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People are pissed the fuck off.
Idiots are pissed the fuck off. The only people pissed off at the athlete kneeling are those who expect everyone to be a brainwashed slave to the tribe. There is no legitimate reason to be at all upset over people kneeling or even staying away during the national anthem.
People are pissed because multimillionaires are claiming victim status.
The Flag and Anthem are a symbol of Unity, and protesting them is a sign of divisiveness.
Not to most people
In any case, murdering people is far more divisive than silently protesting an injustice by kneeling during the national anthem. Hell, even burning the American flag is way the fuck less divisive than blowing the brains out of a nine-year-old girl. You cannot even compare the two.
. I don't care how much some Americans want the American flag to be a symbol of freedom. They don't get that because our history has been anything but a bastion of freedom.
America has yet to live up to the ideas it claims to have. Actions first, then we get to claim the moral high ground. If anything, these athletes taking a knee are bringing America closer to being worthy of being considered a symbol of freedom. Seeing them do this makes me more proud of America than the flag ever has.
Not to some people, and certainly not most football fans.
How about all the wife beating, Drunk Driving (which frequently kills people and entire families), etc.?
Many members of the National Felons League doesn't care about that crap. Until recently, you were lucky to be suspended for a game or two for beating your mother, children, wife.
It's a steady march to better and better Freedom.
Cops are nothing compared to Black on Black Crime.
Cops kill more Whites than Blacks, and proportionally to crime numbers, shootings of Blacks by cops is not exceptional.
To me, it's all about wealthy billionaires, athletic millionairesTwoScoopsMcGee says
How many times has the Coach got the cops to drop the charges against the National Felon League players for stealing laptops and cell phones, assaulting people after bar closings, etc. etc. Not just the black ones.
And therein lies my point. Some people consider the ISIS flag to be the symbol of all that is good and holy. Just because someone has a strong emotional attachment to a symbol, does not mean that symbol is universally accepted as what that person believes it symbolizes. It is perfectly valid for other people to not associate that symbol with good things and even associate it with evil things. The advocate of the symbol is not objectively right, especially if it's the flag of a country that has
Only when America behaves in an honor way will it merit the pride you and I both want to feel in it. My entire life I've been constantly disappointed and shamed by the actions of our government and countrymen. No honorable person would be proud of American history. I'm hoping I'll be proud of America's future. That's why I support the NFL players.
No. The true outrage is over the fact that criminal cops are not prosecuted for their crimes and they are allowed to continue to terrorize the community decade after decade, generation after generation. The police have become terrorists in the most literal sense of the word. That is ample justification for outrage. The very people the population depends on for protection are the ones endangering the population.
Again, what does any of that have to do with the validity of bringing to the public's attention the fact that the police are literally getting away with murder and terrorizing one in eight Americans? Even if every NFL star taking a knee was a violent criminal -- and I have no reason to believe any of them are -- how would that invalidate the need for the public to be aware of the atrocities committed by the police and the failure of the court systems to serve justice? It's like saying that because some Jews were rapists, all the Jews deserved the Holocaust. It's a non-Sequitur.
We're watching multimillionaires discuss oppression.
Compare the rates of Football Players' criminal acts, to that of Hockey Players, Baseball Players, etc.
It's no wonder they're protesting the cops who try to punish them, when they think, because of all the smoke blown up their ass their entire lives, they're entitled to get away with it.
And McGee again avoids the actual subject and tries to distract by attacking the character of random football players.
Chairpeople
It means what the majority, and particularly the majority of Football Fans who are overwhelmingly White and working and middle class, think it means.
What the minority of radicals think isn't important.
The majority can ignore their insistence on focusing only on the negative
their ignorance of history (slavery being the norm for almost all history and the first ban against it by Europeans in the 19th Century)
In the vast, vast majority of police encounters, Blacks don't die.
They do, fact, commit disproportionate crimes. Not surprising because they worship Gangsters and Felons in their Music and Film. But this is ancillary.
I'm not letting a Minority dictate to me what the Flag means.
Protesting at a football game just says "FUCK AMERICA! ULULULULULULU!" It's not effective communication.
There's also a perception problem, when a cop kills a fleeing White or Hispanic criminal, there's little coverage. When it's black, the media descends upon it.
If you want to talk about getting away with stuff, the crime rate in the National Felons League is sky high.
As anybody who is honest will admit, football players often completely dodge any legal system or academic process when they regularly commit crimes and misdeeds that would get any other student suspended or incarcerated with ease.
Football Players often don't like cops because when they get arrested far from their home town or college town, they aren't recognized and not "given the respect" they feel entitled to.
"I hate Cops, yo!"TwoScoopsMcGee says
ex-NFL Ray Rice beats his wife in a hotel elevator.
And McGee again avoids the actual subject and tries to distract by attacking the character of random football players.
We shouldn't be surprised that Criminals, and those associated with criminals, hate cops.
TwoScoopsMcGee saysWe shouldn't be surprised that Criminals, and those associated with criminals, hate cops.
Wow--so you're painting the entire NFL as criminals then? Awesome.
I guess all cops are criminals too then. Look at Drew Peterson. Or this guy:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2541473/Police-officer-shoots-dead-wife-children-mother-law-committing-suicide.html
Or many, many others.
NFL has let America down by catering to liberals and that stupidity.
Finally, regardless of the problems with crime in black communities and the causes of those problems, it is morally wrong to object to people bringing awareness of the unprosecuted crimes of police including murder, rape, and terrorism.
Their kneeling, holding hands, singing jambalaya (spell check liked this word so I went with it - Kumbaya or however it's spelled) doesn't make a damn difference.
Even if every NFL star taking a knee was a violent criminal -- and I have no reason to believe any of them are
the social issues of the black communityWhich are probably 93.47% self-imposed.
I'd say that Martin Luther King might disagree with you.
Your math is brutal
Jambalaya is a stew
NFL has let America down by catering to liberals and that stupidity.
jambalayahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHAsFVjrDyg
Not it does not. If popularity determined the meaning of a symbol and all others were forced to accept it, than the ISIS flag would be the symbol of the one true god. There are more devoted Muslims who believe that then there are non-Muslims who would even recognize the ISIS flag.
No person has the right or the power to force the meaning of a symbol onto another person. Nor does any person have the right to force others to respect and admire the symbols he likes.
While you said finally, it was not the end.
But this line stuck out to me in your novel (I mean that in a good way if you care to believe that)
Most of these guys are greedy ass holes.
And I'm sorry, it is morally wrong for most American's to completely ignore the social issues of the black community.
Cops across this country are ~0.00309% https://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2016/07/24/how-many-police-are-there-in-the-united-states/
Sheesh Dan, it's a novel - not that that's a bad thing - so I'm going to take it piece by piece.
Most American spectators look on the flag as a national symbol of unity, along with the anthem, and to kneel is a sign of disrespect.
The NFL Players don't know what the fuck they're on about because they stood for the British Anthem but sad for the American One. Apparently, Britain was never a colonialist power that engaged in slavery, slaughter, etc. Just the USA?
1. They certainly have freedom of speech. However, that is tempered by being on the clock and representing a brand on national television.
Including the right to criticize and boycott speech we don't like.
2. Empathy. I'm biased against Football Bullies by nature. Too coddled by authority figures most of their lives.
It's also liberty for them to receive feedback from their actions.
4. Freedom of Thought. As much as they can process with their CTE, they have Freedom of Thought.
5. Individualism. They're free to show their individualism, like Kaepernick did when his BLM anti-white fascist 6-figure earning girlfriend pressured him to speak out.
6. Justice for all. Compared to what? Compared to 3/4 of the countries in the world, the US Court System is pretty damn honest.
7. Honest Court Systems. Yep, would be nice. Start with totally free elections of judges, free from BAR control.
8. Public awareness. Many of those cheering on the Players also think Transgender Bathrooms is the most important Human Rights violation in the World today. While happily participating in Child Labor (Coffee, Chocolate Growing) or AltLeft Terrorism. Indeed, Antifa almost certainly backs the players, while attacking Free Speech in the Streets.
9. Democracy is also undermined by wealthy elites pushing their view of things through their extremely unequal control of media and entertainment.
10. Real Patriotism is love of country and people. I doubt these Players give two shits about this.
11. Equality under the law. Lacking more for billionaire crimes than for police, IMHO. Almost everything bad law enforcement does is due to political lobbying of the wealthy. For example, packing private prisons to max capacity. Writing tickets for 65 in a 55 for insurance companies excuse to raise rates.
12. The pursuit of happiness. To entertain yourself for a few hours without extremely controversial bullshit being rubbed in your face.
13. Opposition to Terrorism. Most Terror groups have political wings designed to indoctrinate and propagandize. The NFL Players are the political wing of AltLeft Terrorism.
14. Human and Civil Rights. Too broad to comment upon without specific examples.
15. Honorable. To WW2 and pre-WW2, honorable meant never surrendering, but fighting unto death, so this is a relative term.
While you said finally, it was not the end.
I meant that paragraph stated the final supporting point for that section of my response. The next paragraph was the conclusion for that section. It was not meant to indicate the final paragraph or the final section of my response.
Verboseness is not a measure of how long a message is, but rather how needlessly long it is. My responses may be long, but they are far more concise than just about anything you will ever read. The information density is large and I do not repeat myself. My posts are exactly how long they need to be to completely support the argument I am making. Detailed problems required detailed analysis.
Even if the motivation of the players is self-serving, the message itself is correct. More importantly, the real reasons behind the opposition to their message has nothing to do with the NFL players, but rather the message itself. People would rather kill the messenger than acknowledge the truth of a message that exposes the shame of the tribe. People are too tribal. It's the human beings in the tribe that matter, not the tribal identity. This isn't the Stone Age. The Stone Age sucked. Let's stop living in it.
Since when are black community members ignoring the social issues of black communities. There are countless examples of community leaders, ministers, low-ranking politicians, charity workers, social workers, etc. vocally advocating for cultural changes, community watches, drug rehabilitation, education, and other means of fixing the various problems in poor black communities.
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He just picked a fight with the NFL and has them and the Democrats basically defending the 6-figure and millionaire players' right not to stand for the anthem.
"I'm so oppressed, I just signed a multimillion dollar contract. I just have to kneel during the National Anthem."
A private in the US Army makes $1600 a month. Is he allowed to kneel when the Anthem is played without jeopardizing his career?
The difference of course, is the private has an important job, whereas an NFL Player is just an entertainer.
"Leave the oppressed guys who make 6-7 Figures alone, Orange Douche! If the NFL wants to market itself as America's Pastime while kneeling in front of the flag (which started under a Black President, BTW), nobody should criticize it!"