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1   Strategist   2014 Sep 15, 3:48am  

Los Angeles (CNN) -- "Django Unchained" actress Daniele Watts defended her refusal to show her ID to Los Angeles police before they handcuffed her last week.
The African-American actress and her white boyfriend accused police of racism for questioning them in what they said was only a public display of affection.
"I believe in America and what it stands for," Watts said Monday in an interview on CNN's "New Day."
Police responded to a citizen complaint that "a male white and female black were involved in a sexual act inside a Mercedes" outside the gate of CBS Studio Center on Thursday, according to a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles Police Department.
Legal experts said the officer had the right to request identification if he suspected illegal behavior, but audio of part of the encounter with police, published by TMZ, revealed that Watts did not believe so.
"Somebody called, which gives me the right to be here," the unidentified Los Angeles police officer is heard saying to Watts. "So It gives me the right to identify you by law."
"Do you know how many times the cops have been called just for being black?" she responded.
"Who brought up the race card?" the officer said.
"I'm bringing it up because I have every right to be here," Watts said.
When the officer again asked for her ID, the actress responded, "You can take me down to the court office, and I can make a scene about it. And you know what? I have a publicist, and I work as an actor in this studio."

2   HydroCabron   2014 Sep 15, 4:00am  

Why won't blacks respect police authority?

The Constitution says you have to show him your ID!

3   HydroCabron   2014 Sep 15, 4:18am  

sbh says

When Clive Bundy was deprived of his rights he sure stepped up and showed those jack-booted thugs how a gentleman comports himself.

Constitutional rights are for landowners only. And "landowner" includes illegal use of someone else's land.

This women needs to get a clue, and get some cattle.

4   Tenpoundbass   2014 Sep 15, 4:22am  

Her quick thinking saved her life, he was waiting for back up, to mow her down in a hail of bullets. But when she told him that She had a publicist, he had call them back and call it off.

5   Bigsby   2014 Sep 15, 4:38am  

Strategist says

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/15/showbiz/django-unchained-actress-detained/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

What a stupid bimbo, stirring up trouble over nothing.

You have to show your ID to the police in the US now when you kiss your husband/partner? Good to know.

6   Vicente   2014 Sep 15, 4:45am  

Bigsby says

You have to show your ID to the police in the US now when you kiss your husband? Good to know.

She is quoted as saying "making out". And the 911 call alleges this was taking place in a car. I can see how a caller COULD interpret making out in a car as a prostitute at work. PERSONALLY this is not something I would be likely to phone the police about, but we have laws against prostitution because of busybodies who will.

7   Bigsby   2014 Sep 15, 4:50am  

Vicente says

Bigsby says

You have to show your ID to the police in the US now when you kiss your husband? Good to know.

She is quoted as saying "making out". And the 911 call alleges this was taking place in a car. I can see how a caller COULD interpret making out in a car as a prostitute at work. PERSONALLY this is not something I would be likely to phone the police about, but we have laws against prostitution because of busybodies who will.

Making out is kissing. She also said she was fully clothed and it was during the day right outside CBS apparently. Naturally that requires 4 cops to turn up and put a stop to such goings on.

8   Strategist   2014 Sep 15, 5:04am  

The cop in the video clearly says all he wanted was to see her id. The cop had the authority to demand an id, and she had obligation to show it. If she had just used common sense and showed the id all this would not have happened in the first place. She wasted the cops time, thus wasting the tax payers money, and made a fool of herself.
I would fine this bimbo just for being stupid.

9   Bigsby   2014 Sep 15, 5:09am  

Strategist says

The cop in the video clearly says all he wanted was to see her id. The cop had the authority to demand an id, and she had obligation to show it. If she had just used common sense and showed the id all this would not have happened in the first place. She wasted the cops time, thus wasting the tax payers money, and made a fool of herself.

I would fine this bimbo just for being stupid.

Why do they need to see her ID? Why do they need to cuff her? Why does it take four cops? It seems to have been very heavy handed. Would it have been that way if it had been two white people making out? Would the busy body have phoned the police in the first place?

10   Strategist   2014 Sep 15, 5:22am  

Bigsby says

Strategist says

The cop in the video clearly says all he wanted was to see her id. The cop had the authority to demand an id, and she had obligation to show it. If she had just used common sense and showed the id all this would not have happened in the first place. She wasted the cops time, thus wasting the tax payers money, and made a fool of herself.

I would fine this bimbo just for being stupid.

Why do they need to see her ID? Why do they need to cuff her? Why does it take four cops? It seems to have been very heavy handed. Would it have been that way if it had been two white people making out? Would the busy body have phoned the police in the first place?

The cop clearly explains why he needed her id. They received a complaint and that obliges them to check it out. It's protocol.
They cuffed her because she refused to cooperate with the officer.
She was with her boyfriend, they could have something to hide, and having more cops on the scene must be protocol too.
Who knows what motivated the busy body. It's irrelevant why he called.
I don't understand why so many people want to challenge cops and make things difficult for everyone. How hard can it be?

11   Rin   2014 Sep 15, 5:36am  

Strategist says

sexual act inside a Mercedes" outside the gate of CBS Studio Center on Thursday, according to a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles Police Department

Don't these ppl earn more money than me?

Whatever happened to the limousine with tinted windows, a driver up front, and a barricade so that the passenger section can have some privacy, and a stocked mini-bar?

12   lakermania   2014 Sep 15, 8:16am  

Bigsby says

Strategist says

The cop in the video clearly says all he wanted was to see her id. The cop had the authority to demand an id, and she had obligation to show it. If she had just used common sense and showed the id all this would not have happened in the first place. She wasted the cops time, thus wasting the tax payers money, and made a fool of herself.

I would fine this bimbo just for being stupid.

Why do they need to see her ID? Why do they need to cuff her? Why does it take four cops? It seems to have been very heavy handed. Would it have been that way if it had been two white people making out? Would the busy body have phoned the police in the first place?

13   lakermania   2014 Sep 15, 8:22am  

Bigsby says

Vicente says

Bigsby says

You have to show your ID to the police in the US now when you kiss your husband? Good to know.

She is quoted as saying "making out". And the 911 call alleges this was taking place in a car. I can see how a caller COULD interpret making out in a car as a prostitute at work. PERSONALLY this is not something I would be likely to phone the police about, but we have laws against prostitution because of busybodies who will.

Making out is kissing. She also said she was fully clothed and it was during the day right outside CBS apparently. Naturally that requires 4 cops to turn up and put a stop to such goings on.

The cop who initially responded to the call is on KFI right now. He said an entire office building was watching their "show" in the car. And there was some tissues on the asphalt full of semen laying next to the car that she had used to clean herself with, so there might have been a little more than "making out" going on.

14   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2014 Sep 15, 9:18am  

HydroCabron says

Why won't blacks respect police authority?

The Constitution says you have to show him your ID!

This is beyond imbecile level.

The only ones that won't show ID to a cop are criminals and morons(like the lady in the article).

15   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2014 Sep 15, 9:22am  

Name all the people in this thread that hate facts taken in context.

16   Strategist   2014 Sep 15, 9:59am  

HydroCabron says

Why won't blacks respect police authority?

The Constitution says you have to show him your ID!

Blacks do feel they are being singled out just for being Black. This is also a fact in many instances, but not all instances. Why make it worse by pointlessly arguing? Just show the fucking ID.

17   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2014 Sep 15, 10:06am  

Strategist says

HydroCabron says

Why won't blacks respect police authority?

The Constitution says you have to show him your ID!

Blacks do feel they are being singled out just for being Black. This is also a fact in many instances, but not all instances. Why make it worse by pointlessly arguing? Just show the fucking ID.

This is a red herring used by people committing crimes to create a "smokescreen" to cover up what they are actually doing

A miniscule number of law abidding individuals of ANY race actually refuse to show their ID when a cop asks for it.

Even if they did, there's much more sense in asking "what happens if I won't show it to you" rather than "die pig fuck die! The constitution says I don't have to give you my ID".

18   Strategist   2014 Sep 15, 10:12am  

dodgerfanjohn says

Strategist says

HydroCabron says

Why won't blacks respect police authority?

The Constitution says you have to show him your ID!

Blacks do feel they are being singled out just for being Black. This is also a fact in many instances, but not all instances. Why make it worse by pointlessly arguing? Just show the fucking ID.

This is a red herring used by people committing crimes to create a "smokescreen" to cover up what they are actually doing

A miniscule number of law abidding individuals of ANY race actually refuse to show their ID when a cop asks for it.

Even if they did, there's much more sense in asking "what happens if I won't show it to you" rather than "die pig fuck die! The constitution says I don't have to give you my ID".

Is it an anger issue, need to rebel, or just old fashioned stupidity?
Those remarks could lead to an escalation, ending in you getting thrown into the slammer, and another statistic for Blacks in prison. Just do as your'e told and if you have an issue send a letter. If you have a serious issue see an attorney.

19   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2014 Sep 15, 10:43am  

Old fashioned stupidity.

21   Robert Sproul   2014 Sep 15, 1:18pm  

Citizens in California are not required to carry, or present to police, "ID" or Travel Permissions or other "papers please" documents to random costumed authority figures. You don't have to chat with them or answer their questions.

If the cop has articulable reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime (in this case "making out") to detain you, you do have to provide him, verbally, with your full name and address.
This chick didn't feel like cow-towing to LAPD, but she should have know her rights in finer detail.

22   HydroCabron   2014 Sep 15, 1:24pm  

Call it Crazy says

I think in this instance, it was her "elitist" attitude where she feels above the law enforcement because she is an actress.... Don't they know who she is?

She put on airs, indicating that she thinks she's better'n me.

We can't all be down-to-earth, like humble Cliven Bundy.

23   justme   2014 Sep 15, 1:48pm  

HydroCarbon,

I can't tell whether people disliked some of your posts because they did get the parody or because they didn't.

ApoF*ck is easier, people have figured him out by now.

24   Dan8267   2014 Sep 15, 5:21pm  

Strategist says

This was made for Dan.

1. There is no legal requirement in the United States to even carry ID. You are thinking of Nazi Germany -- show me your papers -- not the United States.

2. California is not a "stop-and-identify" state.

3. Regardless of your state's law, keep in mind that police can never compel you to identify yourself without reasonable suspicion to believe you're involved in illegal activity. And a phone call by an anonymous citizen is not reasonable suspicion by any sane standard.

If they had attempted to do so, they know they would lose the subsequent lawsuit for false arrest and false prosecution.

4. If she had committed a crime by not giving her ID, the officer would have arrested her and the DA would be pressing charges. The fact that neither of this happens demonstrates that even the state is acknowledging that she committed no crime.

5. This clearly was a power trip for the cop. You can be as much against the politics of the woman, but that doesn't change the fact that the cop had no suspicion that she was a prostitute a mere minute into the conversation. A prostitute would immediately show her ID to appear "lawful". So the only reason the cop didn't back down after realizing that this woman clearly isn't a prostitute is he was playing a power game. That alone should get his ass kicked off the force for ethics violations.

6. Producing an ID would in no way, shape, or form indicate whether a person is a prostitute or not. Any past behavior is not evidence of current behavior. Thus identification serves no purpose but to allow for fishing expeditions. If such fishing expeditions were legal, we'd all be require to carry ID at all times.

Of course this whole situation could have been avoided if she was practicing her open carry rights, preferably with an AK-47 (legal in CA with small clips). Then the cop would feel far less need to stroke his ego with a power trip.

Personally, I'm all for power symmetry. I have no problem with people being required to identify themselves if the police have to give up as much information about themselves as they get. For example, they get your SS # and you get theirs. They get your home address and you get theirs. They get your driver's license and you get theirs. Keep the information exchange even and they'll be far fewer problems as the police won't want to exchange personal data.

I want an app that displays holographic IDs of mine and whatever cop asks me for ID. There's nothing like information equality to keep everybody honest and lawful.

25   Rin   2014 Sep 15, 11:58pm  

Dan8267 says

You can be as much against the politics of the woman, but that doesn't change the fact that the cop had no suspicion that she was a prostitute a mere minute into the conversation

Aside from the cop politics, regarding the above issue ...

A lot of ppl on this forum should visit Australia. The cities there: Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane, etc, look a lot of like our SF, Boston, Minneapolis, etc. Thus, it's a close facsimile to our American cityscape.

Here's the difference ... prostitution is legal. Men and women can legally engage in their own adult activities w/o police oversight. In fact, the only time I saw heavy security, was on the Sydney subway but late at night, past 8PM, for the safety of the passengers.

And then, don't give me the horseshit about random crime. That can happen anywhere. Sure, Sydney's got its slums, like Redfern, however, I'd been around that area and in comparison to the South Bronx, North Philadelphia, west side of DC, or even Boston's Roxbury, etc, it's not even close.

26   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2014 Sep 16, 12:03am  

That's all fine Dan except that you don't have the actual set of facts.

What actually happened was after receiving the radio call and observing conduct reasonably similar to what was described in the radio call, the cop approached the car and told both individuals involved why he had come out to the location and asked for both to show ID, which he is not only legally entitled to do, but it's also mandatory as part of his job(department policy and standard police procedure). At that point the male handed over his ID and said he also had her passport. While the male was looking for the passport, the female started walking away.

The cop was not inclined to chase her over a minor matter so he radio'ed another car that was on its way, said that the female was walking away and asked for the other car to stop her and bring her back. At that point the male said that he made a mistake and did not have her passport. The other car handcuffed her and brought her back to the original scene.

And it's all recorded. Of course that doesn't make a good news story(except when the cop not involved in her handcuffing relays the story on John and Ken).

27   lostand confused   2014 Sep 16, 12:12am  

So public servants with 100k salaries and lifetime pensions-who get to retire at 50- have nothing better to do than chase after a husband and wife in a mercedes. Damn-I need me one of these jobs.

28   HydroCabron   2014 Sep 16, 12:36am  

justme says

HydroCarbon,

I can't tell whether people disliked some of your posts because they did get the parody or because they didn't.

ApoF*ck is easier, people have figured him out by now.

APOCALYPSEFUCK IS SATIRICAL??

29   Ceffer   2014 Sep 16, 1:05am  

From what I can see, a lot of girls and women are TRYING to be mistaken for a prostitute.

Just don't know what they want, after all.

30   lakermania   2014 Sep 16, 1:09am  

The cop's recorded audio of the incident is hilarious, the white boyfriend seems almost embarrassed of his gf's actions when talking to the cop. He also showed considerable patience letting her walk away and calling for a female officer to pick her up.

The funniest part, is how she acts like an over privileged brat threatening the cop with her publicist, and talking and pouting on her phone with her father. "But daddy he's being very mean". Handing the phone to the cop, "My daddy wants to talk to you"(cop declines to take the phone). And "BUT DADDY! HE REFUSES TO TALK TO YOU!" lmfao

31   elliemae   2014 Sep 16, 1:42am  

HydroCabron says

APOCALYPSEFUCK IS SATIRICAL??

I'm butt-hurt over this one. I believe everything I read on the interwebs, which is a series of tubes (they can't tell lies on the interwebs - ask my French boyfriend!).

I've quoted AF many times, which resulted in my being asked to leave from many a fine establishment. If he's satirical, my life has been turned upside-down and I've got nuthin' to live for.

Oh - the black chick who was kissing her boyfriend/husband/significant other in the middle of the daytime in a nice car outside of a business? She could have de-escalated the situation by identifying herself, but this went wayyyyy too far. Once the dude said she was his girlfriend and they realized that she wasn't a whore, they should have stood down.

LA cops got better things to do than to harass people for kissing. They're fucking idiots.

32   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2014 Sep 16, 2:41am  

lakermania says

The cop's recorded audio of the incident is hilarious, the white boyfriend seems almost embarrassed of his gf's actions when talking to the cop. He also showed considerable patience letting her walk away and calling for a female officer to pick her up.

The funniest part, is how she acts like an over privileged brat threatening the cop with her publicist, and talking and pouting on her phone with her father. "But daddy he's being very mean". Handing the phone to the cop, "My daddy wants to talk to you"(cop declines to take the phone). And "BUT DADDY! HE REFUSES TO TALK TO YOU!" lmfao

ZOMG do not interject with FACTS, presented in context no less!

33   Blurtman   2014 Sep 16, 3:47am  

Actually, the way the story was written, the cop sounded pretty cool and she sounded like an asshole.

34   Strategist   2014 Sep 16, 4:22am  

Dan8267 says

3. Regardless of your state's law, keep in mind that police can never compel you to identify yourself without reasonable suspicion to believe you're involved in illegal activity. And a phone call by an anonymous citizen is not reasonable suspicion by any sane standard.

The possibility of a crime taking place was very reasonable. Her white boyfriend, the celebrity chef who was cooking her up had no problem showing an ID.

Dan8267 says

6. Producing an ID would in no way, shape, or form indicate whether a person is a prostitute or not.

Stop making excuses. Just show the damn ID.

Dan8267 says

Personally, I'm all for power symmetry. I have no problem with people being required to identify themselves if the police have to give up as much information about themselves as they get. For example, they get your SS # and you get theirs. They get your home address and you get theirs. They get your driver's license and you get theirs. Keep the information exchange even and they'll be far fewer problems as the police won't want to exchange personal data.

Stop dreaming. You may want every cop and their families to be easy targets of criminals. We don't.

That bimbo should be arrested as she tried to walk away and never showed her ID. Her boyfriend, who has more sense than her gave the cop her ID and diffused the situation. Look at her wail like a little brat....Wwaaaaa, the mean man asked for my ID, wwaaaaaaa, daddy.

35   bob2356   2014 Sep 16, 4:25am  

Blurtman says

Actually, the way the story was written, the cop sounded pretty cool and she sounded like an asshole.

An asshole egomaniac actress. Who would believe that?

36   Dan8267   2014 Sep 16, 5:07am  

Strategist says

The possibility of a crime taking place was very reasonable.

A racist calls in saying he sees a black woman with a white man, therefore the black woman must be a prostitute. And that's your criteria for "reasonable suspicion"? If that's the standard then the law should be changed so that cops can't act on reasonable suspicion.

And you have to be a complete idiot to believe that cop had ANY doubt that this woman wasn't a prostitute after talking to her for a minute. Even the cop with the least detective skills would have figured out that she's not a prostitute when she got upset over her civil rights being abused. Cops know how to read people, and this cop didn't want to see her ID because it would tell her whether or not she is committing prostitution. This cop wanted her ID precisely because she refused to give it. It was a power trip and nothing more. The law is not about stroking the egos of cops.

Strategist says

Stop dreaming. You may want every cop and their families to be easy targets of criminals. We don't.

Asymmetry of power has been the cause of every evil in this world including slavery, torture, and every genocide. What you don't want is accountability in the police.

Furthermore, prostitution should not be a crime. It is a violation of the First Amendment, freedom of religion, to make it a crime. Also, there is no legal justification for the state to even have the power to make any kind of consensual sex illegal.

The solution to the problems presented in this thread is to simply declare all anti-prostitution laws Unconstitutional and void. Then there would be no pretext for a stop-and-question.

The same goes for all anti-drug laws.

Finally, the broken window theory says that we don't tolerate small crimes so that big ones won't occur. This theory applies to cops as much as it does to the rest of us.

37   Dan8267   2014 Sep 16, 5:12am  

Blurtman says

Actually, the way the story was written, the cop sounded pretty cool and she sounded like an asshole.

Irrelevant. It's not illegal to be an asshole. If it were, half the people on Patrick.net would be behind bars.

38   Blurtman   2014 Sep 16, 5:25am  

The story reports that the cop received a call about possible illegal activity. I am not a lawyer, but it sounds like he has the law behind him.

39   Strategist   2014 Sep 16, 5:32am  

Dan8267 says

And you have to be a complete idiot to believe that cop had ANY doubt that this woman wasn't a prostitute after talking to her for a minute. Even the cop with the least detective skills would have figured out that she's not a prostitute when she got upset over her civil rights being abused. Cops know how to read people, and this cop didn't want to see her ID because it would tell her whether or not she is committing prostitution. This cop wanted her ID precisely because she refused to give it. It was a power trip and nothing more. The law is not about stroking the egos of cops.

Rubbish. The cop asked her boyfriend for the ID too. He treated them both equally, but only she had a problem complying. As per the article, legal experts have concluded the cop did the right thing.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

Stop dreaming. You may want every cop and their families to be easy targets of criminals. We don't.

Asymmetry of power has been the cause of every evil in this world including slavery, torture, and every genocide. What you don't want is accountability in the police.

Your proposals would result in no cops leading to criminals in control of society. That is asymmetry.

Dan8267 says

Furthermore, prostitution should not be a crime.

Different debate.

40   Dan8267   2014 Sep 16, 6:31am  

Strategist says

Rubbish. The cop asked her boyfriend for the ID too. He treated them both equally, but only she had a problem complying.

What you are saying is irrelevant to what I am saying.

The cop did not have any suspicion that she was a prostitute. This is obvious from his behavior in the video. He was going on a power trip and that is NOT the intent of the law.

Strategist says

As per the article, legal experts have concluded the cop did the right thing.

Appeal to authority means nothing. Any ethical court would conclude that the police had no authority to place this woman under arrest, which he did when he handcuffed her, for not showing her ID because the law in California states that people do not have to identify themselves if there isn't a reasonable suspicion that they have committed a crime.

Anonymous hearsay is not reasonable suspicion. Nor is the desire of a cop to demonstrate his authority. Not even you are dumb enough to believe this cop really thought she was a prostitute when he arrested her.

If you want to make the argument that there should be a national law requiring people to carry ID at all times and to present them to cops at any time including random questioning, then have the balls and the honesty to make that argument. It is disingenuous to argue that in this particular case, the officer had any reasonable reason to believe that this woman might be a prostitute and that he needed her ID to somehow confirm this. That's a bold-face lie.

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