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Yep. The people with the highest rate of heart disease are in the South of India, and eat a vegetarian - almost vegan - diet.

The Scandinavians and Japanese and Greeks are the longest lived. They make up bullshit for the latter, saying it's a Med Diet. Yeah, it's the true traditional Med Diet - salted meats, both fresh and salted fish, olive oil, herbs, and bread.

All of the longest lived countries consume copious amounts of salted food, from canned mackerel to soy sauce to picked vegetables.

My wife says that vegetable oils cause inflammation of the vascular system, which can lead to scarring and plaque build up. She's got a couple
Masters degrees in nutrition and public health so I think she's right. She stopped advocating the low fat diet a number of years ago, citing that it was better to avoid vegetable oils like canola and eat foods high in omega 3 like fish and grass fed beef. Real butter, much maligned, is good for us, while margarine is pure poison. The AHA and AMA have been leading Americans into early graves from heart disease, diabetes, and cancer.

My advice, eat food high in acidity, this will cause your body to become alkaline due to the constant running of acid through it as it MUST keep a balance, but keep in mind everything in moderation.

Oh, and don't smoke, I would break that son of a bitches neck who got me started at the age of 14 if she were still alive !!

But hey, I am old and still kicking well...

Blood chemistry stays between 7.50 and 7.55 pH. If it grows more acidic, you feel short of breath because the mechanism that induces breathing is based on CO2 concentration, which is acidic. Other than holding your breath, there's very little you can (or should) do to affect your blood pH. Stomach acid is about 2.0, and needs to be for proper food digestion. This is also self regulating. Any program or device that attempts to sell you on changing your food or drink pH is just a scam.

thunderlips11 says

They make up bullshit for the latter, saying it's a Med Diet. Yeah, it's the true traditional Med Diet

My blood pressure was (hereditarily) out of control and I went on a BP/heart-disease-centric diet, doing a lot of my own research over time and talking to a nutrition doctor, since common knowledge and the media are 83% bad information concerning what is truly healthy to eat.

In order to get my daily levels of calcium, magnesium, potassium, and omega 3 (important to get omega 3 from fish instead of plants), I eventually found my daily regimen consisting of legumes, oils, fish, TONS of tomatoes, and moderate amounts of dairy and bread. It was an accidental Mediterranean diet--sorta. My triglycerides dropped dramatically despite all the gin guzzling, and BP went from 130/80 to 105/70. No medications.

You are fortunate thunderlips.
What we call "Pastured Grass Feed Beef" (10 bucks a lb. for chuck at Whole Paycheck) you just call "Beef" . At least I don't imagine CAFO grain finishing down in the "Heart of South America".
Lard from range raised pigs is another fat that is being recognized as a healthy food and is hard to source and expensive here.

Just stick to under a stick of butter in a single setting and you'll be OK.

I'm pretty sure sitting on my ass day in and day out for 90% of my waking hours, will probably be far more detrimental to my health than anything I smoke, eat or drink.

Robert Sproul says

Lard from range raised animals is another fat that is being recognized as a healthy food and is hard to source and expensive here.

Lard is Lard

I read a few years ago that Lard was healthy again. So I ran out and bought some lard and fried up some chicken and home made french fries. I was impressed with how well drained they came out. It did not seem as saturated in dripping fat, like you get with vegetable Oil and crap like that. My mom always fried in Lard when I was growing up. (She's 73 and still alive and well today, heart disease does not run in our family)
As an adult growing up and learning to cook and fend for my self during the fat wars, cooking with the Oil of the month. Food always came out more greasy and disgusting when I thought we were trying to do away with fat.
It sure seemed to me after frying the chicken and french fries that didn't need a huge fuss to drain the oil off of. What ever fat was left in there could not have been anywhere near the amounts of fat left in chicken fried in the oil of the month.

Then there's Beef tallow that's a whole other level of frying. But I don't need a study to know that stuff will clog your arteries. Beef fat dried hard, you don't want that stuff working it's way though your plumbing.

thunderlips11 says

All of the longest lived countries consume copious amounts of salted food, from canned mackerel to soy sauce to picked vegetables.

Sea salt contains iodine, an important ingredient that is not easy to get otherwise.

Quigley says

vegetable oils cause inflammation of the vascular system

Omega3 (like olive oil) reduces inflammation. Some Omega 6 may increase it.

Robert Sproul says

For many diet-conscious Americans, it is simply second nature to opt for chicken over sirloin, canola oil over butter

"...eating red meat delivers L-carnitine to bacteria that live in the human gut. These bacteria digest L-carnitine and turn it into a compound called trimethylamine-N-oxide (TMAO). In studies in mice, TMAO has been shown to cause atherosclerosis..."

But apparently the case is not closed: http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/new-study-links-l-carnitine-in-red-meat-to-heart-disease-201304176083

thunderlips11 says

Yep. The people with the highest rate of heart disease are in the South of India, and eat a vegetarian - almost vegan - diet.

The Scandinavians and Japanese and Greeks are the longest lived. They make up bullshit for the latter, saying it's a Med Diet. Yeah, it's the true traditional Med Diet - salted meats, both fresh and salted fish, olive oil, herbs, and bread.

All of the longest lived countries consume copious amounts of salted food, from canned mackerel to soy sauce to picked vegetables.

Those greeks must be doing pretty well. Meat, fresh fish and olive oil daily. Lot's of americans would like that.

CaptainShuddup says

Lard is Lard

The trouble with the manteca in the supermarket is not so much the source but the fact that they contrarily make it very unhealthy by hydrogenating it, creating unwholesome trans fats.
You can render your own or order some from:
http://www.fatworksfoods.com/index.html
Getting some foodstuffs unprocessed has become expensive and difficult.

NO I go for the stuff at Pen Dutch wrapped in wax paper in the refrigerated section.

Everyone who eats,drinks or breathes is going to die.

Stop these now! That shit will kill you.

The low-fat scam has taken it's toll on the suckers who fell for it in the past 20 years. This group is dying off in their 50's today because of consumption of dangerous processed trans-fats touted as being healthy. In less-developed countries, however, where corporate brainwashing doesn't exist, people are living longer healthier lives, mainly because they are eating real food.

carrieon says

dangerous processed trans-fats touted as being health

Also, when the industry was forced to remove healthy fats from processed foods the use of cheap subsidized HFCS soared, leading to ridiculously unhealthy sugar laden, nutrient bereft, "foods" being labeled Fat Free! and then directly to the Diabesity Epidemic.

I just kept eating bacon and butter all along.

The only substitute for fat and sugar is no fat and sugar.
Not chemicals placed in food in the fat and sugar's stead.

It's just how I am. I would rather have a real wood cheap and ugly piece of furniture than a new pressed wood fancy piece of furniture.
I've never gone with the popular consensus, the Popular is Stupid and gullible. If they are calling for Global warming, then you better buy a good Winter coat.

Dr. Esselstyn of the Cleveland clinic says keep total cholesterol below 150 and you will be "heart attack proof." Not one person out of thousands followed for over 50 years in the Framingham study, who had total cholesterol below 150 ever got heart disease. 30% of heart attacks occur in people with cholesterol levels between 150 and 200. Bill Clinton's been on Esselstyn's 10% fat diet for years after his bypasses and stents failed. It's the only diet that has been shown to reverse heart disease. I'd say cholesterol matters.

CaptainShuddup says

I've never gone with the popular consensus, the Popular is Stupid and gullible. If they are calling for Global warming, then you better buy a good Winter coat.

Right. THey're doing that because it's popular, not because the science says it's true.

I would imagine when the horseless carriage became popular you would have stuck with horses until your dying day. Same for air travel, television, rock and roll and modern plumbing especially toilets, "the outhouse was good enough for my pappy, it's good enough for me !"

Too bad toilets became so damn popular.

Is there anyone on patrick.net that's more full of it than you ?

Robert Sproul says

At least I don't imagine CAFO grain finishing down in the "Heart of South America".

While that is true in most of South America, it's not as true in Brazil

http://www.cafothebook.org/thebook_myths_6.htm

marcus says

Is there anyone on patrick.net that's more full of it than you ?

If there is they sure are being awful quiet.

Too much institutional energy and research money had already been spent trying to prove Dr. Keys's hypothesis. A bias in its favor had grown so strong that the idea just started to seem like common sense.

So much for Keynesian theory. Err, wait.