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Stuff like taxing insurance plans, medical devices, and now college money, you can't help but see exactly who's side this motherfucker is on.
Unless you're a Liberal of course, then it all make sense. The idea is to tax any son of a bitch that might have more or better than you. BUt the reality is when you don't have any work, prospects, skills or hope. A goddamned Cockroach has it better than a Liberal constituent.
The fucking useless slaves.
Here's the TRUE view of Tat's socialist liberal utopia
Where did you get your chart? Medicaid says they have 65 million people and that's AFTER 7 million signed up through obamacare. The "census bureau" says 83 million. Something is very wrong. Are the rest of the numbers just as bad?
But your way to fix it is in "Redistribution of wealth" and TAKE it from the people at the top and GIVE it to the people on the bottom...
Obviously. How do you think the people at the top got their wealth?? It grew on trees in their yard???
They took it from the people at the bottom and middle. I just want to give it back.
But your way to fix it is in "Redistribution of wealth" and TAKE it from the people at the top and GIVE it to the people on the bottom...
Obviously. How do you think the people at the top got their wealth?? It grew on trees in their yard???
They took it from the people at the bottom and middle. I just want to give it back.
LOL, they certainly didn't take it from the poor. Quite a few created a lot of wealth for the economy and therefore for others, some exploited the system if the government made it easy for them (e.g. FIRE sector). Capitalism is not a choice, it's a necessity because it is closest to human nature where you provide a good/service where there is a need/demand. The further you stray from that model the worse your economy will do. Forceful redistribution is one of the counterproductive measures, esp. income tax.
don't know why you all criticize those that don't work, they are making more money than those that work. Now in california you even get 80 bucks a month for each kid under the age of 2 for diapers. you don't need money for anything anymore, plus you get a grip of cash for 250 dollar sneakers, movies, the best cell phones.
oh, my 600 lb grandson has not worked since the age of 22 and that was many years ago. i figured his entitlements. free food, disability, free rent, discounted phone/car insurance/gas and electric/bus pass/medical, and figured in he pays no taxes. he lives like someone making 80 thousand a year before taxes. what a nice life.
Wouldn't another tax cut, plus a weapons program like the F-35, and doubling Iowa corn ethanol subsidies put this right?
What if we got rid of some more unions? That would surely increase middle-class earnings, right?
Everybody does not have to go to college-the poor merit kids already get scholarships.
Actually, in my opinion free college with his proposal pays for itself. We're just talking about tuition at junior colleges. It's pretty hard to imagine that the cost of this would not come back to the government in the form of tax revenues later.
These days, for a variety of reasons (especially in the poorest neighborhoods) students get behind in school. For many of those students, call them late bloomers, those first two years of junior college are critical to getting them up to where the average to slightly above average students are in middle class neighborhood public schools, when they graduate HS.
I can see that taxing college savings accounts isn't an ideal way to pay for this. But at least he believes in trying to pay for spending, rather than the typical right wing idea of starving the beast, by not paying for things like tax cuts to upper incomes and corporations.
Wouldn't another tax cut, plus a weapons program like the F-35, and doubling Iowa corn ethanol subsidies put rhis right?
Yes, exactly.
Most junior colleges do nothing more than elevate the gratuitous high school illiterates to where they should have been in sophomore year of high school anyway.
Obama has turned the Presidency into game show hosting, so called free prizes but no contest.
Obviously. How do you think the people at the top got their wealth?? It grew on trees in their yard???
They took it from the people at the bottom and middle. I just want to give it back.
People who open 529 accounts for their kids are not "people at the top", hello!
People who open 529 accounts for their kids are not "people at the top", hello!
I agree with that. Taxing 529 accounts wouldn't be my choice.
Anyone have a list of all the Rep/Con/Teas sucking on the Big Govt. Socialist teat?
Anyone have a list of all the Rep/Con/Teas sucking on the Big Govt. Socialist teat?
Two wrongs don't make a right. That pig castrating senator whose family lives off the gubmnt teat is just wrong.
But obozo is now exhibiting a pattern. In Obozocare he taxed so called Cadillac plans. Many unions will be affected by that. I doubt unions are the 1%. Now Obozo is proposing to tax college funds that mostly upper middle class use. This is just wrong-where is he going to stop??
It is inevitable. Blame the 1% for everything and slowly that attitude will grow to include any middle class who is successful and lives without a handout. Those now comprise the evil class in Obozo's bizarro world. It is their money he wants so that the 300 pound welfare hordes can live in comfort for ever.
oh, my 600 lb grandson has not worked since the age of 22 and that was many years ago. i figured his entitlements. free food, disability, free rent, discounted phone/car insurance/gas and electric/bus pass/medical, and figured in he pays no taxes. he lives like someone making 80 thousand a year before taxes. what a nice life.
You must be so proud?
Actually, in my opinion free college with his proposal pays for itself. We're just talking about tuition at junior colleges. It's pretty hard to imagine that the cost of this would not come back to the government in the form of tax revenues later.
The reality is that it boils down to are you a good student or not? If not then it is a waste of money.
Secondly the stats on community college graduates are that only about 30% of them graduate with a 2 yr degree. And the income of those graduates is only marginally higher than high school graduates.
Opinions are as ubiquitous as assholes...
Secondly the stats on community college graduates are that only about 30% of them graduate with a 2 yr degree. And the income of those graduates is only marginally higher than high school graduates.
Do those stats include those that go on to complete four year degrees ?
Please supply your sources.
I'd like to see you prove that!
I didn't say I could prove it. But there are countless studies we have all seen that say income levels correlate with how much education a person has.
And as I said, some of these kids are really getting up to where they have the equivalent of a decent high school education. Why not look up the statistics on incomes of people who completed high school versus those that haven't ?
Do those stats include those that go on to complete four year degrees ?
Please supply your sources.
Don't know, if only 30% IIRC graduate then what percentage get through a 4yr school, 15%
The point is that O's idea of free community college is once again crap
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Anyone ever wonder why 92 million Americans currently don't work despite help wanted signs everywhere?
Anyone ever wonder why 92 million Americans currently don't work despite help wanted signs everywhere?
Help wanted signs are where?
Anyone ever wonder why 92 million Americans currently don't work despite help wanted signs everywhere?
Help wanted signs are where?
Pretty much anywhere for the rare person today who will drive around, look and or ask.
I guess 34 years of tax cuts haven't trickled down yet.
Give it time.
I like the idea of free college, but they should just tax everyone except for me to pay for it, I'm special. Isn't that how it should work?
Anyone ever wonder why 92 million Americans currently don't work despite help wanted signs everywhere?
Minimum wage wanted help signs. Now when I was young, our generation was happy for any work we got. But I see new kids, they don't want to sweat or labor all that much. They see Mexicans work, and they think all manual work is demeaning unless you Mexican. Our culture got all messed up lately.
Minimum wage wanted help signs. Now when I was young, our generation was happy for any work we got.
When I was young, you'd generally see folks with brownish skin digging the ditches while someone with light skin was overseeing them.
About those 92 million Americans, a hilarious claim. If there were that many "young people looking for work" I'd be aghast. But there aren't. Lots of people are not working because they are RETIRED. Or stay at home Moms, want to force them into the job market? I have a friend a bit older that can't lift anything of consequence anymore, his back is DONE for. The actual figure for unemployed people who are employable and seeking employment is much much lower.
Now when I was young, our generation was happy for any work we got.
I'll bet you walked to school barefoot in the snow uphill both directions also.
Blame the 1% for everything and slowly that attitude will grow to include any middle class who is successful and lives without a handout.
You're losing it man. Get a grip.
It is inevitable. Blame the 1% for everything and slowly that attitude will grow to include any middle class who is successful and lives without a handout.
It's like when I started using slippery-slope arguments. Soon I was brushing and flossing less. Then I was stiffing people on the check at group restaurant outings. Then I became impolite. Which progressed, naturally, to double parking, and then petty theft. Then arson, which got boring, so I started doing rapes. Now I kill people and steal anything that isn't nailed down, and I fully intend to overthrow the government, start a land war on three continents (Asia is a must) and become the greatest mass murderer history has ever known!
And when that's settled, I'll move on to CENTRAL BANKING!
Bwahahahahaha!
Blame the 1% for everything and slowly that attitude will grow to include any middle class who is successful and lives without a handout.
You're losing it man. Get a grip.
Says the one trick pony. Can't handle any criticism of the anointed one??
Says the one trick pony. Can't handle any criticism of the anointed one??
Why is it that you think people who recognize wealth disparity as an issue facing our current society "hate the 1%"?
don't know why you all criticize those that don't work, they are making more money than those that work. Now in california you even get 80 bucks a month for each kid under the age of 2 for diapers. you don't need money for anything anymore, plus you get a grip of cash for 250 dollar sneakers, movies, the best cell phones.
oh, my 600 lb grandson has not worked since the age of 22 and that was many years ago. i figured his entitlements. free food, disability, free rent, discounted phone/car insurance/gas and electric/bus pass/medical, and figured in he pays no taxes. he lives like someone making 80 thousand a year before taxes. what a nice life.
Poor baby. How unfortunate to be born with a thyroid condition
Says the one trick pony. Can't handle any criticism of the anointed one??
Why is it that you think people who recognize wealth disparity as an issue facing our current society "hate the 1%"?
Hating the 1% has been a major theme in the far left of our country. That is going to spread-from 1% to the 40% is not a stretch. Especially when larger and larger chunks of the population get used to getting money for doing nothing. Just as some farms get money for not planting crops.
Getting money from rich folks to pay for bums or as Obozo is already doing -expanding the tax base to include middle income folks-people who have good insurance plans through work , medical devices and now his proposal to tax college plans - is not how you reduce income inequality.
Obozo is already negotiating the TPP and that will expand the wealth gap even further-by making our workers compete directly with the likes of Vietnam. He is being extremely dishonest-by projecting to be some messiah of the middle class-when all he is doing is serving his corporate masters and giving handouts to the poor by squeezing everybody else.
Inequality is already there-but this whole theme of the 1% has been around for too long. They are not the cause, but the symptom. When one can erect a factory in China/whatever hellhole , import goods with no barriers to entry and even get tax benefits for that-well factory owner will do just that. Once one does and undercuts the price-others will be forced to follow or shut down. The owners now are richer and the middle class former workers are now poorer-along with all the supporting industries/businesses. That is not something that the rich did-but the gubmnt -who is supposed to look out for all of us.
But there is Obozo signing in secret an even bigger free trade deal and in this case foreign corporations can sue local gubmnts for loss of revenue due to local laws-in a foreign tribunal. That is what the clown is negotiating and you think this won't add to income inequality, when we will be competing with hordes of Vietnamese workers. Nope-lets just raise taxes and give it to the bums/formerly productive workers. That will solve everything
Anyone ever wonder why 92 million Americans currently don't work despite help wanted signs everywhere?
Help wanted signs are where?
Pretty much anywhere for the rare person today who will drive around, look and or ask.
So we have surplus jobs in America that go unfilled? Because our benefits are so generous they won't take these good jobs?
Aren't you the same folks that say jobs are not being created, the ones that are are shitty, and the REAL unemployment numbers are much, much higher?
Here's the TRUE view of Tat's socialist liberal utopia... If it was up to him, 100% of the population would be in the second column!!
No.
The politicians only need a simple majority to elect them. They also need the rest of us to pay off those voters.
Democrats and Republicans have that in common and just disagree over who gets the hand-outs and what minority gets squeezed.
43's middle-class tax cuts moved America's tax system from second place to most progressive (ratio of tax to income shares for the top earning decile) in the OECD 24 including Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, The Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Korea, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, The Slovak Republic, Sweden, Switzerland, and The United Kingdom.
Hating the 1% has been a major theme in the far left of our country.
See--that's where you're wrong. As others on here have pointed out, the 1% has many Dems in it. What the left hates is the current political policies that lead to increased wealth disparity.
Inequality is already there-but this whole theme of the 1% has been around for too long.
Of course--there will always be inequality. But not at the current ridiculously high levels. It hasn't been this high since the late 1920s--and we all know how that ended.
They are not the cause, but the symptom. When one can erect a factory in China/whatever hellhole , import goods with no barriers to entry and even get tax benefits for that-well factory owner will do just that. Once one does and undercuts the price-others will be forced to follow or shut down. The owners now are richer and the middle class former workers are now poorer-along with all the supporting industries/businesses. That is not something that the rich did-but the gubmnt -who is supposed to look out for all of us.
Of course. That's why we have to elect more liberals. Free trade is a VERY Republican ideal. Not exclusively, obviously, but if you look at who votes against the free trade deals, it's usually liberals.
So, you're basically arguing Obama isn't liberal enough.
43's middle-class tax cuts moved America's tax system from second place to most progressive (ratio of tax to income shares for the top earning decile) in the OECD 24 including Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, The Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Korea, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, The Slovak Republic, Sweden, Switzerland, and The United Kingdom.
That's a symptom of income/wealth inequality--not tax structure.
When 1% of the people have 30% of the money, obviously most of the taxes MUST come from those people. You can't bleed a turnip.
Hating the 1% has been a major theme in the far left of our country. That is going to spread-from 1% to the 40% is not a stretch.
YEs it is. It's an absurd stretch. IT's totally nonsensical gibberish.
The very fact that you would say something as stupid as "the far left: (that's my favorite part) "hates" the 1%, shows how out of touch you are, and paints you as a right wing defender of the unfair preferential treatment the 1% feels entitled to.
I don't hate the 1%. I just think they should be taxed more, as do some 1%ers.
Look, I guess in your warped view of reality I'm far left. But newsflash: I do not like the idea of taxing all college savings accounts. I have a big problem with it. Opening the subject for discussion though ? I don't have a problem with that. And yes, the idea that this is a slippery slope, to even consider it ? Wtf man ? Is your name Koch ?
MAybe even a far right wing defender of the interests of super-rich and corpations such as yourself can see that it's just one more tax break for some. For example, the 1% folks. They already get tax breaks on real estate, and on IRAs and 401Ks or other vehicles for which they can sock money away lowering their taxable income and which grow in value tax free. And even on their other capital gains, they are not taxed nearly as high as income.
The 529 savings accounts not only grow tax free, but the gains are not taxed when spent on college. This is quite a deal, and not something I would want to see taken away from the middle class. But the truth is, that for some, this is just another place to put money and have it grow tax free.
Within rich communities, the people that are set for life, even if they don't work ? For those people they or their parents can afford to put enough away for a child at the time of the childs birth that it will grow to more than pay for a 50K per year college funding.
THat's not who the 529 benefits were even intended for. So I think discussing taxing that growth for people with a net worth above a certain level makes a lot of sense. Maybe they could put the cut off at 1.5 million in net worth above housing equty or above 3 million including housing equity.
It's worth discussing.
Hating the 1% has been a major theme in the far left of our country. That is going to spread-from 1% to the 40% is not a stretch.
YEs it is. IT's totally nonsensical gibberish.
The very fact that you would say something as stupid as "the far left: (that's my favorite part) "hates" the 1%, show how out of touch you are, and paints you as a right wing defender of the unfair preferential treatment the 1% feels entitled to.
I don't hate the 1%. I just think they should be taxed more, as do some 1%ers.
LOL, who was talking about you? But if the badge fits -LOL
WEll, there is no far left in this country, to speak of. So yes, as a typical Obama hater, who makes outlandish statements implying he is far left, and who talk about a slippery slope of what we should fear the far left doing, of course I assume you also place me in that non existent grouping.
Only a right wing moron who soaks up every stupid bit of propaganda from the far right (which very much does exist) could buy in to the idea that there even is a far left in this country (to speak of).
WEll, there is no far left in this country, to speak of
Only a right wing moron who soaks up every stupid bit of propaganda from the far right (which very much does exist) could buy in to the idea that there even is a far left in this country (to speak of).
Would this be you marcus??
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