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That's what the police are for.

Not the US, but still...

Looks like the "Working Class fighting back" ain't all that into Working.

wow.

I've said it for quite a while; most of the folks engaging in this crap are rich white kids trying to be down, trying to get the street cred because the multi million dollar trust fund is just not enough.

Not knocking white people here. I love everybody. It's just that these kids talk sooo much trash about how they are against white privilege and all that when, if it exists, they are the face of it.

thepaine says

It's just that these kids talk sooo much trash about how they are against white privilege and all that when, if it exists, they are the face of it.

They are the only ones still treating Black people like N's.
If I ever use the N word it's solely directed at Liberals white Liberals at that.
I blame the whole black plight in America squarely on the Liberal meddling to use them as political fodder.
They have kept them captive for over 300 years.

The Civil rights era was all about putting black people in check for the Democrat party.
While it is a given Blacks were given greater political standing, to achieve more than what they had before the Civil rights era.
The Democrat politics demands that black communities be subservient to the whims and needs of the Democrat party in cities all across America.
When black people or black communities get to self sufficient they are ostracized, ridiculed and politically attacked to bring back down a notch or two.
Black leaders in America mean Spiritual Black leaders that toe the Liberal line and their agenda. They can be rich and uppity, as long as they can carry thousands of community votes and dependence on the Social systems in America. If they bring nothing but jobs, they are destroyed. When has the Democrat party ever promoted black business leaders that were making a difference in black neighborhoods. They only give support to black people that interlope into businesses though affirmative action. Again a dependent person working through the system that Democrat Liberals approved. They must stay in the lines.
Just imagine if Republican organizations did exactly the same thing that Democrats do with Black communities. They would be calling it for what it is.
Believe it or not before the Civil Rights Era black people in black communities had thriving local economies independent from the mainstream economy.

Buyed by parents indeed.

I'm not calling for segregation here, but they didn't get integration like I'm sure it was sold to them back then.
Because self serving Liberal joker jackasses like Al Sharpton was called their community leaders instead of people like Ben Carson and Herman Cain.

Tenpoundbass says

instead of people like Ben Carson and Herman Cain.

Yes, these are beacons of service and true carriers of intelligent direction for all.

(shocked face goes here)

Yeah, just look at what's going on in Chicago. Rahm Emmanuel could care less about reducing black-on-black murders. He'd rather just sit by and do nothing and watch black men die by the thousands rather than take any political risk by actually policing crime ridden neighborhoods.

No, it's better to keep the black community in chaos and just point the finger at "the man." It's "their" fault. Keep black folks desperate and dependent. As long as you keep them voting for the Democratic party then mission accomplished.

thepaine says

Yeah, just look at what's going on in Chicago. Rahm Emmanuel could care less about reducing black-on-black murders. He'd rather just sit by and do nothing and watch black men die by the thousands rather than take any political risk by actually policing crime ridden neighborhoods.

No, it's better to keep the black community in chaos and just point the finger at "the man." It's "their" fault. Keep black folks desperate and dependent. As long as you keep them voting for the Democratic party then mission accomplished.

What? Politicians would never prey upon and trick their own supporters by blaming something that is politically convenient. To suggest that anyone would do things in public service that are in their own self interest ... well ... that's just so UnAmerican. Our leadership comes from hard dedicated selfless service. Look to the highest offices in the land for true inspirations: dedicated civil servants with impeccable expertise and a drive to better us all.

No one at the higher levels of government would ever be so petty! This must be a problem with city governors. That's why so many are all against Trump. I know it! I feel it.

(smirk)

Wow. Sarcasm. How original.

There are public servants who do the right thing. Rudy Giuliani saved thousands and thousands of young minority lives in NYC by making the streets safe. And they never voted for him but he did it anyways.

It would have been much easier to have been a mayor like Emmanuel.

thepaine says

Wow. Sarcasm. How original.

Aww. You didn't like it? I'm crushed.

thepaine says

Rudy Giuliani saved thousands and thousands of young minority lives in NYC by making the streets safe.

Just one person/police department, in a huge line of things that actually made a difference. NY is no "great man theory" proof.
https://www.city-journal.org/html/how-new-york-became-safe-full-story-13197.html

I understand how the strong authoritarian law and order is a big appeal for people these days. There is a lot of drummed up fear out there.

Yeah, that will always be the liberal position. There is no cause and effect, only a mass of forces that determine our fate. We human beings are powerless and will forever live at the effect of nature. As a great president once said, "You didn't build that!"

Well, I'm a lifelong resident of NYC and I lived through it all. Childhood through adulthood. NYC was an absolute hellhole and mayors Koch and Dinkins because the police were very soft. They didn't do anything. They were just like police in Chicago now.

Of course, Giuliani didn't do it by himself. He could not walk around the streets of NYC arresting all these bad guys by himself. He did it with the police department. With Police Commissioner Bill Bratton. With Deputy Commissioner Jack Maple. They devised the Compstat strategy and they executed. And they saved New York City.

Leadership matters. Decisions matter. Policy matters. Rahm Emmanuel could end the black-on-black massacre in Chicago if he wanted to. But it would come with political blowback, with a political cost, and he could lose his political position.

Rahm Emmanel has decided that he would rather be mayor than do the right thing. The same decision mayors Koch and Dinkins made in NYC.

thepaine says

Leadership matters.

That's very correct. But attribution of credit, especially with complex systems and people, can have far more to do with the situation they inherited and trends already at work.

I believe character is destiny, but "Broken Windows" and Giuliani is overblown hype. It helped, but this is an overly politicized talking point. Unless Gavin Newson was somehow the best tough on crime advocate ever ...

"New York was no anomaly, but was part of a trend that saw crime fall sharply nationwide in the 1990s, particularly in big cities. The city with the best record for reducing violent crime during this period? San Francisco.

Better policing tactics and policies were likely part of it, experts say, but not to the extent Giuliani claims."

Yes, the crack dealers turned in their guns and gave up the trade because they decided to take $5.50 an hour at all those Duane Reades springing up around the city.

Academics always like to make things very complicated. So they can keep publishing them books and papers. Keeps them in the trade.

Portland is a very liberal city too. It's great to see police actually doing their job with just the right amount of force.

You will never catch Bay Area police doing their job like that. Very sad.

I'm glad the police put a stop to these Right Wing infiltrators.

Trump in the White House. Yes, that's bad.

But at least we didn't get a Republican in the Whitehouse!

Rew says

Yes, these are beacons of service and true carriers of intelligent direction for all.

How are they objectively worse for black America than
Sharpton, Jackson or BLM?

thepaine says

Rahm Emmanel has decided that he would rather be mayor than do the right thing

What you think he means when he says "winning is more important than being right"

Partly, it is that winning is the key to making rules, but it also means fighting for incremental change only, at best.

Rew says

thepaine says

Leadership matters.

That's very correct. But attribution of credit, especially with complex systems and people, can have far more to do with the situation they inherited and trends already at work.

I believe character is destiny, but "Broken Windows" and Giuliani is overblown hype. It helped, but this is an overly politicized talking point. Unless Gavin Newson was somehow the best tough on crime advocate ever ...

"New York was no anomaly, but was part of a trend that saw crime fall sharply nationwide in the 1990s, particularly in big cities. The city with the best record for reducing violent crime during this period? San Francisco.

Rather, many criminologists believe the decline in New York, as in Chicago, San Diego, Miami ...

SF is probably in a large part due to what some would call "gentrification", or maybe more correctly just call it the pull cities are having on Gen Y and Millennials, coupled with property appeal. NYC ALSO had/has that major trend moving for it in Giuliani's reign as well as now.

Other great look at "Broken Windows" ...
http://cebcp.org/evidence-based-policing/what-works-in-policing/research-evidence-review/broken-windows-policing/

The problem is, in my opinion, the "tough on crime, law and order" appeal we see right now in the nation has elevated Giuliani to a status that really isn't warranted. It is also completely tied up in the false narratives around crime stats and threats the nation faces, overall.