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Islamists attacks on France are attacks against Liberalism

By dublin hillz follow dublin hillz   2016 Jul 15, 3:41pm 2,739 views   9 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/15/why-does-france-keep-getting-attacked

"Undoubtedly, the role France has historically assumed as standard bearer of western secular liberalism has also put the nation in the spotlight. Islamic extremists may see the US as a source of moral decadence and economic exploitation, but France is seen as an atheist power which is both defending western ideals such as human rights, free speech and democracy and, in the eyes of jihadis, trying to impose them on the Islamic world."

"The first big militant attack in France in recent years came earlier however, in 2012, and targeted soldiers and the Jewish community. The next major attack was against the offices of Charlie Hebdo, a satirical magazine which had published controversial cartoons of the prophet Muhammad, deemed insulting by many Muslims. Then came November’s Isis-organised strike against a concert hall, bars and a football stadium – all representative of French life. Finally there is an attack on Bastille Day, with all the history and values it represents."

"Successive governments in Paris have also taken a hard – and much publicised – line on issues such as the wearing of full-body coverings and the veil in public, which has been well noted by Islamic militants. So has the increasingly prominent French military role overseas. French forces have made a series of interventions in the Islamic world in recent years – in Libya, in Mali, where its troops rolled back one of the most successful Islamic militant offensives outside Syria or Iraq for many years, and of course in the coalition against Isis."

"Like other western European nations, France imported large numbers of labourers from former or existing colonies to help with post-war reconstruction, without considering that they would stay, or that they would bring their families to join them. The integration of the resulting communities posed challenges all over the continent, but they were particularly acute in France, not least because of the violence and trauma of the Algerian war of independence. In recent years, as elsewhere in Europe and the Islamic world, rigorous and intolerant strands of Islamic observance have made inroads, as well as, more recently, a new, debased, ultra-violent “gangsta Jihad” culture attractive to a young and often marginalised constituency.

Almost all those involved in violence in France in recent years have had similar profiles – aged between 18 and 36, often with a record of involvement in petty crime, known to police if not security services, often served jail sentences, from backgrounds which if not poverty-stricken were far from wealthy, and with insecure, temporary or poorly paid jobs."

"The “banlieues” or suburbs where many such men grew up or live are often physically and culturally isolated from more wealthy, integrated neighbourhoods. They are certainly very distant from the France of wine and charcuterie, chateaux and cheese. This gap has not been closed by the French policy of “assimilation” rather than multi-cultural integration into the supposedly secular republique, and has, critics say, created fertile ground for polarisation.

And this may be a final reason why Isis has focused on France. The group has been heavily influenced by both millennial thinking, which stresses the imminent final battle between the forces of belief and unbelief, as well as jihadi strategic thinking, which encourages extremists to use violence to destabilise states or nations to allow their eventual conquest."

#politics

1   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch   ignore (56)   2016 Jul 15, 3:52pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

True but how do we make fun of Wahhabanism?

2   HEY YOU   ignore (10)   2016 Jul 15, 4:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Wahhabanism? Is that a new Muslim middle eastern bar-be-que sauce?
Main ingredients being alcohol,pork grease & camel shit.
......

In America,Radical Religious Terrorist(Christian Sharia Law Conservatives) attacking
Liberals?

3   someone else   ignore (0)   2016 Jul 15, 7:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

it's an interesting problem: how much intolerance should a society tolerate?

french and the american ideals are for tolerance, but islam is violently against tolerance. if you don't believe that, try publishing a drawing of mohammed under your own name, or being gay in a muslim society, or even trying to build a church in a muslim society.

so how much islam can france and america tolerate before the society is so islamic that tolerance is destroyed?

but if france and america don't tolerate islam, then they are by definition intolerant anyway.

it's kinda lose-lose. it's almost funny.

4   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2016 Jul 15, 7:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The UK actively has two laws. Monogamy for Native-Born Britons, but immigrants are allowed unlimited marriages; the state will pay benefits to a man's 3 wives and 6 kids, too.

5   someone else   ignore (0)   2016 Jul 15, 8:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

objectively speaking, that is fucked up.

6   MMR   ignore (0)   2016 Jul 15, 8:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

actually they aren't against liberalism as much as it is caused by liberalism.

In short, all people are equal, but some are more equal than others.

7   MMR   ignore (0)   2016 Jul 15, 8:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HEY YOU says

In America,Radical Religious Terrorist(Christian Sharia Law Conservatives) attacking

Liberals?

This guy....again with the disinformation....Islamists are to the far right of your christian bogeymen.

8   MMR   ignore (0)   2016 Jul 15, 8:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

thunderlips11 says

the state will pay benefits to a man's 3 wives and 6 kids, too.

b-b-but, I thought they were brought in for labor and to pay taxes to fund the socialist programs that Britain and the EU are known for.

9   MMR   ignore (0)   2016 Jul 15, 8:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rando says

it's kinda lose-lose. it's almost funny

EU is a pack of losers who destroyed their social fabric by letting freeloading troublemakers into their countries; America, still has time to change the road they're on.


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