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Zimbabwe to U.S.: Extradite dentist over killing of Cecil the lion


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2015 Jul 31, 7:35am   26,599 views  58 comments

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/world/zimbabwe-cecil-lion-dentist/index.html

(CNN)As outrage grows over the killing of Cecil the lion, Zimbabwe has called on the United States to extradite the American dentist who shot the prized big cat this month.

Zimbabwe has started extradition proceedings and hopes the U.S. will cooperate, said Oppah Muchinguri, the African nation's environment minister.

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1   Strategist   2015 Jul 31, 7:38am  

The bastard thinks he is macho hunting innocent animals in the wild.
I hope someone hunts him down and knocks out 32 of his teeth.

2   lostand confused   2015 Jul 31, 8:14am  

Strategist says

The bastard thinks he is macho hunting innocent animals in the wild

The next sentence
Strategist says

I hope someone hunts him down and knocks out 32 of his teeth

3   lostand confused   2015 Jul 31, 8:52am  

By the way this is what innocent animals do in the wild. The biggest cause of infant mortality among lions is other male lions. Male lions are vicious when taking over pride and will kill any cubs that they have not sired and even lionesses that stand in their way. Female lions can do considerable damage, but are no match for bigger, far more aggressive males and can get killed in the crossfire. Now killing of adult male lions does put the whole pride in chaos for a while as new sets of males try to take over the pride.. Which si why some countries like Botswana have banned trophy hunting of male lions completely. others like S.Africa have caged lion hunts where lions are grown in very big enclosures and you can go and kill them-which is actually far less disruptive to the ecosystem as it odes not interrupt the family dynamics. however animal rights wingnuts demonize those hunts -claim it is unfair or some such nonsense and then go eat a quarter pound burger at mcDees with no shame.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/ikMKzpmi-Dw

4   lostand confused   2015 Jul 31, 9:04am  

More on innocent wild animals. Here 4 lions gang up and kill a pride lion, while his brothers fled-leaving the two lion pride under the vanquished ripe for takeover. The usual-all cubs killed and the new lords took over. I saw the lion that is being killed, when I visited S.Africa and stayed at the sabi area of private lodges. Impressive specimens he and his brother . Conservation is very important, but to equate them to humans is just stupid. They live and die by their own code and that si what I like-the rawness, the one with nature.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/5LH8eKQ4Jl0

5   Strategist   2015 Jul 31, 9:23am  

lostand confused says

More on innocent wild animals. Here 4 lions gang up and kill a pride lion, while his brothers fled-leaving the two lion pride under the vanquished ripe for takeover. The usual-all cubs killed and the new lords took over. I saw the lion that is being killed, when I visited S.Africa and stayed at the sabi area of private lodges. Impressive specimens he and his brother . Conservation is very important, but to equate them to humans is just stupid. They live and die by their own code and that si what I like-the rawness, the one with nature.

Humans are not being equated to conservation here. Nature will determine what animals do, and how they survive and pass on their genes. We cannot interfere with that. We as humans kill our kind more than any other mammal on the planet. We humans have also done extraordinary harm to our planet.
Allowing the diminishing number of animals in the wild to be hunted down like this for sport will push every single animal into extinction. We cannot allow that. Lets respect Mother Nature.

6   lostand confused   2015 Jul 31, 9:35am  

Strategist says

Humans are not being equated to conservation here. Nature will determine what animals do, and how they survive and pass on their genes. We cannot interfere with that. We as humans kill our kind more than any other mammal on the planet. We humans have also done extraordinary harm to our planet.

That is the Disney version parroted by people who have not watched and lived with nature in action. We are part and parcel of nature. Animals and us are not that far apart. Except we evolved away from that and have learnt to bend the environments around us. Man can live anywhere from the poles to the hottest deserts and even underwater in submarines. We have even set foot on the moon. Instead of depending nature, we harness it-we plant the crops that we want, we breed plants and animals fit for our uses. WE don't wait at waterholes waiting to pounce on animals-instead we grow them and eat them and even feed them. WE grow most of our vegetables and have segregated it , so that most of us can just go to the store and buy what we want.

Now I have killed chicken , milked cows and goats and such, so not that far removed. Don't do it anymore, but would love to buy some larger property when the family starts and do all that and give my kids that experience so they know the rhythms of life and death.

Animals live in this world with us. Some thrive-like leopards. They live all across Africa and Asia -they are secretive, can eat anything from hares to prey bigger than themselves, can climb trees and can live in the sub-urbs.

If you look at history, hunters were the ones who pushed most ofr conservation. if you kill everything quickly, then there will be no hunting. They were the early environmentalists who understood the eco-system better than most and knew the ideal strength so that animals cold replenish thmeslves and still be hunted. What difference does it make if a lion is ripped apart by other lions or shot by a dentist????

Now we certainly need to limit hunting and that system works very well in the uS, with permits and such -deer haven't gone extinct have they??

7   Strategist   2015 Jul 31, 9:53am  

lostand confused says

If you look at history, hunters were the ones who pushed most ofr conservation. if you kill everything quickly, then there will be no hunting. They were the early environmentalists who understood the eco-system better than most and knew the ideal strength so that animals cold replenish thmeslves and still be hunted. What difference does it make if a lion is ripped apart by other lions or shot by a dentist????

Now we certainly need to limit hunting and that system works very well in the uS, with permits and such -deer haven't gone extinct have they??

Millions of dogs and cats are euthanized in shelters every year. Would it be OK to let them lose so hunters can track them down and kill them?

8   lostand confused   2015 Jul 31, 9:59am  

Strategist says

Millions of dogs and cats are euthanized in shelters every year. Would it be OK to let them lose so hunters can track them down and kill them?

Your whole outrage is about wild animals. YOu called for someone to hunt the dentist down and break his teeth. Others have called for far worse and have picketed his offices, have a memorial for the lion etc etc.

So let me ask you this, since you are asking about domestic animals, then obviously you would want the same outrage over any person in the world who eats meat or wears leather shoes or uses any animal products. YOu would want them to be hunted down and have all their teeth knocked out .

9   Strategist   2015 Jul 31, 10:20am  

lostand confused says

Strategist says

Millions of dogs and cats are euthanized in shelters every year. Would it be OK to let them lose so hunters can track them down and kill them?

Your whole outrage is about wild animals. YOu called for someone to hunt the dentist down and break his teeth. Others have called for far worse and have picketed his offices, have a memorial for the lion etc etc.

So let me ask you this, since you are asking about domestic animals, then obviously you would want the same outrage over any person in the world who eats meat or wears leather shoes or uses any animal products. YOu would want them to be hunted down and have all their teeth knocked out .

No, I don't. At the same time I have no sympathy for that fucking asshole. His career is over. His wealth is in jeopardy. I hope his teeth gets smashed in.
The outrage expressed by people the world over indicates hunting for sport is considered cruel and unacceptable. It's just a matter of time before hunting for sport is outlawed all over the globe.

10   Y   2015 Jul 31, 10:29am  

then you should be for nuking iran before they nuke us...

lostand confused says

They live and die by their own code and that si what I like-the rawness,

11   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2015 Jul 31, 10:30am  

We could just send his ass off to Zimbabwe.

12   Y   2015 Jul 31, 10:33am  

You answered your own question...

lostand confused says

What difference does it make if a lion is ripped apart by other lions or shot by a dentist????

lostand confused says

Animals and us are not that far apart. Except we evolved away from that and have learnt to bend the environments around us.

13   Y   2015 Jul 31, 10:42am  

People who hunt for sport just have the desire to kill something.
They should be automatically drafted into the military and forced into the cannon fodder positions...
It's a win win...

Strategist says

The outrage expressed by people the world over indicates hunting for sport is considered cruel and unacceptable. It's just a matter of time before hunting for sport is outlawed all over the globe.

14   Y   2015 Jul 31, 10:43am  

+1

Strategist says

I have no sympathy for that fucking asshole. His career is over. His wealth is in jeopardy. I hope his teeth gets smashed in.

15   RWSGFY   2015 Jul 31, 10:50am  

Surprisingly, US does have an extradition treaty with Zimbabwe. Who would have thought.

16   lostand confused   2015 Jul 31, 11:02am  

Strategist says

No, I don't. At the same time I have no sympathy for that fucking asshole. His career is over. His wealth is in jeopardy. I hope his teeth gets smashed in.

The outrage expressed by people the world over indicates hunting for sport is considered cruel and unacceptable. It's just a matter of time before hunting for sport is outlawed all over the globe

No it will be outlawed by the leftists who have become too civilized. Then the barbarains will take over and become too civilized and the cycle repeats again. You would make a great sports hunter with so much anger, rage and righteous indignation bubbling below the surface. That is part of all of us-raw emotion.

You cut the head of a chicken, you can cut the head off a lion.

17   lostand confused   2015 Jul 31, 11:04am  

SoftShell says

People who hunt for sport just have the desire to kill something

People who hunt for sport just are in tune with nature. Unlike the fat slobs who buy from factory farmed animals. At least they can do their own killing, instead of eating a burger from something that some one killed and then being outraged over some thing they saw on TV.

18   lostand confused   2015 Jul 31, 11:06am  

SoftShell says

You answered your own question...

lostand confused says

What difference does it make if a lion is ripped apart by other lions or shot by a dentist????

lostand confused says

Animals and us are not that far apart. Except we evolved away from that and have learnt to bend the environments around us.

Nope. We evolved away from that to become the super predator. WE are still in the cycle of life-but we control most aspects. WE are higher than a lion in the food chain.

19   dublin hillz   2015 Jul 31, 12:07pm  

It takes an unbelievable level of psychopathic tendencies to pay 50Gs to kill the lion. Some people do things simply because they can, that's how they derive power to feed their primitive beast inside. I would show him to mercy and mete out appropriate punishment to him - I would feed him to the lions and make it a public spectacle and enjoy the whole thing with 5 shots of Russian Standard.

20   MAGA   2015 Jul 31, 12:13pm  

How about all these In-N-Out people? Think about all the cows that are no longer with us.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/DXTo-9R7noQ

21   dublin hillz   2015 Jul 31, 12:16pm  

jvolstad says

How about all these In-N-Out people? Think about all the cows that are no longer with us

The underlying motivation is completely different so the attempt at moral equivalency breaks down.

22   MAGA   2015 Jul 31, 12:22pm  

dublin hillz says

The underlying motivation is completely different so the attempt at moral equivalency breaks down.

A former girlfriend of mine would disagree. She thinks eating meat is murder. Dairy products are not much better.

PETA and Vegan.

:-/

23   EBGuy   2015 Jul 31, 12:41pm  

Strawman says: Surprisingly, US does have an extradition treaty with Zimbabwe. Who would have thought.
Well, they do use our money. One of the few countries you can go to and not have to trade US dollars for the local currency.

24   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2015 Jul 31, 1:20pm  

I give money every year to the WWF, to fund conservation efforts, because I care about conservation of habitat and species. I don't give money to PETA. Those are different orgs with different agendas.

The issues of killing lions and raising farm animals are very different. Species scarcity is an ecological and conservation issue. Raising farm animals for meat is an ethical issue with other ecological impacts. So there is no inconsistency to care about one issue and not the other.

25   lostand confused   2015 Jul 31, 1:31pm  

dublin hillz says

I would feed him to the lions and make it a public spectacle and enjoy the whole thing with 5 shots of Russian Standard.

dublin hillz says

It takes an unbelievable level of psychopathic tendencies to

It is amazing how they don't see themselves.

26   HydroCabron   2015 Jul 31, 1:37pm  

lostand confused says

Unlike the fat slobs who buy from factory farmed animals.

If you squint real hard at these photos, you can see the bulk and definition that come from long training workouts and the grueling fitness regimen necessary for optimum performance in sport hunting.

27   dublin hillz   2015 Jul 31, 2:14pm  

lostand confused says

It is amazing how they don't see themselves.

That's the argument that's used by death penalty opponents to justify sparing murderers because if we don't we will be just like them. The bottom line is that this psychopath murdered for sport a completely innocent creature that was gonna cause him no harm and he did it for no other reason than because he could. This personality profile is consistent with rampaging dictators like hitler and stalin. These people need to be dealt with severely to restore a balance in the world that they themselves destroyed with their heinous misdeeds.

28   lostand confused   2015 Jul 31, 2:26pm  

dublin hillz says

That's the argument that's used by death penalty opponents to justify sparing murderers because if we don't we will be just like them

You are being ridiculous-typical animal rights activist-equating animal with human. Somebody shot a lion-oh how horrible. Oh yeah, lets catch him,. torture him and make him die a miserable death-oh look how holy and exalted I am . That meme has been done since the witchcraft trial days. it is why I like animals-they are so honest in life and death. Unlike humans who are so convioluted.dublin hillz says

The bottom line is that this psychopath murdered for sport a completely innocent creature that was gonna cause him no harm and he did it for no other reason than because he could.

Yeah so? How is a lion innocent-what does that even mean in a wild animal concept???/dublin hillz says

These people need to be dealt with severely to restore a balance in the world that they themselves destroyed with their heinous misdeeds.This personality profile is consistent with rampaging dictators like hitler and stalin

Nah the last quote describes your profile correctly. It shows the depths of your murderous feelings towards your fellow men for some perceived injustice. That is what allows Hitler/Stalin to conduct their massacres-your attitude of being absolutely right in your position and willing to kill for it-a psychopath if ever there was any.

29   Y   2015 Jul 31, 4:31pm  

There is no 'sport' in using a gun to shoot anything alive.
Use the hands you were born with, or don't kill at all.
Anything else is just demonstrating your cowardice.

30   dublin hillz   2015 Jul 31, 4:37pm  

lostand confused says

You are being ridiculous-typical animal rights activist-equating animal with human.

What you are not acknowledging is that he very likely would have paid for the opportunity to kill a human if he could get away with it. It's the logical next step. This sort of mindset is extremely dangerous and needs to be addressed immediately and with efficiency to punish the transgressor.

31   Strategist   2015 Jul 31, 10:08pm  

lostand confused says

The bottom line is that this psychopath murdered for sport a completely innocent creature that was gonna cause him no harm and he did it for no other reason than because he could.

Yeah so? How is a lion innocent-what does that even mean in a wild animal concept???

What did the lion do to that asshole? He killed for pleasure and nothing else.
Anyone who gets a thrill by killing is a psycho.

32   lostand confused   2015 Aug 1, 5:12am  

dublin hillz says

What you are not acknowledging is that he very likely would have paid for the opportunity to kill a human if he could get away with it. It's the logical next step. This sort of mindset is extremely dangerous and needs to be addressed immediately and with efficiency to punish the transgressor

What you are not acknowledging is that it is you who are calling for public murder ,making it a spectacle with people watching, while you drink to his torturous death-all over some animal half a world away. It is not his kind one needs to be worried-Theodore Roosevelt was a great hunter and spent months in Africa on a hunting safari-but your kind. Your kind is there throughout history, always pretending to be righteous , yet with hate, anger and raw emotions bubbling beneath the surface and when an opportunity presents itself where the public agrees-wether that be witches or now hunters-you folks are ready to kill, mass murder and enjoy the savagery of butchering your fellow men.

I mean I know you are high on your self righteousness, but really who is more dangerous-a man who hunts animals or a man who calls for the torture and death of your fellow men-making it a spectacle and drinking to it. YOu are calling for something even more brutal than sport hunting of humans. I am sure the witch burners would have been bathed in their righteousness as they burned witches at the stake and enjoyed the sight of murdering humans-just like you are calling for.

33   lostand confused   2015 Aug 1, 5:16am  

Strategist says

What did the lion do to that asshole? He killed for pleasure and nothing else.

Anyone who gets a thrill by killing is a psycho

The lion did not do anything-the same for meat animals who never do anything to their handlers. Wether it is hunted for meat or sport-to the animal death is the outcome-makes no difference to the animal. Well the wild ones actually lived a life, unlike factory farmed critters. I am sure you think Lion king is real? it is an animal that has killed thousands of animals and met its death as it lived its life-in the hands of another hunter. Brutal savage life taken by another brutal, savage being-what more can you ask for?? Hunting has been around for ever and it will be-thankfully other countries are not as dumb as the western ones and thankfully in the United states there are states like TX and others where this activity will thrive.

Get off your soapbox-innocent animal-what's next animals will have to follow human mating habits, have gender roles reassigned. Life is savage, we are born, we don't know how long we will live and one day we will be dead-gone for ever. Humans have sanitized this and tried to make a story that lets us live as far away from nature as possible. Wild animals live in that raw world-every time they go take a drink of water they risk their lives, everytime they sleep, they risk of their lives, everytime they put their head down to graze, they risk their lives-death is the only constant , perpetually stalking them, ripping and eating their young and old in front of them. Some humans wish to partake of that world and reconnect with nature-not the Disney world created by man-good for them

34   Y   2015 Aug 1, 5:22am  

1:10

https://www.youtube.com/embed/IlbP18PmCj8

dublin hillz says

What you are not acknowledging is that he very likely would have paid for the opportunity to kill a human if he could get away with it. It's the logical next step.

lostand confused says

What you are not acknowledging is that it is you who are calling for public murder ,making it a spectacle with people watching, while you drink to his torturous death-all over some animal half a world away.

35   lostand confused   2015 Aug 1, 5:27am  

Figures, some stupid Hollywood movie gives you so much meaning and context.

36   Y   2015 Aug 1, 5:31am  

why don't you just go grab your gun and shoot a gerbil? It apparently will make you feel better about yourself...

lostand confused says

Figures, some stupid Hollywood movie gives you so much meaning and context.

37   lostand confused   2015 Aug 1, 5:36am  

SoftShell says

why don't you just go grab your gun and shoot a gerbil? It apparently will make you feel better about yourself...

lostand confused says

Nope. I don't need to shoot anything to feel better about myself. Pretty happy and content in my skin. You and your kind need to find something to feel so self righteous and caught up in some bigger issue to make yourself feel bigger than the tiny human self.perhaps you should try hunting or some other avenue to experience nature in the raw and how insignificant we really are in the grand scheme of things. or maybe just go get high or drunk??

38   Y   2015 Aug 1, 5:46am  

you are completely off base.
some people just appreciate life in all it's forms. Nothing self-righteous about that.
I have no problem knocking off something that is physically threatening you, or if you are starving and need food.
If, however, you have the urge to beat your chest by killing something that is not an immediate threat to you, better that you go take an executive position at Planned Parenthood...

lostand confused says

You and your kind need to find something to feel so self righteous

39   Y   2015 Aug 1, 5:52am  

Do you have any pets?

lostand confused says

you should try hunting or some other avenue to experience nature in the raw

40   Strategist   2015 Aug 1, 8:26am  

lostand confused says

The lion did not do anything-the same for meat animals who never do anything to their handlers. Wether it is hunted for meat or sport-to the animal death is the outcome-makes no difference to the animal. Well the wild ones actually lived a life, unlike factory farmed critters. I am sure you think Lion king is real? it is an animal that has killed thousands of animals and met its death as it lived its life-in the hands of another hunter. Brutal savage life taken by another brutal, savage being-what more can you ask for?? Hunting has been around for ever and it will be-thankfully other countries are not as dumb as the western ones and thankfully in the United states there are states like TX and others where this activity will thrive.

Aren't you really equating animals to humans here?
You have not given a single convincing excuse to justify humans killing for sport or thrills. Hunting for thrills is cruel and unnecessary. Opposition to this madness grows everyday, and it's just a matter of time before hunting is completely outlawed. In the end, there is no stopping the will of the people.

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