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Deniers pretzel logic can explain this.


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2017 Jan 19, 4:07pm   1,615 views  17 comments

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http://www.thebigwobble.org/2017/01/the-sun-hasnt-risen-over-its-horizon.html

The Sun hasn't risen over its horizon for more than two months yet at a balmy -6C +21F the North Pole was yesterday warmer than parts of the South of France, Italy, Greece Turkey and Syria.

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1   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Jan 19, 4:21pm  

In the Northern Hemisphere, the coldest temperature on record is held by Yakutia. At the actual North Pole, the Sea moderates the temperature.
https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attraction_Review-g2541140-d2622677-Reviews-Pole_of_Cold_District_Museum_of_Local_Lore-Verkhoyansk_Sakha_Yakutia_Republic_Fa.html

Town was attacked by hundreds of starving wolves a few years ago.

2   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2017 Jan 19, 5:53pm  

It's called global warming - not warming of spot x, y, or z.
Meanwhile, the global temperature just set a record for the 3rd straight year, which you can find by searching for "warmest year on record"

3   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Jan 19, 5:56pm  

Excellent. Most of the World's landmass is locked up in Tundra, Taiga, and Muskeg. Huge Agra boom on the way.

4   deepcgi   2017 Jan 19, 7:58pm  

If we are worried about C02 and pollution, we should first look at regulating and taxing private aircraft.

(sound of crickets)

Yep. The same response I got from the Let's-All-Panic Crowd at a Climate Change and Economics Conference in DC in 2001.

5   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2017 Jan 20, 3:47am  

deepcgi says

If we are worried about C02 and pollution, we should first look at regulating and taxing private aircraft.

I would agree with this. The simple approach that fits somewhat within the norms of our regulation habits would be to heavily tax the fuel and use the proceeds to finance improvements in public energy infrastructure. This is such a simple and obvious solution, it's painful to watch our society fiddle. The reason it won't be implemented is that a curiously high percentage of our country believes that global warming is a hoax or for some other reason no action is merited.

6   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2017 Jan 20, 3:52am  

T L Lipsovich says

Huge Agra boom on the way.

It doesn't work that way. Regional climate models in the breadbasket show increase precipitation in the winter and decreased precipitation in the summer. Corn doesn't do well with high heat, so the corn belt would have to shift north. But we are already rapidly draining the main water reservoir in the Midwest, so the medium term (50-100 yrs) issue involves water as much as temperature. In addition, cold weather kills bugs, so expect mosquito populations to migrate north and generally get worse in the US. The list goes on. There will be lots of room for agro-science to help adjust, but it will not be all roses.

7   deepcgi   2017 Jan 20, 5:49am  

According to the stats I found, after considering a number of variables, a passenger in a private jet is responsible for roughly the 10 times the carbon as a passenger in a commercial jet. That number can go as high as 30 times.

It is also interesting that a single coast-to-coast flight creates about the same footprint as the average American does in a year in total.

Finally, air travel generates as much 18 percent of the carbon footprint from transportation as a whole.

My take? If they truly cared about the carbon, they'd fly to the Climate Conferences in a crowded jet with the rest of us.

8   Y   2017 Jan 20, 6:03am  

Alternate forms of transportation need to be introduced. Where is liberal silicon valley when you need them?
On second thought...forget it...we'll suffer with the carbon.

www.youtube.com/embed/K5wl3fN67lg

deepcgi says

Finally, air travel generates as much 18 percent of the carbon footprint from transportation as a whole.

9   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2017 Jan 20, 6:06am  

deepcgi says

My take? If they truly cared about the carbon, they'd fly to the Climate Conferences in a crowded jet with the rest of us.

Who is 'they' and what does this have to do with the nature of climate change or what to do about it?

10   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jan 20, 6:06am  

"My take? If they truly cared about the carbon, they'd fly to the Climate Conferences in a crowded jet with the rest of us."

Who's "they"? Is there a rash of climate scientists taking private jets?

(sorry, YesYNot asked first)

11   MMR   2017 Jan 20, 7:40am  

YesYNot says

The reason it won't be implemented is that a curiously high percentage of our country believes that global warming is a hoax or for some other reason no action is merited.

I think he was talking about the Laurie David, Al Gore, Robert Redford types types of the world being hypocrites. Seems obvious, but clearly lost on you

https://www.biggreenradicals.com/nrdcs-big-green-hypocrites/

https://www.aei.org/publication/the-hypocrisy-of-celebrity-environmentalists/

12   MMR   2017 Jan 20, 7:43am  

joeyjojojunior says

Who's "they"? Is there a rash of climate scientists taking private jets?

Environmentalist hypocrites, which is what deepcgi was talking about....People that badger others about not being green enough, but jetset around world in private jet.

Who was talking about climate scientists living high on hog? Not even sure where you got that from.

13   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jan 20, 8:12am  

"Who was talking about climate scientists living high on hog? Not even sure where you got that from."

Well, the quote was that "they" going to the environmental conferences...

Presumably, most of the folks going to environmental conferences are climate scientists.

14   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Jan 20, 9:40am  

YesYNot says

so expect mosquito populations to migrate north and generally get worse in the US.

Mosquitos have always been prevalent in the sub-arctic. Visit Denali or Archangelsk in Summer without a ton of OFF! spray and you'll be sorry.

The Climate Change people propose that everywhere bad things happen, and nowhere are there good effects, which is rubbish. Seeds are activated into growth by soil heat.

YesYNot says

Corn doesn't do well with high heat, so the corn belt would have to shift north

I guess they don't grow much corn in Mexico, eh? Maize is native to Central America, where average temps are well above 70 degrees.

15   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Jan 20, 9:47am  

Oh Canada, now growing the Corn

The snow is piled waist-deep outside the Southern Manitoba Convention Centre as more than 400 farmers gather to consider the once-unthinkable: growing corn on the Canadian prairie.

At one end of the packed auditorium last month in Morris, home of the Red River Wild hockey club, an Ohio farmer brought in by DuPont Co. is making a presentation with a slide that reads “Ear Count 101.” At the other end, Deere & Co. is showing off tractors and other equipment from a booth while Daryl Gross explains planters and corn-dryers to curious men wearing seed caps.

“This is here to stay,” said Gross, who sells CNH Global NV tractors for Southeastern Farm Equipment Ltd. in nearby Steinbach. His customers are increasingly devoting acreage to corn. “There are a lot of guys who are experimenting with it and looking at it,” he said.

Corn is the most common grain in the U.S., with its production historically concentrated in a Midwestern region stretching from the Ohio River valley to Nebraska and trailing off in northern Minnesota. It had been ungrowable in the fertile farmland of Canada’s breadbasket. That is changing as a warming climate, along with the development of faster-maturing seed varieties, turns the table on food cultivation. The Corn Belt is being pushed north of what was imaginable a generation ago.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-04-15/canada-s-climate-warms-to-corn-as-grain-belt-shifts-north

16   joeyjojojunior   2017 Jan 20, 10:21am  

"Oh Canada, now growing the Corn"

So Trump is OK with Canada taking all of our farming jobs?

17   HEY YOU   2017 Jan 20, 10:28am  

https://www.theweathernetwork.com/us/news/articles/climate-and-environment/earth-just-racked-up-its-hottest-year-in-centuries/78312/

We saw this coming throughout all of last year, but now it's official: 2016 is now the hottest year ever recorded for the globe, quite likely going back centuries in time.

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