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If you accept that strategy you better be willing to accept a few million Jews as immigrants(and accept the death of any non Muslims in the Middle East).
If you accept that strategy you better be willing to accept a few million Jews as immigrants(and accept the death of any non Muslims in the Middle East).
Agreed, or Israel, being outnumbered, resorting to the nuclear plus carpet bombing option until they are not outnumbered anymore. Could go either way. The article does raise some good points though.
I wonder how much of that would be true if it were not continually created by the Arafat, Albright types
The only way for a country to survive is to attack a sovereign nation with superior military power without a declaration of war.
It's worked so well in the past & the people so appreciated massive devastation in their towns.
If a nation uses nuclear weapons it had better make sure the radiation stays in the exact location or other nations might not be happy if any reaches their territory.
Warmongers need to work harder to bring war to the homeland. Get off your asses!
Why not let Israel pull the trigger? Given the hostility of their neighbors, they can justify doing so. We gave them the tools, but they've shown the restraint that the Muslims never would have.
But the real situation is far more complex. We have to keep warring on the enemies of Saudi Arabia, otherwise our deal with them for continuing the petro dollar is off, our currency takes a massive plunge, and we enter a deeper Depression than we've ever seen.
We have to keep warring on the enemies of Saudi Arabia, otherwise our deal with them for continuing the petro dollar is off, our currency takes a massive plunge, and we enter a deeper Depression than we've ever seen.
i disagree.
we could actually get along just fine without saudi oil after a period of adjustment to local oil and electric cars (ultimately powered by coal, nuclear, solar, whatever).
and the whole world would be safer too without as much money going to saudi arabia.
but it means many rich interests in the US would lose temporarily until we got it all worked out. especially the bush family, which manages to have their tongues both down the throats and up the asses of the saudis at the same time.
There's a large mostly-Christian nation with plenty of oil. If only our stupid Neoliberals could only give up their hatred of it and their hard on to split it into three or more countries like they discussed in "The Grand Chessboard", the West's problems with oil are solved for a century.
There's a large mostly-Christian nation with plenty of oil.
ok, i don't know which one you mean. russia?
In this conflict, the West generally appears to enjoy the advantage of clear-cut military superiority. By almost any measure, we are stronger than our adversaries. Our arsenals are bigger, our weapons more sophisticated, our generals better educated in the art of war, our fighters better trained at waging it.
Yet most of this has proven to be irrelevant. Time and again the actual employment of that ostensibly superior military might has produced results other than those intended or anticipated. Even where armed intervention has achieved a semblance of tactical success — the ousting of some unsavory dictator, for example — it has yielded neither reconciliation nor willing submission nor even sullen compliance. Instead, intervention typically serves to aggravate, inciting further resistance. Rather than putting out the fires of radicalism, we end up feeding them.
This sounds exactly like what our relationship was to communism for 70 plus years, especially regarding Vietnam, with only the substitution of the words "Islam" or "Muslim". Americans no longer have the will for all-out mobilization which is what would be necessary: a males only draft with no exemptions, building munitions instead of cars, gas and food rationing and other deprivations (eggless, butterless, sugarless, milkless cakes), banners over high school graduations that read "When Duty Calls and Says 'thou must', Youth Replies and Say 'I Shall'",dreary music, enlisting the help of everyone from first graders collecting scrap to old people making bandages, propaganda coming from every movie or TV show, in a determined unity that this country will never see again.
There's a large mostly-Christian nation with plenty of oil. If only our stupid Neoliberals could only give up their hatred of it and their hard on to split it into three or more countries like they discussed in "The Grand Chessboard", the West's problems with oil are solved for a century.
Check out Dmytro Sinchenko article on September 8, 2014 about this. http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/09/03/expecting-world-war-iii-how-the-world-will-change/#arvlbdata
Check out Dmytro Sinchenko article on September 8, 2014 about this. http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/09/03/expecting-world-war-iii-how-the-world-will-change/#arvlbdata
Okay, let me hold my nose and check out the Banderastani Svidomite website.
Yeah, about what I expected. They had this earlier on their site:

http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/11/15/in-the-wake-of-paris-bombings-shelling-in-the-donbas-resumes/
By Andrew J. Bacevich NOVEMBER 14, 2015
French President Francois Hollande's response to Friday's vicious terrorist attacks, now attributed to ISIS, was immediate and uncompromising. “We are going to lead a war which will be pitiless,” he vowed.
Whether France itself possesses the will or the capacity to undertake such a war is another matter. So too is the question of whether further war can provide a remedy to the problem at hand: widespread disorder roiling much of the Greater Middle East and periodically spilling into the outside world.
It's not as if the outside world hasn't already given pitiless war a try. The Soviet Union spent all of the 1980s attempting to pacify Afghanistan and succeeded only in killing a million or so Afghans while creating an incubator for Islamic radicalism. Beginning in 2003, the United States attempted something similar in Iraq and ended up producing similarly destabilizing results. By the time US troops withdrew in 2011, something like 200,000 Iraqis had died, most of the them civilians. Today Iraq teeters on the brink of disintegration.
Perhaps if the Russians had tried harder or the Americans had stayed longer they might have achieved a more favorable outcome. Yet that qualifies as a theoretical possibility at best. Years of fighting in Afghanistan exhausted the Soviet Union and contributed directly to its subsequent collapse. Years of fighting in Iraq used up whatever “Let's roll!” combativeness Americans may have entertained in the wake of 9/11.
Today, notwithstanding the Obama administration's continuing appetite for military piddling — airstrikes, commando raids, and advisory missions — few Americans retain any appetite for undertaking further large-scale hostilities in the Islamic world. Fewer still will sign up to follow President Hollande in undertaking any new crusade. Their reluctance to do so is understandable and appropriate.
The fact is that United States and its European allies, to include France, face a perplexing strategic conundrum. Collectively they find themselves locked in a protracted conflict with Islamic radicalism, with ISIS but one manifestation of a much larger phenomenon. Prospects for negotiating an end to that conflict anytime soon appear to be nil. Alas, so too do prospects of winning it.
In this conflict, the West generally appears to enjoy the advantage of clear-cut military superiority. By almost any measure, we are stronger than our adversaries. Our arsenals are bigger, our weapons more sophisticated, our generals better educated in the art of war, our fighters better trained at waging it.
Yet most of this has proven to be irrelevant. Time and again the actual employment of that ostensibly superior military might has produced results other than those intended or anticipated. Even where armed intervention has achieved a semblance of tactical success — the ousting of some unsavory dictator, for example — it has yielded neither reconciliation nor willing submission nor even sullen compliance. Instead, intervention typically serves to aggravate, inciting further resistance. Rather than putting out the fires of radicalism, we end up feeding them.
In proposing to pour yet more fuel on that fire, Hollande demonstrates a crippling absence of imagination, one that has characterized recent Western statesmanship more generally when it comes to the Islamic world. There, simply trying harder won't suffice as a basis of policy.
It's past time for the West, and above all for the United States as the West's primary military power, to consider trying something different.
Rather than assuming an offensive posture, the West should revert to a defensive one. Instead of attempting to impose its will on the Greater Middle East, it should erect barriers to protect itself from the violence emanating from that quarter. Such barriers will necessarily be imperfect, but they will produce greater security at a more affordable cost than is gained by engaging in futile, open-ended armed conflicts. Rather than vainly attempting to police or control, this revised strategy should seek to contain.
Such an approach posits that, confronted with the responsibility to do so, the peoples of the Greater Middle East will prove better equipped to solve their problems than are policy makers back in Washington, London, or Paris. It rejects as presumptuous any claim that the West can untangle problems of vast historical and religious complexity to which Western folly contributed. It rests on this core principle: Do no (further) harm.
Hollande views the tragedy that has befallen Paris as a summons to yet more war. The rest of us would do well to see it as a moment to reexamine the assumptions that have enmeshed the West in a war that it cannot win and should not perpetuate.
Andrew J. Bacevich is a professor emeritus at Boston University. His new book “America's War for the Greater Middle East: A Military History'' will appear in April 2016.
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2015/11/14/paris-attacks-andrew-bacevich-war-west-cannot-win/UVlV0AsL8ddnE8L5gJaTXO/story.html