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Two shot and killed at 'Muhammad Art, Cartoon Contest' in Texas

By Strategist follow Strategist   2015 May 3, 8:00pm 30,689 views   70 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/03/us/mohammed-drawing-contest-shooting/index.html
Two men who opened fire outside a contest for Prophet Mohammad cartoons in a Dallas suburb were shot dead by police Sunday night, authorities said.

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31   socal2   ignore (1)   2015 May 4, 10:06am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Blurtman says

You said we should "obey" primitive Muslim customs or expect violence.

Nope. Try again.

You specifically said this:

"But if you are going to purposefully antagonize folks, even though you are within your rights, you have to expect a violent reaction to your provocation."

Seems clear to me that you are saying that we should expect to be murdered in America if we draw cartoons and insult radical Muslims. Therefore, best to "obey" primitive Sharia Law and stay safe - right?

32   HydroCabron   ignore (1)   2015 May 4, 10:07am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

socal2 says

Sigh - more lame moral equivalence by Libs trying to give radical Islam a pass.

These guys got the deaths they earned.

That doesn't mean I'm going to listen to apologists for violent pro-lifers.

socal2 says

You have to go back a quarter century to find enough examples of "Christian Terrorists" to match the death toll ISIS inflicts in a single day.

What?

ISIS is utterly evil, but I see little evidence that Christians don't know how to kill. More of a wealth of evidence so vast for the other conclusion. What to pick... what to pick...

I've got it! How about this? Here's the list of countries which Britain hasn't invaded:

Andorra
Belarus
Bolivia
Burundi
Central African Republic
Chad
Congo, Republic of
Guatemala
Ivory Coast
Kyrgyzstan
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Mali
Marshall Islands
Monaco
Mongolia
Paraguay
Sao Tome and Principe
Sweden
Tajikistan
Uzbekistan
Vatican City

33   Blurtman   ignore (1)   2015 May 4, 10:12am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Seems clear to me that you are saying that we should expect to be murdered in America if we draw cartoons and insult radical Muslims. - Yes, you would be unwise to not plan for violence.

Therefore, best to "obey" primitive Sharia Law and stay safe - right? - Weighing the chances of violence and not proceeding would not be obeying Sharia law anymore than steering clear of an armed right wing nut job would mean allegiance to his viewpoints.

34   socal2   ignore (1)   2015 May 4, 10:19am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Blurtman says

Weighing the chances of violence and not proceeding would not be obeying Sharia law anymore than steering clear of an armed right wing nut job would mean allegiance to his viewpoints.

In other words, we should OBEY Sharia law in America to avoid the potential of violence.

Sharia is also against gays. If they start targeting gay weddings and night clubs here in America, will you tell the gay population that they should "steer clear" (OBEY) as well?

35   Reality   ignore (5)   2015 May 4, 10:30am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

IIRC, Sharia laws also forbid television because it makes images of human beings. . . That begs the question how the ISIS produces those video footage and put them on the internet? How can their followers even be allowed under their rule to watch those video footages? How did they square that circle?

36   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2015 May 4, 10:36am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HydroCabron says

These guys got the deaths they earned.

That doesn't mean I'm going to listen to apologists for violent pro-lifers

Are you saying if there were cartoons of Jesus, there would be assassin/terrorists outside.

37   HydroCabron   ignore (1)   2015 May 4, 10:41am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says

Are you saying if there were cartoons of Jesus, there would be assassin/terrorists outside.

Read through the thread: somebody claimed that Christians are not violent toward abortion clinics.

38   Blurtman   ignore (1)   2015 May 4, 10:41am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

socal2 says

In other words, we should OBEY Sharia law in America to avoid the potential of violence.

If I do not consume alcohol because I find the effects to be unpleasant, as well as the taste, I am not following Sharia law. I just don't like booze.

My icon comes from the movie They Live. If you haven't seen it, I recommend it. For me the movie is about the dangers of government and societal mandated behaviors and the efforts to control the population. The plot is a bit far fetched, but with special sunglasses, you can see what is really being broadcast and advertised to you - Consume, Obey, Conform.

Anyway the hero, Rowdy Roddy Piper, gets a shotgun and begins blasting the authority figures. I think he might have gotten a few Wall Street types.

My icon is the politician, who could be a senator but more likely the supreme leader, i.e., president. He gives a corny speech about how everything will get better and bright days are ahead. It could be any politician's speech today. Check it out if you haven't seen it. You have to like sci fi and be willing to go with the plot.

39   Blurtman   ignore (1)   2015 May 4, 10:42am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says

Are you saying if there were cartoons of Jesus, there would be assassin/terrorists outside.

If it were cartoons of John Wayne, look out, pardner.

40   socal2   ignore (1)   2015 May 4, 10:57am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Blurtman says

My icon comes from the movie They Live. If you haven't seen it, I recommend it. For me the movie is about the dangers of government and societal mandated behaviors and the efforts to control the population.

I've seen the movie. I'm a fan of John Carpenter and that is why I have been tweaking you on the whole "obey" thing.

PC Liberalism both in the government and culture is the biggest force trying to mandate behavior and force conformity. In this case we have many liberal people essentially saying that Pamela Geller had it coming by daring to offend primitive Sharia Law. Basically, the skirt was too skimpy rape excuse.

Garry Trudeau (the ultimate PC lib) said the same thing about the Charlie Hebdo victims last month.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/why-garry-trudeau-is-wrong-about-charlie-hebdo/390336/

Now, we have Libs using the power of the State to force people to bake cakes for gay weddings.
http://aclu-co.org/court-rules-bakery-illegally-discriminated-against-gay-couple/

We will be made to care.....or conform.....

41   mmmarvel   ignore (0)   2015 May 4, 11:15am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Blurtman says

But if you are going to purposefully antagonize folks, even though you are within your rights, you have to expect a violent reaction to your provocation.

When you're reaction reaches violence (especially involving guns) in Texas - gonna be a bad day for you. We live in a (supposedly) free speech country. I'm assaulted EVERY DAY by nonsense that offends me, so? In turn I'm sure some of what I say offends others, I don't take out a gun because I'm offended, and I'm more than happy to use my gun on someone who does think that his gun will solve the free speech insult that he's suffering from.

42   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2015 May 4, 11:43am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

mmmarvel says

When you're reaction reaches violence (especially involving guns) in Texas

The Muslims didn't anticipate who they'd tangled with until they met Bubba in Texas. Probably a far cry from Seattle or Portland or Boston

43   HydroCabron   ignore (1)   2015 May 4, 11:49am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

P N Dr Lo R says

The Muslims didn't anticipate who they'd tangled with until they met Bubba in Texas. Probably a far cry from Seattle or Portland or Boston

The cops shot these guys. Seattle, Portland and Boston all have police forces.

The morbidly obese NRA members in Texas were busy waving weapons around at Hardee's, scaring the piss out of soccer moms while gumming up their AR-15s with ranch dressing. They were unable to pry their massive bellies out of the booth in time.

44   Bellingham Bill   ignore (5)   2015 May 4, 12:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church_shooting

On July 27, 2008, a politically motivated[2][3] fatal shooting took place at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee, United States. Motivated by a desire to kill liberals and Democrats, gunman Jim David Adkisson fired a shotgun at members of the congregation during a youth performance of a musical, killing two people and wounding seven others.

Pam knew what she was doing here, being a marginal whackaloon herself, she trusted her get-together would stir someone on the opposite nutball margin to respond.

Going with the low estimate of 2.6M muslims in the US, she managed to provoke 0.00008% of the muslim population.

Nice going, Pam. Enjoy waving your bloody shirt now.

45   socal2   ignore (1)   2015 May 4, 1:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Bellingham Bill says

On July 27, 2008, a politically motivated[2][3] fatal shooting took place at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee, United States. Motivated by a desire to kill liberals and Democrats, gunman Jim David Adkisson fired a shotgun at members of the congregation during a youth performance of a musical, killing two people and wounding seven others.

In 2012, a gay activist radicalized by Southern Law Poverty Center (SLPC) entered the Family Research Council's HQ with a bag of Chic Fillet sandwiches and a gun with a plan to murder as many people possible - only to be stopped by a security guard that he shot and wounded.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2013/09/19/d0df61f2-2131-11e3-b73c-aab60bf735d0_story.html

Does the SLPC have any culpability for this would-be mass murderer?

46   CornPoptheOriginalGangster   ignore (5)   2015 May 4, 1:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The SWAT team was already on site - Geert Wilders posed with them.

47   CornPoptheOriginalGangster   ignore (5)   2015 May 4, 1:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Something the two had in common:

Adkisson's manifesto[12] also cited the inability to find a job, and that his food stamps were being cut. His manifesto stated that he intended to keep shooting until police arrived and expected to be killed by police. Adkisson had a waist satchel with more ammunition, totaling 76 shells of #4 shot.

In his manifesto, Adkisson also included the Democratic members of the House and Senate,[12] and the 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America[12] of Bernard Goldberg in his list of wished-for targets.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church_shooting

Corkins, who suffers from chronic mental illness, bought a semiautomatic pistol from a Virginia gun shop six days before the August 2012 shooting. Defense attorney David Bos recommended a sentence of 111 / 2 years and said the case was about “too easy access to firearms.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2013/09/19/d0df61f2-2131-11e3-b73c-aab60bf735d0_story.html

Although usually when a guy attacks a church, it's because the Pastor was banging his daughter - or his wife.

48   Strategist   ignore (2)   2015 May 4, 2:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

thunderlips11 says

The SWAT team was already on site - Geert Wilders posed with them.

Cool. Lure them in, and give them what they deserve.

49   Strategist   ignore (2)   2015 May 4, 5:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sbh says

Hey Strat, I just thought of a question for you. If Dog the Bounty Hunter just shot everyone who ran from him, you'd be cool with that, right?

Hhhmmmm. Sounds like a trick question.
Most likely Yes, I'd be cool.

50   Strategist   ignore (2)   2015 May 4, 6:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sbh says

Strategist says

sbh says

Hey Strat, I just thought of a question for you. If Dog the Bounty Hunter just shot everyone who ran from him, you'd be cool with that, right?

Hhhmmmm. Sounds like a trick question.


Most likely Yes, I'd be cool.

No trick. Just a test of your purity. Dog goes after a tagger with a bench warrant, a mom with unpaid parking tickets, a homeless vet with library fines. Any effort to evade apprehension: 15 shots to the back. Most likely that's a righteous shoot, huh? Just generally speaking? Keeping specifics out of it, right?

They are not criminal enough to warrant getting shot. I still believe in "Let the punishment fit the crime"

51   Strategist   ignore (2)   2015 May 4, 6:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sbh says

How 'bout the homeowner who's in arrears on a robosigned mortgage, got screwed by the bank and holes up in the house demanding the MERS documents? Dog comes by and they won't let him in. He breaks down the door and the family runs out the back. They're all gonna die, right? You're cool with that?

Nope. I would shoot "Dog" if he killed them.

52   Strategist   ignore (2)   2015 May 4, 6:27pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sbh says

C'mon, Strat, do you really need over 15 minutes to put the smack down on such criminals? You ain't dissin' the Dog, are ya bro? He da man in yo worl, fer real? How 'bout da biatch dat slaps Dog when he come to serve on her welfare fraud? Gib da bitch da AK, ya know?

I was on the other thread, honest.

53   Strategist   ignore (2)   2015 May 4, 6:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sbh says

C'mon, Strat, do you really need over 15 minutes to put the smack down on such criminals? You ain't dissin' the Dog, are ya bro? He da man in yo worl, fer real? How 'bout da biatch dat slaps Dog when he come to serve on her welfare fraud? Gib da bitch da AK, ya know?

I don't watch "Dog"
But let me help you.
If you have a child rapist and murderer who just snatched a 4 year old girl and was about to drive off with her, should he be shot in the back at that time?

54   Blurtman   ignore (1)   2015 May 4, 6:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sbh says

He breaks down the door and the family runs out the back. They're all gonna die, right?

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55   Blurtman   ignore (1)   2015 May 4, 6:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

There are rules of engagement for the police. In general, they can't shoot a fleeing person unless he poses an extreme risk to others, or he is black. Now I suppose an extreme risk could be defined to include having dangerous ideas or an anti-central government ideology.

56   Strategist   ignore (2)   2015 May 4, 6:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sbh says

Strategist says

But let me help you.

You do that by not running away. People get shot for that in your world.

So should that child rapist be shot in the back? You are not answering a direct question.
How about Osama Bin Laden? He was unarmed when he was shot. Was that the right thing to do?

57   Strategist   ignore (2)   2015 May 4, 6:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Blurtman says

There are rules of engagement for the police. In general, they can't shoot a fleeing person unless he poses an extreme risk to others, or he is black. Now I suppose an extreme risk could be defined to include having dangerous ideas or an anti-central government ideology.

Ha ha ha."or he is black" very funny.

58   Strategist   ignore (2)   2015 May 4, 6:41pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sbh says

A bad lady trespasses and gets some cans from a dumpster and runs from the cops. One shot or two? I mean, if you're going to quibble about cost you have to have a definitive position on that one, right?

Zero shots. Now how about answering my questions?

59   Blurtman   ignore (1)   2015 May 4, 7:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Personally, flamethrowers with a hair trigger are the solutions of choice here on the compound. That and judicious use of trip wire explosives.

60   Strategist   ignore (2)   2015 May 4, 7:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sbh says

Important questions and their answers require specificity. Is the rapist about to drive off with her to the police station in order to surrender? Is he about to drive off in order to return her to her home and then kill himself? Is he about to drive off to the Catholic church where he works so he can give a sermon and trade her to a Republican parishioner for a more suitable boy?

If he is driving off in order to further his crimes he poses a violent threat to another human being and he should be apprehended in an ever escalating effort by police the effort by whom is determined by the responses to it by the perpetrator.. They shouldn't immediately kill him if they have other options. I realize this is just too much nuance and judgement for you, but thankfully, you don't have a gun and a badge.

You did no give me a honest answer like I did. Just a lot of

sbh says

Strategist says

How about Osama Bin Laden? He was unarmed when he was shot. Was that the right thing to do?

Now this is an interesting question that will require of you even more nuance.

You did it again. More

Here are the answers:
The first one. Yes, he should be shot instantly. A known child molester that snatches a girl is not taking her to the Church.
On Bin Laden. No, he should not have been shot right away. I want to see him captured, questioned, tortured and fed to hungry pigs.
I would want the child molester tortured too, but the welfare of a 4 year old takes precedence.

61   Strategist   ignore (2)   2015 May 4, 7:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sbh says

Try as you will to appear otherwise, you are ruled by opinion and not by principle. If you are for freedom of speech, you are for freedom of speech everywhere for everyone.

There is freedom speech, and there is freedom of speech.
You cannot yell "fire" in a crowded theater.

sbh says

If you proceed from principle the principle applies universally. You proceed from personal opinion and a weak mind ruled by emotion. This is why Dan eats your lunch, and why you hate him for it.

LOL. That is your opinion. I most certainly do not hate him. I like him. He is amusing, and kicking him around is so much fun. I like you just as much for the same reason.

sbh says

Try, though: what principle exonerates the bag lady but condemns the tagger? Can you undertake that?

I think you need help here. To you the tagger who is a child molester is no different than the bag lady who forgot to pay her electricity bill.
Big difference you know. I would shoot the tagger, and tip the bag lady.

62   Strategist   ignore (2)   2015 May 4, 9:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

sbh says

All that separates you from terrorists and criminals is a difference of personal opinion, and on that slim difference you are willing to base law?

Gosh. Terrorists cut off innocent peoples heads, while I got a parking ticket 7 years ago. And you say that is a slim difference.

sbh says

You claim the human rights of Americans, but not of the humans that hate Americans.

I have no intention of supporting the human rights of people who want to kill our children. Absolutely none.

63   Bellingham Bill   ignore (5)   2015 May 4, 10:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The Free Speech Movement at Berkeley ran into this issue in '64.

Some proto-hippie clown from NY showed up one day at the Free Speech tables with a sign, saying one thing:

"FUCK".

Some frat bro didn't like that, and down the rabbit hole the entire Free Speech Movement went.

"Well, we meant 'free' . . . but not that free!"

64   Bellingham Bill   ignore (5)   2015 May 4, 10:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What is hateful to thee, do not unto thy fellowman;
this is the whole Torah. The rest is but commentary.

Rabbi Hillel (d. 10 AD)

65   curious2   ignore (0)   2015 May 4, 10:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HydroCabron says

P N Dr Lo R says

The Muslims didn't anticipate who they'd tangled with until they met Bubba in Texas. Probably a far cry from Seattle or Portland or Boston

The cops shot these guys. Seattle, Portland and Boston all have police forces.

The morbidly obese NRA members in Texas were busy waving weapons around at Hardee's, scaring the piss out of soccer moms while gumming up their AR-15s with ranch dressing. They were unable to pry their massive bellies out of the booth in time.

Fort Hood is also in Texas, and it's an army base, but they've seen 17 dead in two separate shooting incidents since 2009. I would never recommend undertaking anything like that anywhere, but it reminds me of a guy who started shooting at SFPD: the last mistake he ever made, but at least he was the only fatality.

66   Entitlemented   ignore (0)   2015 May 5, 8:28am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HydroCabron says

The cops shot these guys. Seattle, Portland and Boston all have police forces.

Yes but these police forces are out doing crosswalk stings and perhaps more like sociology majors with guns.

We have a situation where people have found a reason to murder because of where you live, your beliefs, what type of shoe you where and all the crazy hype that went on prior to the rule of law in France. The people who went thru this have more of a sense of liberty and egalitarianism.

67   HydroCabron   ignore (1)   2015 May 5, 8:47am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

Fort Hood is also in Texas, and it's an army base, but they've seen 17 dead in two separate shooting incidents since 2009

It's almost as if these generalizations of "Seattle is all liberal fruits - would try to sing Kumbaya with the terrorists" vs "Texas wouldn't stand for that shit - they'd be gunned down the second they pulled the AK out of their turban" aren't really true.

The only public incident I can think of - I'm sure there are others, but this is the only one which comes to mind - in which an armed citizen packing made a big difference, was the Gabby Giffords shooting. I don't have a problem with CCW but, as a friend who carries once said, "A gun under your jacket all day is a bulging, sweaty obstacle, and yet another thing to put on and take off."

68   socal2   ignore (1)   2015 May 5, 9:02am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

Fort Hood is also in Texas, and it's an army base, but they've seen 17 dead in two separate shooting incidents since 2009.

I believe soldiers are not allowed to carry guns on base. So they were pretty much sitting ducks.

69   P N Dr Lo R   ignore (0)   2015 May 5, 9:05am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HydroCabron says

"A gun under your jacket all day is a bulging, sweaty obstacle, and yet another thing to put on and take off."

And apparently even more uncomfortable in a bra:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/02/18/woman-kills-self-adjusting-bra-holster/23640143/

70   Goran_K   ignore (4)   2015 May 5, 10:13am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I conceal carry a handgun everyday in a IWB holster. I barely notice it. It's part of my daily carry items; car keys, iPhone, watch, knife, wallet, and a Glock 19.

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