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MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Dec 24, 11:32pm
But seriously-isn't jesus the first undead???
I'm still stuck on the whole "Let this cup pass away from me" bit.
If he's part of God, can't he just take away his own burden? Can't he change things anyway he wants, being all-powerful?
If only the Father can change things, doesn't that mean there are at least two gods and now by definition it's a polytheism?
If he's god, doesn't he know he survives the crucifixion? If you know you're going to survive a painful event, isn't it more like knowing you have elective surgery or a pregnancy coming up?
indigenous
2014 Dec 25, 12:20am
If only the Father can change things, doesn't that mean there are at least two gods and now by definition it's a polytheism?
I hate to keep bringing up Thomas Aquinas to you heathens but it is Christmas...
God is fully actualized when something/someone is fully actualized he has no distinguishing characteristics therefore there can only be one, so for there to be more than one of something they have to be distinguishable.
Potentiality and actuality, from Aristotle :
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Dec 25, 12:33am
God is fully actualized when something/someone is fully actualized he has no distinguishing characteristics therefore there can only be one, so for there to be more than one of something they have to be distinguishable.
God has many distinguishing characteristics, I can think of two right off the top of my head.
He's jealous, by His own Admission:
For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God
Exodus 34:14
For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.
DEU.4:24
There's so many passages where God is described as, and describes himself as jealous, I can't possibly post them all here.
He likes BBQ. Leviticus 1:9
You are to wash the internal organs and the legs with water, and the priest is to burn all of it on the altar. It is a burnt offering, a food offering, an aroma pleasing to the LORD.
Aristotle also proposed the Sun goes around the Earth, which was the center of the Cosmos.
As for philosophy in general, it was a start, like alchemy for chemistry, then it gave birth to science and became irrelevant.
indigenous
2014 Dec 25, 12:41am
Those are biblical, I'm talking about logic/Thomisms.
Did you read that Wiki? Or do you just enjoy marinating in your own ignorance?
indigenous
2014 Dec 25, 12:43am
Aristotle also proposed the Sun goes around the Earth, which was the center of the Cosmos.
As for philosophy in general, it was a start, like alchemy for chemistry, then it gave birth to science and became irrelevant.
Apples and oranges
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Dec 25, 12:46am
Those are biblical, I'm talking about logic/Thomisms.
Medieval Balderdash. Shall we transform lead to Gold? Is masturbation worse than rape?
Did you read that Wiki? Or do you just enjoy marinating in your own ignorance?
He who links the Wiki, has no cause for condemning those who critically read his link.
Apples and oranges
No, evidence that Aristotle wasn't so awesome.
indigenous
2014 Dec 25, 12:55am
He who links the Wiki, has no cause for condemning those who critically read his link.
Your argument is based on the bible, it is not an argument, it is religious yik yak.
No, evidence that Aristotle wasn't so awesome.
You are conflating one point with some genuine points, i.e. throwing out the baby with the bathwater. That is an error.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Dec 25, 1:49am
Your argument is based on the bible, it is not an argument, it is religious yik yak.
Aquinas' "Logic" of Thomism depends on religion, he's a saint in one of the world's largest denominations, and several leaders of that denomination have said he's indispensable to their theology.
Since Tom Woods is an ardent Catholic, as well as an Austrian, it's not a surprise he's used Thomism to defend his dumb economic ideas.
You are conflating one point with some genuine points, i.e. throwing out the baby with the bathwater. That is an error.
It's utterly relevant to point out that one philosophical idea was produced by the same man who made provably incorrect predictions and theories
Wasn't Jesus the original Zombie??
No, several myths pre-dating Jesus feature a resurrection theme.
"ANOTHER of those gods whose supposed death and resurrection struck such deep roots into the faith and ritual of Western Asia is Attis. He was to Phrygia what Adonis was to Syria. Like Adonis, he appears to have been a god of vegetation, and his death and resurrection were annually mourned and rejoiced over at a festival in spring. The legends and rites of the two gods were so much alike that the ancients themselves sometimes identified them."
Strategist
2014 Dec 25, 1:58am
But seriously-isn't jesus the first undead???
And the first to die twice.
In a sense we all are as we either go to heaven or hell to live in eternity.
indigenous
2014 Dec 25, 2:03am
Aquinas' "Logic" of Thomism depends on religion, he's a saint in one of the world's largest denominations, and several leaders of that denomination have said he's indispensable to their theology.
Absolutely false, you have not read or do not understand these Thomisms.
Since Tom Woods is an ardent Catholic, as well as an Austrian, it's not a surprise he's used Thomism to defend his dumb economic ideas.
And so you stoop to ad hominem, IOW you are out of ammunition.
indigenous
2014 Dec 25, 2:09am
It's utterly relevant to point out that one philosophical idea was produced by the same man who made provably incorrect predictions and theories
But that does not negate or invalidate everything he has said.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Dec 25, 2:09am
No, several myths pre-dating Jesus feature a resurrection theme.
Speaking of Attis, hundreds of macho Roman-Italians and others chopped their wangs off to become Priests of Attis. For those who can receive it, let them receive it... nothing unique to Christianity with the being a eunuch for the sake of a Deity.
There's also Inanna, Horus, and many other gods who went to hell and brought back Life, were sacrificed for the good of all, or came back to whoop the ass of harmful gods, etc.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Dec 25, 2:14am
Absolutely false, you have not read or do not understand these Thomisms.
But you're not going to tell me why I'm wrong, of course.
And so you stoop to ad hominem, IOW you are out of ammunition.
No ad hom intended. Simply pointing out Thomas Woods' intellectual development. I didn't even use scare quotes for "intellectual development." er.. oops. It doesn't take a rocket scientists to figure out where and how you got exposed to Thomism, being a Woods/Austrian fan.
But that does not negate or invalidate everything he has said.
Nope. I find Aristotle's ideas of the mean in morality valid.
However, Aristotle rejiggered as a base for Thomism in particular is useless medieval nonsense, as all the "Logic" of Thomism depends on Theism.
indigenous
2014 Dec 25, 2:21am
But you're not going to tell me why I'm wrong, of course.
Because Aquinas is talking logic as with Aristotle and the wiki I linked. There is nothing religious about the Thomisms.
It doesn't take a rocket scientists to figure out where and how you got exposed to Thomism, being a Woods/Austrian fan.
You certainly prove that point...
However, Aristotle rejiggered as a base for Thomism in particular is useless medieval nonsense, as all the "Logic" of Thomism depends on Theism.
IOW you refuse to look at what I'm saying, rather you take the low road of conflation.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Dec 25, 2:23am
There is nothing religious about the Thomisms.
There's nothing religious about a philosophy whose core work is Summa Theologae, and written by a cannonized Monk. It's purely coincidental that Thomism is popular amongst those trained in Catholic Schools and among mostly Catholic Theologians and Philosophers. Got it.
IOW you refuse to look at what I'm saying, rather you take the low road of conflation.
All you're saying is "Look at Thomism", probably because Woods used "Ox Logic" to "prove" something about Austrianism and/or a priori non-empirical bullshit.
There's nothing to refute. Why don't you explain make point besides "Check out this school of theology/philosophy" and back it up with those Thomist ideas, then we'll have something to debate.
Tenpoundbass
2014 Dec 25, 2:25am
They ordered him to take down a wooden structure of 1X6's shoddily strewn together without a permit. From the video I saw of it, it is even set up with in inches of the street. He has until tomorrow to comply. If it was solely about him sullying the good name of our Lord and Savior on this Christmas morn, then you think they would have ordered him to do it in time for it to have been gone by today at least.
indigenous
2014 Dec 25, 2:31am
There's nothing religious about a philosophy whose core work is Summa Theologae, and written by a cannonized Monk. Got it.
Again you demonstrate you inability to discern differences.
All you're saying is "Look at Thomism",
Nope I started by talking about actualization, I did splain it to you, you chose to ignore.thunderlips11 says
probably because Woods used "Ox Logic"
Don't know what that is. It appears that you cannot discern the diff between belief and a priori Remember mathematics is a priori. thunderlips11 says
There's nothing to refute. Why don't you explain some point and back it up with Thomism, then we'll have something to debate.
As I stated I already did.
I have some things to attend to, AFK
"Obviously, Christianity was taking these ancient pagan winter solstice festivals, some of which stuck to a very ancient date for the old "Christmas Eve" and applied it to the nativity of Christ. They were copying the date from the age of Aries which is mostly certainly a Horus related mythic motif that evolved through time into the later hellenized transformation of Isis and Horus, to things like Kore and Aion. In the end, to be astronomically correct with the current age, the Christians moved it to December 25th because that was the last night of the winter solstice and the ancient January 6 date (dating to the former age) was no longer correct. There's a variety of ways of showing how the Christians most certainly copied Pagan mythological motifs that long pre-date the common era."
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Dec 25, 2:40am
Nope I started by talking about actualization, I did splain it to you, you chose to ignore
Oh indigenous, did I indeed ignore it?:
indigenous says
God is fully actualized when something/someone is fully actualized he has no distinguishing characteristics therefore there can only be one, so for there to be more than one of something they have to be distinguishable.
I brought up the Bible, the key text of the religion upon which Thomism is based:
God has many distinguishing characteristics, I can think of two right off the top of my head.
He's jealous, by His own Admission:
For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God
Exodus 34:14For the LORD your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.
DEU.4:24There's so many passages where God is described as, and describes himself as jealous, I can't possibly post them all here.
He likes BBQ. Leviticus 1:9
You are to wash the internal organs and the legs with water, and the priest is to burn all of it on the altar. It is a burnt offering, a food offering, an aroma pleasing to the LORD.
SO there you go. God has distinguishing characteristics, at least by his own Holy Book and by extension the beliefs of the Religion upon which Thomism is based. And therefore, by your quoted logic, there must be more than one of them.
indigenous
2014 Dec 25, 2:46am
SO there you go. God has distinguishing characteristics, at least by his own Holy Book and by extension the beliefs of the Religion upon which Thomism is based. And therefore, by your quoted logic, there must be more than one of them.
God did not write the bible. Thomism is not based on religion. It is a priori Now I'm repeating myself... AFK
indigenous
2014 Dec 25, 5:54am
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
Ask him about the CRA!
I linked that too.
I'll bet Santa gave both of you a lump of coal up your ass.
elliemae
2014 Dec 25, 5:59am
They ordered him to take down a wooden structure of 1X6's shoddily strewn together without a permit. From the video I saw of it, it is even set up with in inches of the street. He has until tomorrow to comply. If it was solely about him sullying the good name of our Lord and Savior on this Christmas morn, then you think they would have ordered him to do it in time for it to have been gone by today at least.
Aren't all "mangers" crappy structures? Are they ever permitted? Obviously the township had a sick up its collective ass and they found a way to force the guy to take it down.
It would have been easier to just ignore it if it offended someone. It would have been taken down in time.
Tenpoundbass
2014 Dec 25, 7:54am
Obviously the township had a sick up its collective ass and they found a way to force the guy to take it down.
After Christmas.
indigenous
2014 Dec 25, 7:56am
We gonna say wiki wiki again?
Once again, never argue with idiots...
That's his M.O.
Yup I'm the one who doesn't understand...
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Dec 25, 8:13am
We gonna say wiki wiki again?
Once again, never argue with idiots...
That's his M.O.
Yup I'm the one who doesn't understand...
Yup.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Dec 25, 8:15am
We gonna say wiki wiki again?
Once again, never argue with idiots...
That's his M.O.
Yup I'm the one who doesn't understand...
Yup.
http://patrick.net/?p=1263478&c=1158405
I see the "Fully actualized, no defining characteristics" crap came up in that thread (as well as "Hero Worship of Aristotle" as Dan so eloquently put it).
You know what else has no defining characteristics?
Nothing.
indigenous
2014 Dec 25, 8:33am
Nothing.
Sactly, you cannot define something that is exterior to the physical universe in physical universe terms.
Dan8267
2014 Dec 25, 10:59am
Greg Bickford, the township administrator, said the citation has nothing to do with the content of the display, which he called "comical." Rather, the size and location are the issues, Bickford said.
That's some big ass bullshit there. He should put that statement to the test by projecting a giant, naked Jesus sucking another naked man's cock on his house. That won't "violate any local property maintenance codes".
Something like this, but that would be offensive to the officials who used extortion to get him to remove his message.
Y
2014 Dec 25, 11:36pm
http://www.youtube.com/embed/_fivBoHfgEs
Officials order Ohio man to take down zombie Nativity scene
Tenpoundbass
2014 Dec 26, 12:13am
When did the Democrats get petty and retarded?
You guys used to stand for something, and your battles you chose really meant something.
If your knickers are in a twist over this story, then your Liberal enlightenment training has been complete. Please report to the nearest raw sewage processing plant to begin your career.
indigenous
2014 Dec 26, 12:44am
Officials order Ohio man to take down zombie Nativity scene
Libbys cans vegetables, is this a metaphor?
Y
2014 Dec 26, 7:50am
no it was supposed to be an insult but I was in a hurry..
Officials order Ohio man to take down zombie Nativity scene
Libbys cans vegetables, is this a metaphor?
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Dec 26, 11:07am
Once again, this idea comes from the Summa Theologica, it is based on the idea from Aristotle the unmoved mover. It states that all things are moved by a mover and that the mover is exterior to the moved in other words a primary cause moves the moved (potentiality) towards a destination (actuality).
And the Summa Theologica is a WHAT? text. No seriously, what do you think a book called the Summa Theologica is about? Philatelics? Nuismatics? Alchemy?
It's about Theology. You don't need 3 years of Latin to figure it out.
So Thomas Aquinas is a theologian who wrote a theological work.
You cannot regress this infinitely. There must be a primary mover. This primary mover is God.
It's special pleading to say everything has a mover, except the first mover.
indigenous
2014 Dec 26, 11:16am
It's special pleading to say everything has a mover, except the first mover.
It is just logic...
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Dec 26, 11:18am
It's special pleading to say everything has a mover, except the first mover.
It is just logic...
Special Pleading is a logical Fallacy.
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/specplea.html
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/special-pleading.html
You're welcome.
indigenous
2014 Dec 26, 11:31am
Special Pleading is a logical Fallacy.
No it's not, you are saying that Aristotle should be dismissed because of your mistaken notion?
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