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People need to stand up and say "Actually, there are only two genders, and to deliberately attempt to change an individual's real gender through surgical mutilation is bad for the individual and the society."

You'll be attacked, but it's the truth.

Yes, there are two genders, and 57 different flavors of insanity...

rando says

People need to stand up and say "Actually, there are only two genders,

I understand it's hard for people to wrap their heads around this stuff. But if anything this might prove some biological genetic component to being transgender. Humans are far more advanced mentally than any other species on earth correct? But if you look at the animal kingdom.... There's some crazy transgender sex swapping habits in nature. Some insects and animals change sexes throughout their lives. Some have both sex organs and don't need mates to reproduce. Why is it so hard for people to aknowledge that humans are just as prone to "wierd" biological issues as every other species. We should be evolved enough to recognize it.. And let live right? Why must people born a certain way be forced to live a closeted unfulfilled life... Because some people think it's weird?

Mental illness.

BoomAndBustCycle says

There's some crazy transgender sex swapping habits in nature

Hardly a justification for this goofiness. As referenced in another post, it's just more cultural Marxism.

BoomAndBustCycle says

I understand it's hard for people to wrap their heads around this stuff. But if anything this might prove some biological genetic component to being transgender. Humans are far more advanced mentally than any other species on earth correct? But if you look at the animal kingdom.... There's some crazy transgender sex swapping habits in nature. Some insects and animals change sexes throughout their lives. Some have both sex organs and don't need mates to reproduce. Why is it so hard for people to aknowledge that humans are just as prone to "wierd" biological issues as every other species. We should be evolved enough to recognize it.. And let live right? Why must people born a certain way be forced to live a closeted unfulfilled life... Because some people think it's weird?

Things that happen in nature happen. Chopping off body parts or artificially pumping someone with hormones are not natural.

theoakman says

Things that happen in nature happen. Chopping off body parts or artificially pumping someone with hormones are not natural.

Nailed it.

jvolstad says

Will this weirdness ever stop?

No.

Maybe their incest thing needed some variety.

Sigh...

Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/munchausen-by-proxy#1

BoomAndBustCycle says

I understand it's hard for people to wrap their heads around this stuff. But if anything this might prove some biological genetic component to being transgender. Humans are far more advanced mentally than any other species on earth correct? But if you look at the animal kingdom.... There's some crazy transgender sex swapping habits in nature. Some insects and animals change sexes throughout their lives. Some have both sex organs and don't need mates to reproduce. Why is it so hard for people to aknowledge that humans are just as prone to "wierd" biological issues as every other species. We should be evolved enough to recognize it.. And let live right? Why must people born a certain way be forced to live a closeted unfulfilled life... Because some people think it's weird?

Actually there's no evidence of a genetic component, nor is there convincing evidence of the current en vogue explanation of a "wash" of hormones during pregnancy.

If there is, please feel free to share.

What we would find if political correctness would ever step aside is that human behavior is very complex and that multiple environmental factors influence humans. Solely urban living imo seems to be a complete disaster to human psyche, and I suspect we may eventually find that people ought to get back to nature every now and then.

what if someone was born addicted to eating feces. should they continue to do so?

thepaine says

Munchausen Syndrome By Proxy

That's quite interesting:

(MSP) -- or Munchausen by proxy -- is a psychological disorder marked by attention-seeking behavior by a caregiver through those who are in their care.

MSP is a relatively rare behavioral disorder. It affects a primary caretaker, often the mother. The person with MSP gains attention by seeking medical help for exaggerated or made-up symptoms of a child in his or her care. As health care providers strive to identify what's causing the child's symptoms, the deliberate actions of the mother or caretaker can often make the symptoms worse.

I worked for a woman who insisted her 8 year old son is transgender, but I'm pretty sure that it's only herself who is ruining the kid's life by coaching him to be transgender and proud of it, so that she can tell everyone about her transgender son (whom she refers to as a daughter).

rando says

a woman who insisted her 8 year old son is transgender

I just have to believe this is the case of anyone under at least 15, especially ten or younger, because they have no conception of these kinds of things, are susceptible to suggestion and pressure of leftist parents who have to be on the cutting edge of every kind of nuttiness and frankly like the media attention.

Yes, exactly. It's sad. Now the kid is going to suffer for many years.

sounds like a Norman Rockwell painting.

theoakman says

BoomAndBustCycle says

I understand it's hard for people to wrap their heads around this stuff. But if anything this might prove some biological genetic component to being transgender. Humans are far more advanced mentally than any other species on earth correct? But if you look at the animal kingdom.... There's some crazy transgender sex swapping habits in nature. Some insects and animals change sexes throughout their lives. Some have both sex organs and don't need mates to reproduce. Why is it so hard for people to aknowledge that humans are just as prone to "wierd" biological issues as every other species. We should be evolved enough to recognize it.. And let live right? Why must people born a certain way be forced to live a closeted unfulfilled life... Because some people think it's weird?

Things that happen in nature happen. Chopping off body parts or artificially pumping...

That's like saying people die of cancer and disease in nature... why inject people with vaccines and other medical treatments to prevent or fix people... animals don't do that... so it's not natural.

Humans do an awful lot of "unnatural" things. I just think the time spent fighting over social changes... bad or good in your mind... could be better spent advancing the human race than trying to hold on to past mores.

rando says

I worked for a woman who insisted her 8 year old son is transgender, but I'm pretty sure that it's only herself who is ruining the kid's life by coaching him to be transgender and proud of it, so that she can tell everyone about her transgender son (whom she refers to as a daughter

Another reason to license parenting and insist on certain standards of sanity.

BoomAndBustCycle says

this might prove some biological genetic component to being transgender.

it might - but it probably DOESN'T. It probably proves that there are crazy people among us and we need to quit humoring them.

Being a circus side-show freak has been embraced as the new norm or a more intelligent evolution of societal norms. I think its the expected epidemic of mental illness the more you attack and remove Christian values from this once great Christian country. Do you remember saying "one nation under God", Christmas vacation, Easter vacation, St. Valentines day instead of just Valentines day? And, o yea, lets make St. Patricks day a day of debauchery rather than just saying a prayer in church for a great Irish Catholic saint.

WildMind says

That's like saying people die of cancer and disease in nature... why inject people with vaccines and other medical treatments to prevent or fix people... animals don't do that... so it's not natural.

Humans do an awful lot of "unnatural" things. I just think the time spent fighting over social changes... bad or good in your mind... could be better spent advancing the human race than trying to hold on to past mores.

Never claimed pumping someone with chemo was natural either. But cancer is a diagnosable condition and the treatment is purely designed to kill cancer cells. The chopping off of body parts or artificial pumping of chemicals is hardly what a treatment. And I think the idea that parents are doing this to their kids before they are ever at an age to make mature decisions is sickening. I could give a rat's ass if some adult goes through a sex change....as long as its not on the public's dime.

0d2e says

I think its the expected epidemic of mental illness the more you attack and remove Christian values from this once great Christian country.

Absolutely right. Once you remove God, then anything is allowed and normalized.

theoakman says

But cancer is a diagnosable condition and the treatment is purely designed to kill cancer cells

WildMind knew exactly what you were saying and if he didn't he's not very smart. The analogy he used is ridiculous in the extreme.

As a software engineer, when there is a problem with the software, I don't try to modify the hardware to fit the software.
But that's just me.
Some piano players like to pull the piano to them when they sit too far from it.

People make too much of their identities, of "who they are", or who they think they are. "Who you are" is software and can be changed more easily than your hardware.

P N Dr Lo R says

Once you remove God, then anything is allowed and normalized.

Empirically false. No nation allows for murder or rape except theocracies. The belief in a phony god is not necessary to outlaw murder and rape. And quite frankly, if the only thing keeping you from raping and murdering is your belief in god, that says a lot about your character, not the existence of god.

I need no god to tell me not to rape and murder. I can tell the difference between right and wrong fine without needing a delusion.

Dan, you said all religions are evil. What do you find evil about The Quakers?

Or Buddhists?

Dan8267 says

P N Dr Lo R says

Once you remove God, then anything is allowed and normalized.

Empirically false. No nation allows for murder or rape except theocracies. The belief in a phony god is not necessary to outlaw murder and rape. And quite frankly, if the only thing keeping you from raping and murdering is your belief in god, that says a lot about your character, not the existence of god.

I need no god to tell me not to rape and murder. I can tell the difference between right and wrong fine without needing a delusion.

Stalin says there's 30 million reasons to the contrary.

If Stalin is your go-to argument against atheism, you are on weak ground.

Dan8267 says

No nation allows for murder or rape except theocracies.

I think I'm on pretty solid ground.

However if you want to go with Mao Zedong, Fidel Castro, or Ho Chi Min, we can do that as well.

Fucking White Male says

Dan8267 says

No nation allows for murder or rape except theocracies.

I think I'm on pretty solid ground.

Then you are a fool.

Fucking White Male says

However if you want to go with Mao Zedong, Fidel Castro, or Ho Chi Min, we can do that as well.

They all had mustaches as well.

Also following your logic, since some Muslims and Christians have committed genocide and pedophilia, all Muslims and Christians must be genocidal pedophiles. This is the consequence of cherry picking.

However, make your case that the typical atheist is a genocidal imperialistic dictator. In fact, do that in the mustache thread. I love making stupid arguments look stupid. It makes my position look even stronger.

errc says

Dan, you said all religions are evil. What do you find evil about The Quakers?

The people or the religion? If you read my posts diligently, you'll notice I always say "religion is evil" and never "those who subscribe to religion are evil". There's an important difference between those two proclamations. When I talk about the evils of religion, I'm talking about how religion gets people who would otherwise be good to do great evil. I'm not saying the people themselves are inherently evil. I thoroughly disbelieve that supposition.

Quakerism is a minor evil, but a minor evil is still an evil. Hell, Jainism makes a far better example of the lower limit of evilness of religion. It's about as non-evil as a religion can get and still be a religion. It still does bad by promoting misinformation and misunderstanding of the universe and reality. The fact is that wisdom and effective problem solving is absolutely dependent on having a firm and accurate grasp of reality. As such, all religions are inherently bad since, by definition, all religions require believing in supernatural bullshit and ascribing to faith.

If you remove all supernatural bullshit from a religion, you no longer have religion. You have philosophy. Religions have philosophies, but religions are not philosophies, and philosophies are not religions. A philosophy can be good, evil, both in parts, flawed, close to perfection, or outright wrong. I have no problem debating philosophies. But religions do not add to philosophies, they only make their philosophies unquestionable, and that is inherently bad.

Furthermore, faith itself is inherently bad and promotes evil through irrationality, lack of accountability, and unquestionably. These are the defining characteristics of faith. Faith is to believe in something without reason or evidence to support that belief, and often in spite of counter-evidence. This is never a good thing. All good philosophies are able to withstand any questioning or skepticism. In fact, any philosophy that is remotely good can only be made better the more it is questioned and challenged. Faith and religion have a word for challenging them: heresy. And heresy cannot be tolerated. It must be violently opposed by the faithful.

Skepticism and challenging ideas is the only way to distinguish between good ideas and bad ideas, to improve and refine ideas, and to hold ideology and the followers of ideologies accountable. The bottom line is that any philosophy based on lies, delusions, and irrationality is fundamentally more susceptible to corruption and perversion over time. Rationality is the greatest defense against having your philosophy twisted into an evil and ugly mirror image of what you intended. Once again, faith and religion, even those who founders had the noblest of intentions, ultimately become tools of evil. Do you really think Jesus Christ would have approved of the genocides, tortures, rapes, and suffering inflicted in his name throughout Christian history? If a hippie like Jesus cannot even found a religion that doesn't become corrupt and evil, what makes you think anyone could?

Honesty, transparency, accountability, rationality, and verifiability are important in any system, particularly one that spans thousands of years. No system founded on lies and delusions, no matter how well intended, can withstand crumbling into a corrupt and evil institution.

Finally, no one has ever been able to present the tiniest shred of evidence that the belief in supernatural things or that faith has any positive effect on a philosophy or getting people to follow good ideas. There is simply no up side. The few baseless assertions that either does good is akin to arguing that being a drug addict is good.

Dan8267 says

They all had mustaches as well.

I stand corrected, Mao Zedong did not have a mustache, but his father did, and that proximity was enough to prove that mustaches cause evilness. Sometimes mustaches skip a generation but they still cause people to become evil, just look at Tom Selleck, even if the mustache gene is inert.

Everyone has the right to pursue happiness as long as it doesn't break any laws or hurts anyone else.

But don't expect me to support this shit.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/

Plus my own prediction. It tomorrow I was magically got my sex changed, I would want to go to the doctor and change it back

mmmarvel says

BoomAndBustCycle says

this might prove some biological genetic component to being transgender.

it might - but it probably DOESN'T. It probably proves that there are crazy people among us and we need to quit humoring them.

Exactly

BayArea says

Everyone has the right to pursue happiness as long as it doesn't break any laws or hurts anyone else.

But don't expect me to support this shit.

Deviant behavior does hurt others when that stupidity is encouraged as a human right. Societies quarantine diseases, criminals. We should quarantine trans-perverts as well.

FortWayne says

Deviant behavior does hurt others when that stupidity is encouraged as a human right.

The real deviant behavior is believing in fairy tales.

FortWayne says

We should quarantine LGBT as well.

Again, Christian apologists, defend the idea that Christianity does not create great harm in our society.

Dan8267 says

FortWayne says

We should quarantine LGBT as well.

Again, Christian apologists, defend the idea that Christianity does not create great harm in our society.

It's perverts like you who harm society.

FortWayne says

It's perverts like you who harm society.

There is nothing more perverted than religion. It perverts a person's view of reality and makes a person morally inferior as you demonstrate with just about every post you make.

Regarding your lack of grasp on reality... One does not have to be gay in order to support marriage equality. One only has to believe in the principles upon which this country was founded: equality under law and the right to pursue happiness. The fact that you actually think I'm gay demonstrates the inability of people brainwashed by Christianity from grasping reality.

Regarding your fake moral righteousness... Every time you dehumanize or attack homosexuals, you are literally harming Americans. That's not the moral high ground. You are one the wrong side of history just like the Christian right has always been. Your bigoted diatribes harms our society and violate the very principles your false god claimed to hold.
1. Do unto others as you'd have done unto you.
2. Love your neighbor.
3. You are your brother's keeper.
4. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone.

Like all Christians, you are highly hypocritical, claiming to have the moral high ground while demonstrating morally grotesque behavior.

I would pit my morality against yours any day.