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57% of Republicans support making Christianity the national religion


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2015 Nov 17, 4:12pm   25,697 views  58 comments

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A majority of Republicans nationally support establishing Christianity as the national religion, according to a new Public Policy Polling survey released Tuesday.

The poll by the Democratic-leaning firm found that 57 percent of Republicans "support establishing Christianity as the national religion" while 30 percent are opposed. Another 13 percent said they were not sure.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/poll-57-percent-republicans-christianity-national-religion

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1   Tenpoundbass   2015 Nov 17, 4:15pm  

Florida's state bird is the Mocking Bird but not everybody owns one.

2   HydroCabron   2015 Nov 17, 4:28pm  

Tenpoundbass says

Florida's state bird is the Mocking Bird but not everybody owns one.

Translation: Enshrining wingnut values and giving them the force of law is, by definition, small government.

Giggle!

3   Tenpoundbass   2015 Nov 17, 4:33pm  

NO I thought I was going for, "Never kick a terd on a hot day".

It's been getting hotter from global warming, and this terd has been getting softer and softer, and the softer it got the more you kicked it. Now you've got shit on your foot and the worm has turned. Now the hot shit is going to kick you for a while.

When you Meddle hard you must Mettle harder!

4   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Nov 17, 4:37pm  

HydroCabron says

The poll by the Democratic-leaning firm found that 57 percent of Republicans "support establishing Christianity as the national religion" while 30 percent are opposed. Another 13 percent said they were not sure.

Horrible. A vague declaration of non-denominational broad Christianity being the official religion? My goodness, what happens if we actually went further than that and picked a specific sect of Christianity (like Episcopalianism), or worse, provided state funding. We might become authoritarian fascist states like Norway, Finland or Denmark.

In truth, given the history of those countries, it would probably kill off religion faster than anything else. The Church of Norway doesn't exactly pack 'em in on Sundays.

5   HydroCabron   2015 Nov 17, 4:46pm  

thunderlips11 says

In truth, given the history of those countries, it would probably kill off religion faster than anything else. The Church of Norway doesn't exactly pack 'em in on Sundays.

Hey, if you're open to such radical thinking, why not let countries with Russian minorities govern themselves without military invasion from Russia?

6   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Nov 17, 4:49pm  

HydroCabron says

Hey, if you're open to such radical thinking, why not let countries with Russian minorities govern themselves without military invasion from Russia?

Russia invaded the Baltics? When this happen?

7   HydroCabron   2015 Nov 17, 4:52pm  

thunderlips11 says

Russia invaded the Baltics? When this happen?

The day ain't over yet!

8   resistance   2015 Nov 17, 5:19pm  

What percent of those Christians advocate beheading for those who leave Christianity? Or for insulting jesus? Which ones want to end democracy?

Which ones travel to foreign countries and machine gun crowds of teenagers, deliberately self organizing groups to kill as many random non Christians as possible?

Christianity has mild elements of intolerance. but intolerance of all others is central to islam.

Good quote about the difference : "Islam is just like Christianity, only much MUCH worse."

9   HydroCabron   2015 Nov 17, 5:54pm  


What percent of those Christians advocate beheading for those who leave Christianity? Or for insulting jesus? Which ones want to end democracy?

For hundreds of years, most Christians did. European governments drew and quartered people - worse than any means of execution ISIS has yet stooped to. Both Catholic and Protestant churches burned people alive.

By your logic, any nation was suicidal to allow Chistians to cross its borders, as Chistians would surely never think past the barbaric injunctions in their scriptures (which have no problem with slavery and other awful practices).

Somehow it worked out differently. Most modern Christians are perfectly decent people.

10   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Nov 17, 6:10pm  

We hear a lot about the Republican ‘War on Women.’ It’s not cool Rush Limbaugh called somebody a slut. Okay. But Saudi women can’t vote, or drive, or hold a job, or leave the house without a man. Overwhelming majorities in every Muslim country say a wife is always obliged to obey her husband. That all seems like a bigger issue than evangelical Christian bakeries refusing to make gay wedding cakes.

...

"But you lose your shit when somebody refers to Chaz Bono by the wrong pronoun"


https://www.youtube.com/embed/JDFrNQAjDYA

Seriously. Some bigot refuses to make a cake, versus the execution of Homosexuals.

Yes, Homosexuality = Death is part of *modern* Islam.
http://islamqa.info/en/38622

11   Strategist   2015 Nov 17, 6:16pm  

thunderlips11 says

Seriously. Some bigot refuses to make a cake, versus the execution of Homosexuals.

Yes, Homosexuality = Death is part of *modern* Islam.

So Georgie's won't be opening a branch in Saudi Arabia. Very sad.

12   resistance   2015 Nov 17, 6:24pm  

HydroCabron says

European governments drew and quartered people

which government, ever in history, anywhere (until modern historically-christian countries like sweden) did not kill people? if you're trying to say christianity is inherently even remotely as violent as islam, you're failing.

perhaps you are being deliberately obtuse because the obvious conclusion is unacceptable: that islam is inherently violently intolerant and the direct cause of most terrorism on earth.

it's nice you don't want to offend them, but you know, they are instructed explicitly not to give a shit about you, you non-jizya payer you. islam is the only (?) religion that never once says to love everyone regardless of their religion. in fact, it's just the opposite: they are instructed specifically not to be friends with jews and christians, and if you're an athiest, well, you know the answer to that.

jesus's best known saying: love your neighbor as your self
mohammed?

13   Strategist   2015 Nov 17, 6:25pm  

thunderlips11 says

We hear a lot about the Republican ‘War on Women.’ It’s not cool Rush Limbaugh called somebody a slut. Okay. But Saudi women can’t vote, or drive, or hold a job, or leave the house without a man. Overwhelming majorities in every Muslim country say a wife is always obliged to obey her husband. That all seems like a bigger issue than evangelical Christian bakeries refusing to make gay wedding cakes.

I loved that video.
Hey Dan, I just found out I'm a damn librul. Makes me sick.

14   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Nov 17, 6:27pm  


perhaps you are being deliberately obtuse because the obvious conclusion is unacceptable: that islam is inherently currently violently intolerant and the direct cause of most terrorism on earth.

Fixed.

All of the "500 years ago, explicitly Christian states burned books" does not take away from the the fact that "Private Video: Interracial Sissy Trannies Gangbanged My BBW Czech Amateur Wife Volume XXIII" is freely available all over the Western World.

Again, a couple of dumbasses refusing to bake a cake != executing gays, "witches", and "Sorcerers".

15   Strategist   2015 Nov 17, 6:33pm  

HydroCabron says

For hundreds of years, most Christians did. European governments drew and quartered people - worse than any means of execution ISIS has yet stooped to. Both Catholic and Protestant churches burned people alive.

Every time we point out sick Islamic practices, some one comments about bad things Christians did 500 years ago.
When I say Mohammad slaughtered a 100 people in Paris, you say John slaughtered 1000 in 1405. My question is, who the hell is John, and what has he got to do with Mohammad slaughtering a 100 people today?
I keep hearing that from liberals who simply refuse to see the threat we face today is from Islam, not from Christianity or any other religion.

16   resistance   2015 Nov 17, 6:42pm  

actually, not fixed.

islam really is inherently violently intolerant in a way that christianity is not.

islam can perhaps be reformed, similar to the way that christians overruled the harsher rules of the old testament (stoning gays, for example) but there is no real sign of that anywhere. problem is, attempting to reform islam is itself punishable by death according to islam.

see the case of mahmoud taha: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Mohammed_Taha

17   resistance   2015 Nov 17, 6:43pm  

Strategist says

I keep hearing that from liberals who simply refuse to see the threat we face today is from Islam, not from Christianity or any other religion.

point them to this:

http://www.faisalalmutar.com/2015/11/16/i-am-a-jihadist-and-i-am-tired-of-not-being-given-credit/

at least they might get a laugh out of their own ignorance.

18   Y   2015 Nov 17, 6:54pm  

When they passed "Go"...

thunderlips11 says

Russia invaded the Baltics? When this happen?

19   marcus   2015 Nov 17, 8:34pm  


if you're trying to say christianity is inherently even remotely as violent as islam, you're failing.

I don't think he failed. He was comparing behavior of the most extreme Muslims today, to the crusades and Inquisition. Just because true Christianity doesn't sanction atrocities and genocide, doesn't mean that plenty of such behavior hasn't been justified by Christianity. How do you think most of the people that went along with the holocaust justified it, if not by the fact that those killed were Jews (Christian version of infidels in some places and times) ? How do you think Americans slept at night while genocide of native Americans was occurring ? OF course it was the knowledge that they were primitive heathens, non Christians, and therefore subhuman that made it okay,or at least easier to live with.

I don't believe that true Islam sanctions such behavior either. Although like our bible, slavery is advocated and in war times all kinds of behaviors are sanctioned, and it is in part a plan for expanding the religion. Their motive is the expansion of Islam, much like the motive of the crusades was the expansion of Catholicism.

We've evolved past that behavior and feel that we're better than that now, and in fact we are. Although the fundamentalist Christians are kind of an echo of those times. Fundamentalist Muslims are a worse kind of echo of medieval insanity.

The question is how do you keep it's (the extremist radicals) growth in check or help it gradually die off.

Fear and hate might not be the best answer. And since you brought it up.


jesus's best known saying: love your neighbor as your self

Maybe rather than citing this as proof that "our religion is better than theirs is," we could think of how we might put that into practice in this situation.

What would Jesus do ?

20   NDrLoR   2015 Nov 17, 8:44pm  

marcus says

I don't believe that true Islam sanctions such behavior either

I do.

marcus says

We've evolved past that behavior

But they haven't. We are two entirely different cultures, their's still in the 13th century or some ancient, barbaric one at least. They will buy Toyota pickups all day long and use the latest electronic equipment, but their hearts and minds are still in the ancient days of stoning people for sexual misconduct and blood oaths and holding grudges for hundreds of years as was common in what we call Biblical times which date back probably 3,000 years in the Old Testament since Christianity is about 2,000 years old. As bad as communism and naziism were, they existed within a Western context that we can understand--one the justification for hatred based on race (naziism), the other justification for hatred based on class. There was nothing religious about either and neither ones would have killed themselves in support of their ideology as Muslims do.

21   resistance   2015 Nov 17, 8:45pm  

marcus says

I don't believe that true Islam sanctions such behavior either.

wow, that's just so spectacularly wrong, it's hard to know where to start.

i don't need to start. you need to start reading about islam so you know what you're talking about.

22   marcus   2015 Nov 17, 8:54pm  


YOU need to start reading about islam so you know what you're talking about.

I would say the same about you.

The most you can claim is that out of the billions of peace loving Muslims in the world, too many are sympathetic with those that would revert to medieval practices. YOu're gonna say, yeah, b-b-b-ut our 3 million Islamic folk are different than them. Etc. I've read plenty.

If you look really hard on the internet, you can even find how several of the most popular quotes from the Koran justifying violence against infidels are taken out of context.

That is if YOU feel like educating YOURSELF.

But I'll acknowledge just like our bible, there's a bunch of fucked up stuff in the Koran. So ? I'll also agree that our religious tradition is better than theirs..

Look, I'm not defending it ? Who are you Dan ? Are you going to intentionally miss my point because you found one sentence you can jump on ?

marcus says

The question is how do you keep it's (the extremist radicals) growth in check or help it gradually die off.

Fear and hate might not be the best answer. And since you brought it up.


jesus's best known saying: love your neighbor as your self

Maybe rather than citing this as proof that "our religion is better than theirs is," we could think of how we might put that into practice in this situation.

What would Jesus do ?

23   marcus   2015 Nov 17, 8:54pm  

I notice that instead of responding to this, Patrick wants to focus on how I need to educate myself.

marcus says

The question is how do you keep it's (the extremist radicals) growth in check or help it gradually die off.

Fear and hate might not be the best answer. And since you brought it up.


jesus's best known saying: love your neighbor as your self

Maybe rather than citing this as proof that "our religion is better than theirs is," we could think of how we might put that into practice in this situation.

What would Jesus do ?

24   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Nov 17, 8:59pm  


islam really is inherently violently intolerant in a way that christianity is not.

It was the last version of Monotheism and it certainly was engineered to plug all theological holes and create a book very useful binding together a raiding/trading Arabic society to conquer the world.

Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

In the OT Yahweh's dumb rules are only binding on Jews and everybody else can do whatever they want. In Christianity, Jesus comes when he comes, but you gotta tell everybody about it. In Islam, Islamists MUST destroy all unbelief to bring about heaven on Earth.

There's really not a lot of wiggle room, there's about 100 clear passages about death and, explicitly, terror and torture, to disbelievers, the obligation of Jihad (which has ALWAYS been understood as warfare since Mohammed himself was alive) including not only pagans but Monotheists who refuse to be Dhimmis.

25   HydroCabron   2015 Nov 17, 9:00pm  

Strategist says

Every time we point out sick Islamic practices, some one comments about bad things Christians did 500 years ago.

The point is not that Christianity did those things, it's that they did them and then they stopped, usually within 2-3 generations. Cultural change and enlightenment, once started, can occur in a flash.

Patrick believes that (A) all Muslims nurture violent Muslims, and (B) violent Muslims will continue to be violent for generations, even those who are being removed from a Thar culture of clan-based feuding, extreme violence to repay personal insults, and utter subjugation of women.

This is both untrue, and a tool for the real enemies we face - wealthy Christian, Muslim and Hindu oligarchs - to divert us from solving the greatest threat to our existence, which is the destruction of our environment.

If a raghead becomes a problem, you can waste him before he kills too many people. Guns ain't gonna fix what the Koch Bros are doing to us.

The idea that ignorant fanatics are an existential threat to Europe or the United States is beyond laughable. It's like a stupidity test.

But some middle-aged men, as they watch their bodies deteriorate, tend to confuse that with the deterioration of the social order and the world at large. It may be that certain fear centers in the brain become more dominant in some of us as we age. For whatever reason, many middle-aged and elderly people need to believe that there are "others" - groups of outsiders - who will destroy the world that they have known. This was behind much of the warblogger activity in 2002-2005, and Patrick has decided to join the Keyboard Kommandos - fighting Islam - a dozen years after the fact.

Having seen the "fruits" of their labors last time around, I'm gonna call a spade a spade.

Patrick, you're full of shit.

26   marcus   2015 Nov 17, 9:11pm  


marcus says

I don't believe that true Islam sanctions such behavior either.

wow, that's just so spectacularly wrong, it's hard to know where to start.

SO all of the Islamic clerics that have spoken out saying that these recent atrocities are not the acts of true Muslims are lying ? DO they not believe what they are saying, just as much as you believe that Jesus is so much more awesome than Mohammed ?

27   Patrick   2015 Nov 17, 9:15pm  

marcus says

What would Jesus do ?

jesus would die all over again, because they would kill him when he told them that mohammed was not actually a prophet. and they would kill him exactly because that's what mohammed himself would do.

but jesus would die in a very compassionate loving way, with perhaps a small chance of convincing them of the truth.

whereas i myself just blurt out the truth and get annoyed at the people who have not been doing their homework.

28   resistance   2015 Nov 17, 9:19pm  

HydroCabron says

Having seen the "fruits" of their labors last time around, I'm gonna call a spade a spade.

you haven't been doing your homework either.

i never called for bombing or shooting. where did you get that idea?

i just call for doing your homework and telling the truth about islam.

marcus says

SO all of the Islamic clerics that have spoken out saying that these recent atrocities are not the acts of true Muslims are lying ?

yes, in fact they are lying. you'd know that if you did a bit of reading.

29   marcus   2015 Nov 17, 9:19pm  

thunderlips11 says

There's really not a lot of wiggle room,

Wtf ?

Here are 7 different translations of your selected verse 8:39

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=8&verse=39

IT's not wiggle room. It's more like room for a earthquake of level 8 on the richtor scale.

30   resistance   2015 Nov 17, 9:20pm  

marcus says

Here are 7 different translations of your selected verse 8:39

http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=8&verse=39

excellent! a tiny bit of critical thought! a glimmer of hope. please please continue.

31   marcus   2015 Nov 17, 9:22pm  


excellent! a tiny bit of critical thought!

Who's the arrogant prick here ?

32   Patrick   2015 Nov 17, 9:23pm  

marcus says

Who's the arrogant prick here ?

bingo.

33   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Nov 17, 9:23pm  

Great, which one of these from YOUR link applies?

Sahih International: And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah. And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do.

Pickthall: And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is all for Allah. But if they cease, then lo! Allah is Seer of what they do.

Yusuf Ali: And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.

Shakir: And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.

Muhammad Sarwar: Fight them so that idolatry will not exist any more and God's religion will stand supreme. If theygive up the idols), God will be Well Aware of what they do.

Mohsin Khan: And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.

Arberry: Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely; then if they give over, surely God sees the things they do;

What happens when Buddhists and Hindus and Norse Pagans and Catholic Icon Lovers continue in their Idol Worship? A loving verbal reprimand from the local Imam?
Don't be naive.

https://www.youtube.com/embed/QyT9jTW7MHc

34   marcus   2015 Nov 17, 9:31pm  

What does "fight" even mean to most Muslims reguarding this ?

I'll refer to an expert:

but almost all Muslims understand this verse to mean that they can fight to end oppression as well as to establish conditions where they can freely worship God. This is further explained by Hadith where it says that if you see evil, stop it by hand; if you cannot stop it by hand, stop it by your tongue; and if you cannot do that either, then consider that to be evil in your heart. And if you go back to verse 8:34 where kuffar are warned to stop preventing Muslims from performing pilgrimage, the latter part of the verse “and religion is for Allah alone,” makes perfect sense_ the idea being that in al-Masjid al-Haram only God is to be worshipped [the idea being explicitly stated in verse 2:191 which sets the stage for verse 2:193, which is identical to verse 8:39].

https://controversialislam.wordpress.com/quran-verse-839/

By the way, it doesn't take critical thinking to make a simple observation that someone is reacting from a place of fear, ignorance and hatred. I guess putting together a solid proof of that that nobody could question would require some work, but not much critical thinking.

35   marcus   2015 Nov 17, 9:49pm  


marcus says

SO all of the Islamic clerics that have spoken out saying that these recent atrocities are not the acts of true Muslims are lying ?

yes, in fact they are lying. you'd know that if you did a bit of reading.

Wow. So you don't think there are any Islamic clerics that can say with sincerity and honesty that Islam is a religion of peace. Meaning that their belief system and that what they preach is peace and that they sincerely despise the people that commit violence in the name of Allah.

Remember, before you answer, you're supposedly the one doing the critical thinking here and plenty of reading on this subject. You're the authority here.

36   MisdemeanorRebel   2015 Nov 17, 9:53pm  

https://www.youtube.com/embed/3IEH0BLuDbI

https://www.youtube.com/embed/b5BK0H8Ncbc

https://www.youtube.com/embed/lo6uRwwnFH0

https://www.youtube.com/embed/DekqUosnazE
But remember, Chick-Filet and the Gay Refusenik Cake Bakers, are even worse.

Allah honored women by instituting the correct beating of the women, he prohibited the beating of them in the face unless they are made ugly... only beat her at chest level... not poke her in the eye...
https://www.youtube.com/embed/fDLVbQxhiQQ

The people coming now are not the 3 generations-in-the-British-Service Pakistani MDs, they are ruffian barbarian Rural Hicks from the Time before Time These Hicks make the most toothless Methhead from Appalachia look like Rumpole at high Tea.

37   marcus   2015 Nov 17, 9:54pm  

Here, while you think about your answer.

http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/commonwordcommonlord/2014/08/think-muslims-havent-condemned-isis-think-again.html

http://www.dailysabah.com/europe/2015/11/14/muslim-clerics-defy-isis-condemn-paris-terror-attacks

By the way, do you have the critical thinking skills to understand how much damage events such as those in Paris on Friday do to their religion ? THey can not believe in such acts. They have to hate such acts. Only the most fringe Islamic cleric could ever condone such insanity or think it is what Islam is supposed to be.

38   resistance   2015 Nov 17, 10:01pm  

marcus says

So you don't think there are any Islamic clerics that can say with sincerity and honesty that Islam is a religion of peace. Meaning that their belief system and that what they preach is peace and that they sincerely despise the people that commit violence in the name of Allah.

yup, there are zero islamic clerics who can say with honesty that islam is a religion of peace.

it is in fact the religion of war, which divides the world into conquered and unconquered territory. dar al-harb etc.

now, people do have almost unlimited capacity for self-deception when truth is painful, so the clerics may be sincere in a limited way. meaning that they are telling bits of the truth, the little bits that make them feel better, and that reassure weak-minded westerners, but not anything close to the whole truth. they just aren't going to go there, because it's not in their interest.

39   marcus   2015 Nov 17, 10:02pm  

thunderlips11 says

But remember, Chick-Filet and the Gay Refusenik Cake Bakers, are even worse.

I'm not arguing that it's not a fucked up religion. But good to know you're getting good at using the internet. We've all seen this shit a hundred times.

I'll have to assume that you and Patrick think the best thing for Islamic women is if we close ourselves off from their world entirely, and definitely don't take any of their Syrian refugees in where they can live an American life and set an example to their medieval cousins back in the old country.

40   marcus   2015 Nov 17, 10:07pm  


it is in fact the religion of war, which divides the world into conquered and unconquered territory

"Christian countries" already won the war. But a minority in the Islamic world seem to want to contest the result.

We're still violent, but it can't be directly tied to religion, so you know, that's entirely different.

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