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Honest question, What is at the root of the growing homeless problem?


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2017 Mar 19, 11:18pm   18,328 views  55 comments

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1   Bm05211983   2017 Mar 19, 11:48pm  

Duh, democrats.

2   Ceffer   2017 Mar 20, 12:17am  

It's all Trump's fault!

3   thepaine   2017 Mar 20, 2:10am  

The police not moving them along because of the advent of cellphone cameras.

4   marcus   2017 Mar 20, 5:57am  

Income taxes are too high.

5   indigenous   2017 Mar 20, 7:29am  

I'm a thinking enabling by the government. Specifically:

Men that have been robbed in divorce court

We keep sending healthy young men to war zones of our own creation at taxpayer expense and, in return, we're receiving broken, suffering veterans who can't cope and for whom homelessness is the only option.

Because government artificially inflates the price of housing

They make more panhandling

Drugs tests for employment and felony exclusion

Section 8 housing causing a shortage in housing because people use more space than they would if they had to pay for it. Which keeps the pricing higher. This is what happens with rent control.

Zoning laws, rent controls, and minimum house/apartment requirements. Which is essentially a total sales limit, a price ceiling, and a price floor.

Overall, high housing costs created by all the government intervention.

www.youtube.com/embed/WJq-sl3LDFw

6   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2017 Mar 20, 8:13am  

indigenous says

I'm a thinking enabling by the government. Specifically:

Men that have been robbed in divorce court

We keep sending healthy young men to war zones of our own creation at taxpayer expense and, in return, we're receiving broken, suffering veterans who can't cope and for whom homelessness is the only option.

Because government artificially inflates the price of housing

They make more panhandling

Drugs tests for employment and felony exclusion

Section 8 housing causing a shortage in housing because people use more space than they would if they had to pay for it. Which keeps the pricing higher. This is what happens with rent control.

Zoning laws, rent controls, and minimum house/apartment requirements. Which is essentially a total sales limit, a price ceiling, and a price floor.

Overall, high housing costs created by all the government intervention.

As was previously answered, Democrats.

7   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2017 Mar 20, 8:15am  

Incidently as I've mentioned before, the solution of course is to allow open homeless encampments on the lawns of the members of the 9th circuit court of appeals.

8   Tenpoundbass   2017 Mar 20, 8:21am  

RE investors.

9   PeopleUnited   2017 Mar 20, 10:15am  

Wealth inequality with no real safety net. A real safety net would be a system of division of property so that every American has a piece of land which to own, use, sell, lease or trade. Obviously some people would have smaller pieces of land and others would have larger based on the value of the land with the goal of approximate equality in the initial division. During the course of time, the wise/diligent/lucky would no doubt turn their property into profit, and others would squander their property and probably end up in debt. But the cycle would be broken by the system so that the next generation would have opportunity to start over. Every 50 years there would be a Jubilee and the land would return to original owner or their descendents. It is the system practiced in ancient Middle East during Talmudic times. Under this system, every 50 years presents a renewed opportunity to break the cycle of poverty.

10   HEY YOU   2017 Mar 20, 10:32am  

There will be no problems after MAGA is implemented.
We are headed to the greatest time in American history.
If anyone has a few minutes,FMTT!

11   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2017 Mar 20, 10:40am  

PeopleUnited says

Wealth inequality with no real safety net. A real safety net would be a system of division of property so that every American has a piece of land which to own, use, sell, lease or trade. Obviously some people would have smaller pieces of land and others would have larger based on the value of the land with the goal of approximate equality in the initial division. During the course of time, the wise/diligent/lucky would no doubt turn their property into profit, and others would squander their property and probably end up in debt. But the cycle would be broken by the system so that the next generation would have opportunity to start over. Every 50 years there would be a Jubilee and the land would return to original owner or their descendents. It is the system practiced in ancient Middle East during Talmudic times. Under this system, every 50 years presents a renewed opportunity to break the cycle of poverty.

You really don't understand why people are homeless. Poverty has nothing to do with it.

12   Shaman   2017 Mar 20, 10:58am  

Fucking White Male says

You really don't understand why people are homeless. Poverty has nothing to do with it.

Yes. Most people, if they found themselves homeless, would quickly rectify the problem. Y moving until they found resources. The homeless are a different sort who don't identify the same way with "home," thinking of it more as a place they belong rather than a place of shelter. So they will stick around an area that's become hostile to them (because of many different factors(cost of living, drug use, joblessness, criminal history, poor choices, addictions)). It seems that addictions play the largest roles. Addicts just need their drug of choice to be content, not four walls and a roof. In a reasonable climate, a tent or cardboard box is sufficient shelter to enable their lifestyle.

So yah it seems like more than half are addicts, another quarter are mentally ill, another 20% are grungy hustlers, and 10% are transitional, moving on up the social ladder.

13   NDrLoR   2017 Mar 20, 11:33am  

PeopleUnited says

the wise/diligent/lucky would no doubt turn their property into profit, and others would squander their property and probably end up in debt.

Pretty much the way it is today, I don't see any problem with it.

14   NDrLoR   2017 Mar 20, 11:35am  

Quigley says

In a reasonable climate

Maybe not a lot of homelessness in Minnesota or North Dakota?

15   Strategist   2017 Mar 20, 12:06pm  

Stupid laws allowing the homeless to camp anywhere.
Cheap booze.
Lazy losers.

16   Ceffer   2017 Mar 20, 12:28pm  

Not enough free shit and massive government bureaucracies to administer the free shit. Free shit allows all the poor homeless people to be good peepuls.

Better yet, the government bureaucracies can squander all the free shit on themselves because the homeless are fucked, anyway.

17   PeopleUnited   2017 Mar 20, 1:29pm  

It is silly to make generalizations, or sweeping statements such as "You know nothing..." Which are clearly untrue and only serve to make yourself look like a fool.
Fucking White Male says

Poverty has nothing to do with it.

Clearly there are various circumstances that can result in various forms of temporary homelessness and there are also people who choose homelessness as a lifestyle. There are also those who achieve homelessness via circumstances outside of their control. There are people who achieve homelessness due to their own choices/addictions. One can make the argument that it is a choice not to change those circumstances either before or after becoming homeless. Never the less, poverty certainly plays a role. It would be a rare thing to have wealth/income and still be homeless. A person who owns their home, and has the money to pay their bills is not homeless.

It has been said that when you got nothing, you have got nothing to lose. Give every person some land and all of a sudden many if not most of them will choose to be responsible and take care of that land or put it to good use by renting it out. That is just common sense.

Part of the problem with the current globalization is not so much that we have multinational corporations, it is that these corporations are so big and the wealthy are so rich that we are perhaps only one generation away from a true dystopia where the means of production is entirely controlled by a small minority and you either work for them or they will tell you you are not needed. George Orwell's 1984 comes to mind. It isn't just that they control the media. They control the land, they control the food, they control the housing, they control the health care system.

The only way to avoid this is to give more power, more land, more control to the individual. And that is going to mean that the wealthy are going to have to start losing or at least sharing more.

18   Shaman   2017 Mar 20, 1:39pm  

Georgism would help a bit with some of the systemic issues. But most of these people choose this way of life because it works with their addictions.
If I were governor, I'd be rounding them up each week, identifying and sorting them by ability, putting the addicts in the drunk tank for a month, connecting the temporarily disadvantaged with government subsidied housing and jobs, and bussing the rest to pick crops while living on site in barracks. That's where the addicts will be going as well after they detox.
Call it the "back to nature" plan.

19   RC2006   2017 Mar 20, 1:40pm  

Clearly the problem is to much kindness and good weather.

20   Ceffer   2017 Mar 20, 1:42pm  

I love giving money to homeless people so they don't go without. That is, without alcohol, drugs and cigarettes.

21   Entitlemented   2017 Mar 20, 3:30pm  

indigenous says

Section 8 housing causing a shortage in housing because people use more space than they would if they had to pay for it. Which keeps the pricing higher. This is what happens with rent control.

Zoning laws, rent controls, and minimum house/apartment requirements. Which is essentially a total sales limit, a price ceiling, and a price floor.

Overall, high housing costs created by all the government intervention.

Truth - we have caused homelessness by government malfeasance, and malinvestment.

Are you Libertarian or Republican - if I might ask?

22   CBOEtrader   2017 Mar 20, 3:41pm  

the pesky gun control laws

23   indigenous   2017 Mar 20, 4:14pm  

Entitlemented says

Are you Libertarian or Republican - if I might ask?

The prior we are on the same page.

24   indigenous   2017 Mar 20, 4:26pm  

Too much verbiage. The problem is simple, when you pay people to be homeless you get homeless. People in government are paid to keep up the charade.

I was only wondering what flavor of public transfer we are talking about.

25   PeopleUnited   2017 Mar 20, 5:12pm  

indigenous says

Too much verbiage. The problem is simple, when you pay people to be homeless you get homeless. People in government are paid to keep up the charade.

I was only wondering what flavor of public transfer we are talking about.

Many people who are homeless chose to be homeless or made choices that resulted in homelessness. However, few homeless people are paid NOT to put a roof over their heads. I agree that what you subsidize you get more of, however unless we are going to allow homeless people to also go hungry and naked I don't see how you are going to fix the problem by eliminating any form of private or public assistance to feed, cloth and sometime yes even house the poor souls who don't have a roof, meal or pair of pants.

26   PockyClipsNow   2017 Mar 20, 5:22pm  

Mexico and Brazil just let people squat in home made shacks made of plywood.

We are going to have to allow this at some point, in many places, if the problem gets worse.

Under no circumstances will housing EVER become affordable - the bankers proved this is not an outcome on the list of possible outcomes.

So when we go full brazil/favela housing will have two classes - the brown poor favela dwellers and if you dont want to live in a shack you get a loan and pay the full 'market price' of the house where the police will patrol.

27   Patrick   2017 Mar 20, 5:31pm  

True!

The powers that be have their power mostly because workers must obey them or lose their house. Usually it's like this: you have to obey your boss, or you get fired and cannot pay your mortgage. You don't have savings because you put it all in the downpayment, but still have a big mortgage. And when you do obey your boss, you're actually working for the shareholders. And most of the shareholders are the 1%.

So to make housing cheap would be to take away power from the powerful. Workers would not have to obey bosses. That would be freedom, not slavery. Freedom for workers is loss for the wealthy. So cheap housing = freedom = impossible because the rich don't want that.

Kinda rambling, but you get the picture.

28   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2017 Mar 20, 5:33pm  

PeopleUnited says

indigenous says

Too much verbiage. The problem is simple, when you pay people to be homeless you get homeless. People in government are paid to keep up the charade.

I was only wondering what flavor of public transfer we are talking about.

Many people who are homeless chose to be homeless or made choices that resulted in homelessness. However, few homeless people are paid NOT to put a roof over their heads. I agree that what you subsidize you get more of, however unless we are going to allow homeless people to also go hungry and naked I don't see how you are going to fix the problem by eliminating any form of private or public assistance to feed, cloth and sometime yes even house the poor souls who don't have a roof, meal or pair of pants.

It is nearly entirely a result of drug/alcohol abuse and mental illness. Now what came first..the drug abuse or the mental illness...thats much more of a chicken or egg thing.

The bottom line remains that as there are fewer criminal consequences for homelessness, there are also fewer motivations for dealing with drug addiction and mental illness.

Furthermore, if my 18 year old step daughter can outperform 30-40 year old adults at work, which did in fact happen, the problem is not just one of income inequality, but rather one of merit and performance. Which is why lefty bleeding hearts are a bunch of dum dums. And yes I'm being serious. Mostly because you used a whole bunch of words to say stuff that isn't actually true.

29   Patrick   2017 Mar 20, 5:35pm  

That's true too.

Just walk around the Tenderloin in SF. Most of those homeless people are clearly addicts or mentally ill or both.

30   FortWayne   2017 Mar 20, 5:44pm  

Drugs, alcohol and insane housing costs.

31   PeopleUnited   2017 Mar 20, 5:46pm  

Fucking White Male says

Which is why lefty bleeding hearts are a bunch of dum dums. And yes I'm being serious.

Exactly.

But so is anyone who would leave a fellow human being out in the cold with no food or clothing.

32   PeopleUnited   2017 Mar 20, 5:48pm  

Fucking White Male says

The bottom line remains that as there are fewer criminal consequences for homelessness, there are also fewer motivations for dealing with drug addiction and mental illness.

Perhaps we should lock up homeless people for being homeless? Brilliant.

Oh, and lock people up for not getting sober too. As if prisons weren't full enough already. Yes these people need help but are you going to pay for rehab?

33   FortWayne   2017 Mar 20, 5:49pm  

PeopleUnited says

Fucking White Male says

Which is why lefty bleeding hearts are a bunch of dum dums. And yes I'm being serious.

Exactly.

But so is anyone who would leave a fellow human being out in the cold with no food or clothing.

Some people are beyond any help. Nothing any of us can do.

34   PeopleUnited   2017 Mar 20, 5:51pm  

rando says

True!

The powers that be have their power mostly because workers must obey them or lose their house. Usually it's like this: you have to obey your boss, or you get fired and cannot pay your mortgage. You don't have savings because you put it all in the downpayment, but still have a big mortgage. And when you do obey your boss, you're actually working for the shareholders. And most of the shareholders are the 1%.

So to make housing cheap would be to take away power from the powerful. Workers would not have to obey bosses. That would be freedom, not slavery. Freedom for workers is loss for the wealthy. So cheap housing = freedom = impossible because the rich don't want that.

Kinda rambling, but you get the picture.

This is so true. Working class hero is something to be!
www.youtube.com/embed/6VsCKbcSNZ8?ecver=1

www.youtube.com/embed/6VsCKbcSNZ8?ecver=1

35   Strategist   2017 Mar 20, 5:54pm  

FortWayne says

But so is anyone who would leave a fellow human being out in the cold with no food or clothing.

Some people are beyond any help. Nothing any of us can do.

No matter what you do, they will come back.

36   PeopleUnited   2017 Mar 20, 5:54pm  

FortWayne says

PeopleUnited says

Fucking White Male says

Which is why lefty bleeding hearts are a bunch of dum dums. And yes I'm being serious.

Exactly.

But so is anyone who would leave a fellow human being out in the cold with no food or clothing.

Some people are beyond any help. Nothing any of us can do.

Matthew 25:31-46

The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy[a] angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer Him,[b] saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

37   PeopleUnited   2017 Mar 20, 5:55pm  

Strategist says

FortWayne says

But so is anyone who would leave a fellow human being out in the cold with no food or clothing.

Some people are beyond any help. Nothing any of us can do.

No matter what you do, they will come back.

Yes, they will.

38   PeopleUnited   2017 Mar 20, 5:57pm  

PockyClipsNow says

Mexico and Brazil just let people squat in home made shacks made of plywood.

We are going to have to allow this at some point, in many places, if the problem gets worse.

Under no circumstances will housing EVER become affordable - the bankers proved this is not an outcome on the list of possible outcomes.

So when we go full brazil/favela housing will have two classes - the brown poor favela dwellers and if you dont want to live in a shack you get a loan and pay the full 'market price' of the house where the police will patrol.

Probably true. Perhaps in the next 20 years. That is the scary part.

39   indigenous   2017 Mar 20, 6:23pm  

In January 2015, 564,708 people were homeless on a given night in the United States.
Of that number, 206,286 were people in families, and
358,422 were individuals.
About 15 percent of the homeless population - 83,170 - are considered "chronically homeless” individuals.
About 2 percent - 13,105 - are considered "chronically homeless” people in families.
About 8 percent of homeless people- 47,725 - are veterans.

Surely some can be reformed into working.

Again this covers it nicely.

www.youtube.com/embed/WJq-sl3LDFw

40   Strategist   2017 Mar 20, 6:33pm  

indigenous says

In January 2015, 564,708 people were homeless on a given night in the United States.

Of that number, 206,286 were people in families, and

I don't understand how whole families can be homeless when we have:
Welfare
Section 8 housing
Food Stamps
Churches
Charity Organizations

How do illegals manage to get everything that is offered, while the homeless don't? I just don't get it.

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