport to some common reality with Westerners.

Hardly our mistake since the days of Nassar and many other despotic middle east dictators who sided and were puppets of the USSR.

12   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 14, 1:01pm  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

. The Persians had an interest in maintaining their nation state and had a rational frame of reference that could comport to some common reality with Westerners.

The Iranian revolution was equally against the Westernization of Iran.
It was a rejection of all things Democratic.. that is why there is no freedom
in Iran today, where under the Shah there was lots of freedom.

Ron Paul is wrong: Overthrowing Mossadegh wasn’t a mistake

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/27/ron-paul-is-wrong-overthrowing-mossadegh-wasnt-a-mistake/#ixzz34fnSUVnE

But people know far less about the 1953 case, though it has long been a source of complaint by left-wing critics of U.S. foreign policy. I was the first scholar to see the U.S. government records for the crisis when writing my book, “Paved with Good Intentions: The American Experience and Iran,” in 1979. Here is a brief summary of the key points.

First, the pressure for the coup came from the British, whose oil company Mossadegh wanted to nationalize. The Truman administration, which ended in January 1953, opposed American involvement. However, the situation worsened and the Eisenhower administration changed U.S. policy on the issue.

Mossadegh was an extremely unstable person and leader. He was clearly losing control of the country and the Communist Party, which backed him, was gaining power steadily. A close examination of the documents shows that whether it was correct or not, U.S. fear of a Communist takeover of Iran was based on serious evidence. This was the midst of the Cold War and the U.S.S.R. was Iran’s northern neighbor. The Soviets occupied northern Iran from 1941 to 1946 to secure the country’s oil during World War II, set up puppet regimes inside the country and only withdrew under intensive U.S. pressure.

13   MisdemeanorRebel   2014 Jun 14, 1:31pm  

Strategist says

Who the FUCK do the Saudis think they are? All politicians in all countries need to do this. What will they do then?

http://www.faithfreedom.org/netherlands-geert-wilders-has-incurred-the-wrath-of-saudi-arabia/

You have to love a country that exports violence against civilians and incites racial hatred from Punjab to the Philippines, from Bahrain to Britain, from Chechnya to Syria, whinging about some stickers.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/saudi/analyses/madrassas.html

A country whose textbooks for it's US-based schools teaches hatred of non-Islamic religions - and it STILL hasn't been fixed for more than a decade now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabian_textbook_controversy

A country who funded the successful campaign in Britain to create Sharia Divorce Courts.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/tv-and-radio-reviews/10011260/Panorama-Inside-Britains-Sharia-Courts-BBC-One-review.html

Strategist says

This myth that has been going around scares me more then Al Qaeda fanatics.

But we funded them or otherwise empowered them.

AFGHANISTAN
The anti-Soviet fighters were largely Pashtu Sunni Fundamentalists. Saudi Arabia and the US gave money and weapons (including Stingers) to Pakistan's Security Service, who distributed it to their ethnic and religious kin.

Later, they became the Taliban. We gave them foreign aid for years after the Soviets left and the Cold War ended.
http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/how-washington-funded-taliban

LIBYA
Ghaddafi gave up terror, paid out to victims, and started, in fear for his own regime, to crack down on Sunni Radicals who threatened it. We decided instead to support the Sunni Radicals hoping we could use them to install a Western-friendly regime, and now they are fighting that new regime in Libya.

SYRIA
There was no sectarian violence for decades in Syria, until Saudi Arabia funded Sunni Radicals there to overthrow the Alawite house of Assad, and impose Wahabi Islam on the 40% of the population that isn't Sunni (and a good percentage beyond that who is Sunni but not Wahabi). Saudi Arabia even gave the rebels some Mustard Gas in an attempt to frame Assad and get the US to intervene - they use us, we use them.

FORMER YUGOSLAVIA
Bosnian and Albanians often killed and ethnically cleansed non-Muslims; they were helped via the "Golden Chain" - a network of Saudi Princes, VIPs, and Businessmen - even directors of ARAMCO. We aided and abetted Croatian and Bosnian and Albanian terrorism, while bombing only the Serbians - even though all parties were guilty (and, if anybody set off the ethnic cleansing, it was the Croatians who began it by forcibly evicting hundreds of Serbs).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Chain

Interestingly, the performance of the USAF against 1950s and early 60s Soviet Equipment in Serbia was not exactly stellar - something to keep in mind when thinking about how all the high tech stuff will actually perform against a trained army with reasonable moral, much less a military than has modern equipment like China. Not 4th World stateless forces or 3rd World countries where the military is hamstrung by paranoid dictators.

Iraq
There were no Sunni Radicals to speak of in Iraq, until Saddam was overthrown - then Saudi fighters and money crossed into Iraq. Now, they are so plentiful they are routing the Iraqi Army and control whole provinces. And while we fight ISIS in Iraq, we support a branch with the same ideology in Syria.

15 of 19 hijackers on 9/11 were Saudi. None were Iraqi. None were Libyan. None were Syrian. None, of course, were Iranian.

Iranians are as likely to help Al Qaeda as the Ulster Defence Force would be likely to join the Society of Pious X, or members of the KKK are likely to join up with the Black Panthers.

And the Wahabis turn on us, because they are using us at the same time we think we are using them.

"Blowback".

14   Strategist   2014 Jun 14, 1:50pm  

thomaswong.1986 says

Strategist says

This myth that has been going around scares me more then Al Qaeda fanatics.

Every country has a problem with Isalmic radicals from day one, even before America was discovered. How can it be our foreign policy?

You might even try to explain to Robert how US Ships in the late 1700s trading in the Med were intercepted by Muslim pirates and enslaved US citizens. Every nation had problems with Muslims nations for the past 1000 years.

I'm gonna need help explaining that. A lot of people are under that impression.
What really surprises me is a lot of atheists and liberals who never fail to attack Christians, but will never say anything against Islam, a horrible religion. I just don't get it.

15   MisdemeanorRebel   2014 Jun 14, 1:52pm  

thomaswong.1986 says

Mossadegh was an extremely unstable person and leader. He was clearly losing control of the country and the Communist Party, which backed him, was gaining power steadily. A close examination of the documents shows that whether it was correct or not, U.S. fear of a Communist takeover of Iran was based on serious evidence. This was the midst of the Cold War and the U.S.S.R. was Iran’s northern neighbor. The Soviets occupied northern Iran from 1941 to 1946 to secure the country’s oil during World War II, set up puppet regimes inside the country and only withdrew under intensive U.S. pressure.

This implies that Mossadegh was a Communist and that his primary supporters were Communist, which is nonsense. Mossadegh neither trusted nor liked the communists. His centrist National Front of Iran contained the Iran Party, his own, a Center-Right party, a Center-Left Party, and an Islamic Party whose Ayatollah Head was arrested and expelled from Iran by British and Soviet agents in WW2 for being a nationalist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Front_of_Iran

To imply that Mossadegh was backed by the Communist party is no different than saying David Cameron heads the UK Parliament backed by Liberal Democrats who were (in the previous election) growing in power. It's true, but a gross distortion.

Part of Roosevelt's Black Propaganda against Mossadegh was to print leaflets telling the rural Clerics that he was an atheist communist who was going to invite the Soviets into Iran, while at the same time telling the Tudeh Party that he intended to sell the country out to the British.

16   Strategist   2014 Jun 14, 1:53pm  

Call it Crazy says

Strategist says

Even though there are no WMD. Why?

Hmmm... Because there's oil there???

Nah, then we would never have left Kuwait or Iraq. If it was oil we were after we could have attacked Venezuela a long time ago.

17   MisdemeanorRebel   2014 Jun 14, 1:53pm  

thomaswong.1986 says

where under the Shah there was lots of freedom.

BWAhAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!

SAVAK tortured and executed people for demanding democracy - without a trial. He banned all political groups, and ruled with an iron fist.

Lots of freedom under Pinochet, too, right? I mean, you could say anything on a college campus in Santiago and get away with it!

18   Strategist   2014 Jun 14, 1:57pm  

thunderlips11 says

thomaswong.1986 says

where under the Shah there was lots of freedom.

BWAhAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA!

Lots of freedom under Pinochet, too, right? I mean, you could say anything on a college campus in Santiago and get away with it!

The Shah of Iran abused human rights, true. The Ayatollah made him look like a saint.

19   MisdemeanorRebel   2014 Jun 14, 2:09pm  

Strategist says

The Shah of Iran abused human rights, true. The Ayatollah made him look like a saint.

He did more than abuse human rights. He assassinated people,

He banned *ALL* political parties. He was an absolute monarch that used a police state to kill and torture his enemies. His SAVAK burned people in ovens, hung people upside down. Kidnapped students and beat them to death.

Islamic Iran is a very flawed theocratic-democracy - but you do get a choice between a Billy Graham and a Pat Robertson, and there is something of a difference.

With the Shah, you got no choice, there were no elections and all parties were banned. The Shah's absolutist tendencies backed by secret police caused the overthrow of his regime - you couldn't reform it, only destroy it. In the Chaos, the Ayatollahs prevailed.

BTW, many members of SAVAK joined the Revolutionary Guard's intelligence services. Some of the more creative secret killings by the Ayatollahs were taught to them by those who first practiced on the enemies of the Shah.

http://www.newsweek.com/watching-torture-94887

21   MisdemeanorRebel   2014 Jun 14, 2:43pm  

Yup. Pretty bad. Punished for dancing on a rooftop.

Check this out... freedom in Saudi Arabia.

7 Years in Prison and 600 lashes for running a website that "violates Islamic values and propagates liberal thought". Participants on his site questioned some of the extreme views of the official Wahabi religion. Saudi Arabia has also forcibly divorced him from his wife at the request of her family. He will also face charges of apostasy, for which the punishment is beheading.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raif_Badawi

Saudi Arabia executes a 'Witch' for practising "Sorcery"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/12/saudi-arabia-woman-sorcery-executed_n_1142942.html

A man convicted of being a "Sorcerer", publicly beheaded in a Car Park by the Saudi Religious Police
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055636/Sudanese-man-beheaded-Saudi-Arabia-car-park-sorcerer.html

More
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/19/saudi-arabia-man-witchcraft-sorcery-executed_n_1609927.html

Good news though - Saudi Arabia just allowed women to ride bikes in designated areas, but only if a male relative is present.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/saudi-arabia-ban-women-cycling-bike-motorbike-452664

Still can't drive cars. Saudi Arabia issues a warning to potential female protesters who intend to drive in violation of the Wahabi law and the dictates of the Religious Police.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/24/world/meast/saudi-arabia-women-drivers/index.html

Iranian women are professional race car drivers.
http://www.bodazey.com/Laleh_Seddigh.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laleh_Seddigh

When are the US sanctions against Saudi Arabia for human rights violations going to start?

Let's stop pretending our sanctions on Iran have anything to do with human rights, when we have gone to war on Saudi Arabia's behalf, worked with them exporting Wahabi Revolutionaries, and have done absolutely nothing to stop the barbarity in Saudi Arabia.

If we have sanctions on Iran, we should be bombing Riyadh.

22   bob2356   2014 Jun 15, 12:40am  

Strategist says

The Shah of Iran abused human rights, true. The Ayatollah made him look like a saint.

Bullshit. The shah of Iran was a nasty slug, worse than Hussein. Under the Islamic republic at least some form of law is being followed. Harsh law, but harsh law for everyone. Not harsh law for anyone who disagreed with the shah and massive unpunished corruption for shah supporters.. Ever wonder why so many iranians supported the Ayatollah over the sha's regime?

thunderlips11 says

If we have sanctions on Iran, we should be bombing Riyadh.

Please don't confuse all the people that believe 9/11 was Iraq.

23   mell   2014 Jun 15, 12:51am  

Strategist says

Who the FUCK do the Saudis think they are? All politicians in all countries need to do this. What will they do then?

http://www.faithfreedom.org/netherlands-geert-wilders-has-incurred-the-wrath-of-saudi-arabia/

Yeah, but people like Wilders (who needs body guards pretty much 24/7) are being attacked incessantly mostly by what's called today's "left" and "progressives", and mainstream politicians who are fearing to lose their seats, using the universally effective racism card. Political correctness is the biggest scourge of the 21st century.

24   Tenpoundbass   2014 Jun 15, 12:59am  

This is all on Track, and is exactly what the CNN and FOX news War pundits were saying would happen back when we bombing the shit out of Iraq. That in ten years or so, or after we left, the region would descend back into chaos.

25   Strategist   2014 Jun 15, 6:24am  

mell says

Strategist says

Who the FUCK do the Saudis think they are? All politicians in all countries need to do this. What will they do then?

http://www.faithfreedom.org/netherlands-geert-wilders-has-incurred-the-wrath-of-saudi-arabia/

Yeah, but people like Wilders (who needs body guards pretty much 24/7) are being attacked incessantly mostly by what's called today's "left" and "progressives", and mainstream politicians who are fearing to lose their seats, using the universally effective racism card. Political correctness is the biggest scourge of the 21st century.

Political correctness is the greatest weapon the fanatics have to use against us. It could also lead to our demise one day.

27   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 15, 7:21am  

thunderlips11 says

But we funded them or otherwise empowered them.

You mean we bought gas from them... all the crying the Libs do over

the killings, they do little to get off the oil from the middle east.

We have a choice.. pump our own oil from our region or pay the shieks.

We all know the Libs would rather keep paying the Shieks of Opec then

get this nation to be self dependent.

So who pays/funds who ?

28   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 15, 7:25am  

Strategist says

The Shah of Iran abused human rights, true. The Ayatollah made him look like a saint.

Very true.. and often overlooked... at least a women would walk down Tehran sq in a mini-skirt during the Shah years.. but today.. she would get killed over it.

so much for western progress in the Iran...

29   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 15, 7:28am  

thunderlips11 says

AFGHANISTAN

The anti-Soviet fighters were largely Pashtu Sunni Fundamentalists. Saudi Arabia and the US gave money and weapons (including Stingers) to Pakistan's Security Service, who distributed it to their ethnic and religious kin.

Later, they became the Taliban. We gave them foreign aid for years after the Soviets left and the Cold War ended.

Do you know of anyone else any other group that existed from end of WW2 to 1980s invasion. The reason the Soviets invaded Afganistan is to assist their puppet govt which couldnt stop the anti govt forces..

so no we didnt create these people.. they were already fighting the Pro Soviet puppet govt in Kabul long long before we provided assistance.

So why did the Soviets invade Afganistan anyway... there is your answer.

30   HydroCabron   2014 Jun 15, 7:33am  

thomaswong.1986 says

at least a women would walk down Tehran sq in a mini-skirt during the Shah years.. but today.. she would get killed over it.

You do know that women in Iraq are way worse off since Saddam was overthrown, right?

31   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 15, 7:38am  

bob2356 says

Bullshit. The shah of Iran was a nasty slug, worse than Hussein. Under the Islamic republic at least some form of law is being followed. Harsh law, but harsh law for everyone. Not harsh law for anyone who disagreed with the shah and massive unpunished corruption for shah supporters.. Ever wonder why so many iranians supported the Ayatollah over the sha's regime?

Harsh ? ... The shah had to deal with Marxist Terrorists attacking it cities during the 60s and 70s. They were backed by the Soviets like so many
global Marxists during that time.... national liberation. This same organization killed scores of people including Americans.

Frankly like so many Marxist Terrorist organizations ... they all deserve to be shot and be done with them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leftist_guerrilla_groups_of_Iran

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Mujahedin_of_Iran

The People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran was founded in September 5, 1965 by six former members of the Liberation or Freedom Movement of Iran, students at Tehran University, including Mohammad Hanifnejad, Saied Mohsen and Ali-Asghar Badizadegan. The MEK opposed the rule of Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, considering him corrupt and oppressive, and considered the Liberation Movement too moderate and ineffective.[25] They were committed to the Ali Shariati's approach to Shiism.[26] However although the MEK are often regarded as devotees of Ali Shariati, in fact their pronouncements preceded Shariati's, and they continued to echo each other throughout the late 1960s and early 1970s.[27]

In its first five years, the group primarily engaged in ideological work.[28] Their thinking aligned with what was a common tendency in Iran at the time – a kind of radical, political Islam based on a Marxist reading of history and politics. The group's main source of inspiration was the Islamic text Nahj al-Balagha (a collection of analyses and aphorisms attributed to Imam Ali). Despite some describing a Marxist influence, the group never used the terms "socialist" or "communist" to describe themselves,[29] and always called themselves Muslims – arguing along with Ali Shariati, that a true Muslim – especially a true Shia Muslim, that is to say a devoted follower of the Imams Ali and Hossein – must also by definition, be a revolutionary.[27] However, they generously adopted elements of Marxism in order to update and modernize their interpretation of radical Islam

32   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 15, 7:42am  

HuggyBumbers McLovkins says

thomaswong.1986 says

at least a women would walk down Tehran sq in a mini-skirt during the Shah years.. but today.. she would get killed over it.

You do know that women in Iraq are way worse off since Saddam was overthrown, right?

The whole region as they say... is not women friendly. The close it came

to freedom was under the Shah.. I knew of some Iranians back in the day

often spoke about going out and meeting girls at local discos.. Yep..

Western style Disco night clubs in Iran back in the 70s..

yep.. try to find that out there these days.

33   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 15, 7:45am  

thunderlips11 says

7 Years in Prison and 600 lashes for running a website that "violates Islamic values and propagates liberal thought". Participants on his site questioned some of the extreme views of the official Wahabi religion. Saudi Arabia has also forcibly divorced him from his wife at the request of her family. He will also face charges of apostasy, for which the punishment is beheading.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raif_Badawi

So what... what are you complaining about...deal with it when

you buy your next gallon of Opec Oil...

Whip came from Petro dollars from gas consumers like you...

do you keep paying for this ? or become self sufficient in oil ?

34   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 15, 7:46am  

thunderlips11 says

Let's stop pretending our sanctions on Iran have anything to do with human rights, when we have gone to war on Saudi Arabia's behalf, worked with them exporting Wahabi Revolutionaries, and have done absolutely nothing to stop the barbarity in Saudi Arabia.

If we have sanctions on Iran, we should be bombing Riyadh.

Go to war over oil.. you sure dont hear lots of Liberals calling for that ....

35   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 15, 7:51am  

thunderlips11 says

He banned *ALL* political parties. He was an absolute monarch that used a police state to kill and torture his enemies. His SAVAK burned people in ovens, hung people upside down. Kidnapped students and beat them to death.

too bad but they were Soviet backed Communist operating out of Iraq... sounds like what should happen to Marxist Terrorists... they allied them self with the PLO and committed countless acts of terrorism be it Western or other Arab nations (Jordon in 1970).

36   mell   2014 Jun 15, 7:54am  

Strategist says

Political correctness is the greatest weapon the fanatics have to use against us. It could also lead to our demise one day.

Yes, but I think we are likely drawing different conclusions. Moral is not a priori or axiomatic. We should protect our turf and strongly assert our values that we deem useful for our prosperity, but we should not assume moral superiority and "spread" our values like a contagious disease. Sometimes cultures simply don't mix (this is always a temporal phenomenon that comes and goes). There's enough work to do and money to spend at home.

37   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 15, 7:57am  

thunderlips11 says

LIBYA

Ghaddafi gave up terror, paid out to victims, and started, in fear for his own regime, to crack down on Sunni Radicals who threatened it. We decided instead to support the Sunni Radicals hoping we could use them to install a Western-friendly regime, and now they are fighting that new regime in Libya.

Since the 60s as a Soviet puppet state he has continued to fund Terrorist groups... eventually the Irish IRA or German and and Italian terrorist groups they all gave up.

Ghaddafi however NEVER gave up backing terrorist groups like Hamas or what was left of the PLO.

Finally he panicked and gave up his Nuclear program in 2003 thinking he was next.. so what made him think that if he gave up on backing terrorist groups...

why are you being a apologist for these Terror Backed States ?

38   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 15, 7:59am  

thunderlips11 says

SYRIA

There was no sectarian violence for decades in Syria, until Saudi Arabia funded Sunni Radicals there to overthrow the Alawite house of Assad,

Third link in Soviet Backed Client states in the Region... eventually they too will all fall... it hardly needed any external help.

39   lostand confused   2014 Jun 15, 8:09am  

China is doing the right thing in the middle east and Africa. They align themselves with however is in power and do not care about what is going on inside the country. We care about oil-instead of spending so much blood and treasure to prop up one dictator over the other-best be neutral, let them work out who is the alpha beast and work with them.

Iran would be very glad to sell us oil, but we refuse. The world is too large and complex for our broke ass nation to control. Back in the day, when we tried to control-it was brutal and honest. Now it is endless blood and money and the beneficiaries are companies like Halliburton.

40   thomaswong.1986   2014 Jun 15, 8:19am  

lostand confused says

China is doing the right thing in the middle east and Africa.

doing pay offs and supporting corruption... not the "right thing" anywhere.

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