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Then Trump's a liar.
Republican coal states believed the lie,dumb Trumpians.

Rew says

Those coal jobs aren't coming back ...

We don't need coal jobs anymore. They are being replaced by jobs in alternative fuels.
Good jobs, clean jobs. What more can we ask for?

Strategist says

We don't need coal jobs anymore. They are being replaced by jobs in alternative fuels.

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/trump-wants-to-build-a-border-wall-covered-in-solar-panels

Imagine the Wall covered with Solar Panels, from coast to coast, generating power through the most sunlit parts of the Continent.

https://www.axios.com/trump-pitched-republican-leaders-on-a-solar-paneled-border-wall-2435037888.html

Unless one side is so partisan they won't give an inch, we'll get both Immigration Control and a Huge Clean Energy Project. A win-win.

It might also push the environmentalists, desperate for a big Green Energy project, away from the Illegals First! Democratic Party.

Now there's a wall for the people. It provdides green energy, and it's a wall people can't scale.

I remember a few weeks back the Libs were saying that John Kelly was going to expand the HB1 visa program.
Didn't happen, yesterday he announced he's dropping it.
Getting your news from NYT about Trump is akin to mental masturbation.

"I remember a few weeks back the Libs were saying that John Kelly was going to expand the HB1 visa program. Didn't happen, yesterday he announced he's dropping it."

All I see are quotes from Homeland Security in April about combatting fraud. He said something yesterday?

joeyjojojunior says

All I see are quotes from Homeland Security in April about combatting fraud. He said something yesterday?

Sorry your news source is a partisan hack that thinks you can't handle the truth.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/06/dhs-kelly-h-2b-drugs-haiti/

In response to Kelly, Heitkamp asked for visas to import foreign doctors for North Dakota towns. Nationwide, there’s a shortage of doctors outside the main cities partly because the federal government constricts the number of training slots for students at American hospitals. “It’s extraordinarily difficult to recruit physicians to my state,” she said. Many foreign doctors use the J-1 Visa to gain residency in the United States, sharply reducing the number of doctors in their homelands.

So Obama was fucking us in the Ass hard with Obamacare. Saddle students with hundreds of thousands of dollars in student debt, then not allow them to get the experience to work while that imported Muslim and Haitian docotrs that give hepititis and septis to everyone they touch.

I did a google search. And the problem is that you don't know the difference between H1B and H2B.

H1B=fuck the tech workers hard!
H2B=fuck blue collar workers hard!

See the relation?

http://theweek.com/articles/704293/hope-coal-country

Hope in coal country

In Gillette and nearby Campbell County, people were beginning to feel the comeback they voted for. Unemployment has dropped by more than a third since March 2016, from 8.9 percent to 5.1 percent. Coal companies are rehiring workers.

zzyzzx, it's an industry that's been in decline for decades. I understand the hope, and honestly, would love it if these people all got to keep their jobs. The problem is this is just not the direction of current energy technologies or markets.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2017/06/10/trumps-economic-scorecard-2-reasons-why-coal-jobs-wont-return/#34590e6f2997
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2017/06/06/50000-coal-jobs-where-the-number-comes-from/#61cabdfb2c25
http://www.kshb.com/news/national/infographics/jobs-in-coal-mining-only-very-slightly-up-since-trump-came-into-office

zzyzzx says

Hope in coal country

In Gillette and nearby Campbell County, people were beginning to feel the comeback they voted for. Unemployment has dropped by more than a third since March 2016, from 8.9 percent to 5.1 percent. Coal companies are rehiring workers.

OMG unemployment in a whole TWO counties in fucking rural wyoming has dropped. MAGA. What specifically did trump do to make this happen?

Oh wait, small inconvenient fact. Campbell county actually lost 3400 jobs last year. The unemployment rate dropped because so many unemployed people left Campbell county. https://county17.com/2017/06/01/unemployment-rate-continues-to-fall-in-campbell-county/ That's certainly one hell of a comeback. Go trump.

Quigley says

H1B=fuck the tech workers hard!

H2B=fuck blue collar workers hard!

See the relation?

What we need is to replace this with H3B program... fuck the outsourcing favoring politicians hard...

FortWayne says

fuck the outsourcing favoring politicians hard...

Do you really mean business loves work visas?

Rew says

Do you really mean business loves work visas?

True but Trump election victory had an adverse effect on h1-b being offered. Would have been business as usual if it was Clinton.

Agree on coal jobs 100%

MMR says

True but Trump election victory had an adverse effect on h1-b being offered. Would have been business as usual if it was Clinton.

What adverse affect was there on h1b's? It still 85k. The only thing trump did was ask 4 of the departments to make comments and suggestions.

bob2356 says

MMR says

True but Trump election victory had an adverse effect on h1-b being offered. Would have been business as usual if it was Clinton.

What adverse affect was there on h1b's? It still 85k.

Here is a secret to success:
Deport a million worthless criminals and illegals who don't work, and replace them with a million hard working, intelligent, highly skilled techies who will pay for our SS, and make our corporations competitive and profitable. Regardless of where they come from.
Am I right, or am I wrong?

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/cae69a7523db45408eeb2b3a98c0c9c5/Article_2017-06-26-AS--Global%20Coal/id-81921912dddc46a09c2df68abc81f77e

Coal on the rise in China, US, India after major 2016 drop

anonymous says

$7.5 billion Kemper power plant suspends coal gasification. Owners of the plant made the decision to burn natural gas exclusively for now.

I am willing to bet with anyone......There will be less coal jobs at the end of Trump's first term, then there were at the beginning.

Rew says

Those coal jobs aren't coming back ...

But Trump promised they would. Are you calling him a liar?

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Imagine the Wall covered with Solar Panels, from coast to coast, generating power through the most sunlit parts of the Continent.

Solar panels on a wall makes no sense. The wall does nothing to help collect the energy. It would be cheaper and easier to build and maintain a two dimensional field of solar panels than a one dimensional line of them. The wiring costs alone would exponentially increase, as would the diminishment of the direct current with distance.

If the right wants to build a wall, they can build a wall under two conditions.
1. The construction and maintenance is paid entirely by the right. This is enforced with a poll tax on voting or registering Republican.
2. A complete and utter end to all legal migrant work. The wall's not going to do shit. It's a symbol. Industry has to no longer be allowed to import workers, even "temporarily". The entire illegal immigration problem is caused by importing workers who then stay past their work visas, which themselves only expire to prevent the workers from gaining bargaining power because they are replaced with a new crop of migrant workers.

Have the republicans agree to these two simple conditions, and you can have your stupid symbolic wall / money hole. You will have to steal a lot of land using eminent domain though, and the wall will have to be forced onto states by the federal government, so that goes against everything republicans say they believe.

They made it harder to get approved, before it was easy

bob2356 says

MMR says

True but Trump election victory had an adverse effect on h1-b being offered. Would have been business as usual if it was Clinton.

What adverse affect was there on h1b's? It still 85k. The only thing trump did was ask 4 of the departments to make comments and suggestions.

Trump lied? was it about this one thing (coal), or was it about other stuff like Carrier Corp Jobs, building a wall, making 'merica great again... At least he isn't hanging fake Time Mags in his businesses... or holding a fundraiser for himself at places he owns so he gets paid for holding it, and then paid for the money raised....

OMG, we're all fucked. Seriously fucked.

Oil over $80/gallon: We'll never see cheap oil again, desperately need alternatives
Oil under $50/gallon: We'll never see expensive oil again, no rush on alternatives...

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Oil over $80/gallon: We'll never see cheap oil again, desperately need alternatives

Oil under $50/gallon: We'll never see expensive oil again, no rush on alternatives...

The price of oil isn't the reason we need alternatives. The reason is that the true cost of oil far exceeds its price. If the cost of cleaning up the pollution were included in the price of oil, it would be at least several hundred dollars per gallon. Cost shifting by polluting is theft and should not be tolerated.

Dan8267 says

The price of oil isn't the reason we need alternatives. The reason is that the true cost of oil far exceeds its price. If the cost of cleaning up the pollution were included in the price of oil, it would be at least several hundred dollars per gallon. Cost shifting by polluting is theft and should not be tolerated.

The costs are even more when you account for the health problems and early deaths that arise from all the pollution.

Strategist says

The costs are even more when you account for the health problems and early deaths that arise from all the pollution.

This is a point I've made many times, but the pro-pollution people just ignore it because their short-term profit is all that matters to them. It's complete foolishness.

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/06/30/60-million-strong-study-shows-clear-link-exposure-air-pollution-premature-death/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IM-cleantechnica+%28CleanTechnica%29

60-Million-Strong Study Shows Clear Link Between Exposure To Air Pollution & Premature Death

Strategist says

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/06/30/60-million-strong-study-shows-clear-link-exposure-air-pollution-premature-death/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IM-cleantechnica+%28CleanTechnica%29

60-Million-Strong Study Shows Clear Link Between Exposure To Air Pollution & Premature Death

Do you really need a study?

Think about this for a second, and you're older than me. You can't swim or catch fish to eat, from more rivers and lakes than those that you can. What the fuck

Our government is giant worthless bureaucracy that needs a study for everything, they abandoned common sense long ago

errc says

Strategist says

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/06/30/60-million-strong-study-shows-clear-link-exposure-air-pollution-premature-death/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IM-cleantechnica+%28CleanTechnica%29

60-Million-Strong Study Shows Clear Link Between Exposure To Air Pollution & Premature Death

Do you really need a study?

Think about this for a second, and you're older than me. You can't swim or catch fish to eat, from more rivers and lakes than those that you can. What the fuck