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Not PC to say Indigenous N American People were once "Immigrants" too


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2017 Jun 20, 8:54pm   2,420 views  22 comments

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/governor-general-immigrants-social-media-outrage-1.4167384

"We're a country based on immigration, going right back to our 'Indigenous people' who were immigrants as well, 10, 12, 14,000 years ago," said David Johnston, speaking to Chris Hall on the June 15 episode of CBC's The House. Those comments sparked a firestorm on social media, especially from Indigenous people themselves.

Oh me or my, this was just SO HORRIBLE to attempt this light joke and saying something of this sort

I mean, I thought there was some sort of timeline as to when ancient humans arrived in the Americans, but I guess they must have been here forever.

We have to give up science and evolution and "out of Africa" now. And OF COURSE the Governor General must resign for his shameless bigotry.

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1   Strategist   2017 Jun 20, 9:48pm  

Herb says

"We're a country based on immigration, going right back to our 'Indigenous people' who were immigrants as well, 10, 12, 14,000 years ago," said David Johnston, speaking to Chris Hall on the June 15 episode of CBC's The House. Those comments sparked a firestorm on social media, especially from Indigenous people themselves.

They crossed over the bering strait from China. They are immigrants. Illegal immigrants.
Man originated from Africa after evolving from apes. All continents, except for Africa have been taken over by illegal immigrants.

2   Strategist   2017 Jun 20, 9:52pm  

Hey Native Americans........Just because no one was here in America when you walked in does not make it all yours.

3   HEY YOU   2017 Jun 20, 10:37pm  

Donald Rumsfeld:
"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know."
Unless you're a know it all patnetter.

Strategist says

Illegal immigrants.

Man originated from Africa after evolving from apes.

There were no immigration laws at that time,therefore no crime.

Africa! That makes us niggers with ape blood.
WINO-White in name only.
Man's a knuckle dragger.

4   FortWayne   2017 Jun 20, 10:47pm  

Strategist says

Hey Native Americans........Just because no one was here in America when you walked in does not make it all yours.

There were no native Americans. I think no one really knows what was here thousands of years ago, just bunch of various primitive tribes savagely murdering each other for territory. Kind of like gangs do in Chicago these days.

5   Strategist   2017 Jun 21, 8:07am  

HEY YOU says

Strategist says

Illegal immigrants.


Man originated from Africa after evolving from apes.

There were no immigration laws at that time,therefore no crime.

Africa! That makes us niggers with ape blood.

I'm not comfortable using the "N" word so i'll go on to comment on the "ape" part.
We are descendants of the the apes, wether you like it or not.. If it wasn't for them, humans would not be around today.
If there is a God he must look like an Ape.

6   Dan8267   2017 Jun 21, 9:53pm  

Herb says

Not PC to say Indigenous N American People were once "Immigrants" too

It's not correct to say Native Americans are immigrants. An immigrant is a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country, tribe, or other kind of society.

The Native Americans were settlers, persons who moves to an unsettled region and establishes a society there.

If you go someplace new to live and there's nobody else there, you are a settler. If there are other people there and they bitch about you taking their jobs, you're an immigrant.

7   anonymous   2017 Jun 22, 12:10am  

@Dan8267

hmmm, well reasoned, a sound point

8   bob2356   2017 Jun 22, 4:05am  

HEY YOU says

There were no immigration laws at that time,therefore no crime.

Being an illegal immigrant isn't a crime. It's a violation of civil law not criminal law. You have to violate criminal law to be a criminal. Improper entry is a misdemeanour crime, but 2/3's of illegals are visa overstays not border crossers so they are not criminals.

9   Patrick   2017 Jun 22, 4:20am  

bob2356 says

It's a violation of civil law not criminal law.

Illegal immigrants have broken the law in any case.

They should all be speedily deported, if we are to maintain any respect for the rule of law.

10   Dan8267   2017 Jun 22, 7:44am  

rando says

They should all be speedily deported, if we are to maintain any respect for the rule of law.

Respect for the law isn't the reason people, including myself, want illegals deported or immigration caps. There are far better ways to maintain respect for the rule of law such as ending Congressional insider trading, prosecuting criminal cops, prosecuting politicians and military members who violate national or international law.

No, the real reasons to deport illegal immigrants and to cap immigration are
1. To counter overpopulation.
2. To protect the overburdened social safety nets and anti-poverty programs.
3. To reduce contention of scarce resources like housing, education, and health care.
4. To prevent a depression of wages with cheap labor. A depression of wages hurts the economy overall and increase the rich-poor gap and harms the middle class.

Of course, the only way to stop mass immigration including illegal immigration is to stop the importing of cheap, temporary labor from underdeveloped nations. The entire reason there are so many illegal immigrants is that businesses, particularly big agriculture, import workers from Mexico for the sole purpose of depressing wages. These businesses make those workers temporary so the sole purpose of preventing them from gaining bargaining power. This means the current crop of workers must be replaced at the end of the year and just as many workers need to be imported to replace them. The current crop of workers lose their jobs to new workers with zero bargaining power, but those newly unemployed workers don't go back to Mexico. They seek other jobs in the U.S.

The entire immigration problem is created by greedy capitalists who want slave labor. That is the bottom line.

You want to solve immigration? Here's the way to do it. Get rid of capitalism. Keep free markets, private businesses, banking, trade, commerce, etc., but get rid of the mechanism of owners controlling who gets paid what. Tie the income of the owners of farms to the income of the farmers (laborers) by setting the owner income to exactly twice the income of the median worker. Then there is zero financial incentives to import cheap labor.

11   Ernie   2017 Jun 22, 9:07am  

Dan8267 says

The entire immigration problem is created by greedy capitalists who want slave labor.

Interesting, isn't it. This part is usually omitted in arguments about illegal immigration as it is uncomfortable to the Right. If employers of illegals would be fined $100,000 for each case, no wall would be needed and the problem would solve itself without any deportations.

12   anonymous   2017 Jun 22, 9:27am  

I like how some of the posters on this thread have made the point that illegal immigration cannot be analyzed without reference to its function as cheap labor for exploitative capitalists, in particular, the large agri-business "plantations" that have displaced the family farms of yore. Seen this way, illegal immigration (and even legal immigration) is q weapon used by capitalists to disorganize labor and to drive down production costs. This is what we call CLASS WARFARE or CLASS STRUGGLE. I speak here of the US, since I have no knowledge of whether illegal immigration in Europe has a similar function. Anyone have some info on that?

13   Strategist   2017 Jun 22, 10:14am  

Tim Aurora says

rando says

Illegal immigrants have broken the law in any case.

We all have broken laws such as speeding , jaywalking ( misdemeanors ) . Does not make us criminals.

True, but you get punished if you get caught. The punishment for being in the US illegally is deportation.

14   Dan8267   2017 Jun 22, 2:00pm  

Tim Aurora says

rando says

Illegal immigrants have broken the law in any case.

We all have broken laws such as speeding , jaywalking ( misdemeanors ) . Does not make us criminals. Also not all crimes are the same, a murder is not the same as a drug possession or even a DUI ( which are not misdemeanors ) .

It would be trivial to end all illegal immigration by simply making all immigration legal. But that's not what the people opposing "illegal immigration" want. They are being disingenuous by stating that they are concerned about the illegality of the immigration when what they really want is
1. A cap on immigration
2. Selective immigration that will improve the lives of us already in America rather than being a cost.

The opposing side is also completely disingenuous when they claim they want "immigration reform". They don't want reform. They want uncapped immigration. That's not reform.

There is a time in which a society has too little population and immigration is a good thing. Then there is a time when a society has too much population and immigration is a bad thing. We live in an overpopulated world. When the population of the U.S. drops to 100 million, then you can make a case that immigration is a net gain. As long as we live in a vastly overpopulated world, immigration and birth is a generally bad thing for most nations.

Put simply, you cannot have a doubling of population in a country in a mere century and then also expect mass immigration into the country. Maybe if America's population hadn't risen so much in the 20th century we could take in a lot more immigrants in the 21st, but it did and there are consequences to population growth.

And the last thing we need are breeder nations where poor people in poor countries reproduce like crazy and export their offspring to developed nations. That would just make developed nations overcrowded.

15   FortWayne   2017 Jun 22, 3:33pm  

You don't know who they killed to take over. Both China and Russia stated that original settlers were from their nations who crossed through Alaska and spread through the continent.

Dan8267 says

Herb says

Not PC to say Indigenous N American People were once "Immigrants" too

It's not correct to say Native Americans are immigrants. An immigrant is a person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country, tribe, or other kind of society.

The Native Americans were settlers, persons who moves to an unsettled region and establishes a society there.

If you go someplace new to live and there's nobody else there, you are a settler. If there are other people there and they bitch about you taking their jobs, you're an immigrant.

16   RC2006   2017 Jun 22, 4:09pm  

Dan8267 says

The entire immigration problem is created by greedy capitalists who want slave labor.

Or divide and conquer the current population for easier control.

17   bob2356   2017 Jun 22, 5:13pm  

rando says

bob2356 says

It's a violation of civil law not criminal law.

Illegal immigrants have broken the law in any case.

They should all be speedily deported, if we are to maintain any respect for the rule of law.

If we are to maintain any respect for the rule of law we would immediately put all employers that are hiring undocumented workers in jail. That is illegal in both civil and criminal law. Which would mean 11 million newly unemployed illegals would be very rapidly leaving on their own, saving a shitload of money deporting them. A win win.

I'm sure trump will be implementing this policy in the very near future. I'm sure he is at least as concerned about respect for the rule of law as patrick.

18   bob2356   2017 Jun 22, 5:45pm  

Tim Aurora says

rando says

Illegal immigrants have broken the law in any case.

We all have broken laws such as speeding , jaywalking ( misdemeanors ) . Does not make us criminals. Also not all crimes are the same, a murder is not the same as a drug possession or even a DUI ( which are not misdemeanors ) .

Speeding and jaywalking aren't misdemeanours. Jaywalking is a civil violation (unless you cause an accident). Depending on the state speeding is either a civil violation or infraction/petty/summary criminal offence which means you can't get a jury trial. Hit and run, DUI, drug possession (short of industrial quantities) are misdemeanour offences under criminal law. A misdemeanour is a non indictable criminal offence eligible for a jury trial (although some states improperly deny this for "minor" misdemeanours) . Didn't anyone take american government 101 in college?

19   Strategist   2017 Jun 22, 7:25pm  

bob2356 says

Didn't anyone take american government 101 in college?

Yes, I took it. Don't remember any of that boring stuff.

20   Strategist   2017 Jun 22, 7:28pm  

bob2356 says

If we are to maintain any respect for the rule of law we would immediately put all employers that are hiring undocumented workers in jail.

Oh shit. I'm going to jail. I think our cleaning lady is illegal.

21   bob2356   2017 Jun 22, 9:12pm  

Strategist says

bob2356 says

If we are to maintain any respect for the rule of law we would immediately put all employers that are hiring undocumented workers in jail.

Oh shit. I'm going to jail. I think our cleaning lady is illegal.

You are part of the problem. You should go to jail, you are just as much a criminal as she is.

22   NuttBoxer   2017 Jun 26, 2:39pm  

Herb says

Not PC to say Indigenous N American People were once "Immigrants" too

The definition of the word immigrant is often abused today. The point of the American Indians may be that the word did not exist when their people settled here. Citizenship, a word heavily intertwined with immigration certainly didn't exist as there was no central government at the time.

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