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Why aren't black athletes protesting inner city murder rates?
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Shaman
2017 Sep 24, 8:00am
Shaman
2017 Sep 24, 8:00am
Because nobody can do anything about that. Or nobody wants to do anything about that. One of those things.
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HEY YOU
2017 Sep 24, 8:46am
Because they don't have to & there is nothing white trash can do about it.
It's called FREEDOM!
Why do Rep/Con/Nazis allow other Republicans to suck the govt. teat & get subsidies?
When will FOX call out all these socialist Republicans?
It's called FREEDOM!
Why do Rep/Con/Nazis allow other Republicans to suck the govt. teat & get subsidies?
When will FOX call out all these socialist Republicans?
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Strategist
2017 Sep 24, 8:47am
Strategist
2017 Sep 24, 8:47am
Blurtman says
Black society has been a complete failure. What are Black heroes like Obama, athletes, and other role models doing to change this? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Shame on them.
While Chicago’s population is about one third black, in 2016, 80 percent of shooting victims were black, as were a large majority of shooting offenders.
Simply stated, black on black crime is the driver for disproportionate police engagement in the community, the driver for disproportionate friction with the community, and the driver for disproportionate black arrest and incarceration rates.
Black society has been a complete failure. What are Black heroes like Obama, athletes, and other role models doing to change this? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Shame on them.
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anonymous
2017 Sep 24, 6:04pm
Strategist says
Any time any black athlete or actor has come out and called out the black communities problems, they have been called Uncle Tom's by their respective communities.
Blurtman saysWhile Chicago’s population is about one third black, in 2016, 80 percent of shooting victims were black, as were a large majority of shooting offenders.
Simply stated, black on black crime is the driver for disproportionate police engagement in the community, the driver for disproportionate friction with the community, and the driver for disproportionate black arrest and incarceration rates.
Black society has been a complete failure. What are Black heroes like Obama, athletes, and other role models doing to change this? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. Shame on them.
Any time any black athlete or actor has come out and called out the black communities problems, they have been called Uncle Tom's by their respective communities.
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2017 Sep 25, 12:54am
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2017 Sep 25, 12:54am
1960 - 24% of blacks born out of wedlock
2015 - 72% of blacks born out of wedlock
Any questions?
2015 - 72% of blacks born out of wedlock
Any questions?
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MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Sep 25, 8:29am
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Sep 25, 8:29am
Because then they'd have to blame themselves, hard.
Instead of blaming Whitey, easy.
Instead of blaming Whitey, easy.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Sep 25, 8:46am
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Sep 25, 8:46am
White Racists don't make Blacks murder over Blacks over "Dissin' me, yo!"
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Goran_K
2017 Sep 25, 9:36am
Goran_K
2017 Sep 25, 9:36am
Things Democrats won't address about the black population:
- single parent family rate
- drop out rates
- graduation rates
- violent crime demographics
Everything is "racism".
- single parent family rate
- drop out rates
- graduation rates
- violent crime demographics
Everything is "racism".
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Dan8267
2017 Sep 25, 9:59am
Dan8267
2017 Sep 25, 9:59am
Blurtman says
Because black civilians who murder other blacks aren't left unprosecuted while getting a paid vacation and exalted as heroes. When a black man murders anyone, even another black man, he is sent to prison for decades or for life. If the exact same thing happened to cops who murdered people, there would be no protests whatsoever.
People protest the injustice because the courts do not prosecute cops who commit murder. That is the outrage. Why do you think criminals with badges should not be prosecuted like the rest of us? Why do you object to equality under the law? If a cop murdered your sleeping 9-year-old daughter and tried to frame your mother for that crime, wouldn't you want the courts to prosecute the murderer?
Why aren't black athletes protesting inner city murder rates?
Because black civilians who murder other blacks aren't left unprosecuted while getting a paid vacation and exalted as heroes. When a black man murders anyone, even another black man, he is sent to prison for decades or for life. If the exact same thing happened to cops who murdered people, there would be no protests whatsoever.
People protest the injustice because the courts do not prosecute cops who commit murder. That is the outrage. Why do you think criminals with badges should not be prosecuted like the rest of us? Why do you object to equality under the law? If a cop murdered your sleeping 9-year-old daughter and tried to frame your mother for that crime, wouldn't you want the courts to prosecute the murderer?
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socal2
2017 Sep 25, 10:07am
Dan8267 says
It's an "outrage" that Democrats, celebrities and BLM pretend there is an endemic case of racist cops murdering black people all over the place.
Of all the problems facing the black community, being killed by a racist cop is very low on the totem pole.
Truly evil shit what the Democrats are doing with their celebrity fanboys stoking division for political gain.
People protest the injustice because the courts do not prosecute cops who commit murder. That is the outrage.
It's an "outrage" that Democrats, celebrities and BLM pretend there is an endemic case of racist cops murdering black people all over the place.
Of all the problems facing the black community, being killed by a racist cop is very low on the totem pole.
Truly evil shit what the Democrats are doing with their celebrity fanboys stoking division for political gain.
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Ernie
2017 Sep 25, 10:23am
socal2 says
There is an endemic case of cops murdering/beating/planting evidence, and getting away with either no penalty at all or just with a slap on the wrist. They do that to whites, blacks, Asians, and would do that to Martians if they somehow would show up on Earth. It is not a question of race, it is a question of police unions (supported, BTW, by Democrats in many localities) getting off their members by hiring million-dollar attorneys and pulling strings in political establishment.
there is an endemic case of racist cops murdering black people all over the place
There is an endemic case of cops murdering/beating/planting evidence, and getting away with either no penalty at all or just with a slap on the wrist. They do that to whites, blacks, Asians, and would do that to Martians if they somehow would show up on Earth. It is not a question of race, it is a question of police unions (supported, BTW, by Democrats in many localities) getting off their members by hiring million-dollar attorneys and pulling strings in political establishment.
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WookieMan
2017 Sep 25, 10:55am
WookieMan
2017 Sep 25, 10:55am
Dan8267 says
I'm not going to argue the police brutality issue here. It does exist and it is a rather small percentage of cops. Does not make it right, so don't take it that way.
That said. I'm on my phone so it's a pain to quote but an earlier commenter did have it correct. The issue is a NEEDED police presence in many of these neighborhoods and therefor increased interaction with blacks. If police patrolled equally by race let's say as a percentage of US population, you literally couldn't go to many neighborhoods in Chicago.
Which most people won't go into now anyway.
The other issues I take, and I will try to remember to get you some evidence later tonight, is that most of these guys killing people in chicago are NOT caught and prosecuted. There's so many times I've read articles about the problems here in chicago and it gets swept under the rug by the community. The gangs have control. No one snitches on each other. I want to say it's something like 50% of black on black crime goes unsolved. There's literally probably seriel killers walking around in Chicago yet their own neighbor won't snitch on them even though they've likely seen them kill someone. It's rather sick.
Solid book for a history of Chicago course I took. Explains the black community in a rather different light. It's been a long time so I don't remember it that well but I remember the core thesis. Give it a read if you're interested in the inner workings of most major cities. And it's not about crime, more the social structure of groups. http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/443213in.html
Blurtman saysWhy aren't black athletes protesting inner city murder rates?
Because black civilians who murder other blacks aren't left unprosecuted while getting a paid vacation and exalted as heroes. When a black man murders anyone, even another black man, he is sent to prison for decades or for life.
I'm not going to argue the police brutality issue here. It does exist and it is a rather small percentage of cops. Does not make it right, so don't take it that way.
That said. I'm on my phone so it's a pain to quote but an earlier commenter did have it correct. The issue is a NEEDED police presence in many of these neighborhoods and therefor increased interaction with blacks. If police patrolled equally by race let's say as a percentage of US population, you literally couldn't go to many neighborhoods in Chicago.
Which most people won't go into now anyway.
The other issues I take, and I will try to remember to get you some evidence later tonight, is that most of these guys killing people in chicago are NOT caught and prosecuted. There's so many times I've read articles about the problems here in chicago and it gets swept under the rug by the community. The gangs have control. No one snitches on each other. I want to say it's something like 50% of black on black crime goes unsolved. There's literally probably seriel killers walking around in Chicago yet their own neighbor won't snitch on them even though they've likely seen them kill someone. It's rather sick.
Solid book for a history of Chicago course I took. Explains the black community in a rather different light. It's been a long time so I don't remember it that well but I remember the core thesis. Give it a read if you're interested in the inner workings of most major cities. And it's not about crime, more the social structure of groups. http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/443213in.html
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Ceffer
2017 Sep 25, 10:59am
Ceffer
2017 Sep 25, 10:59am
Black on black: no con, no shakedown, no secondary gain through crooked legal system, and no victimizing guilt trip on a more organized, civilized and productive social segment.
Without the parasitic reverse rent seeking, no motive to even address the issue.
Without the parasitic reverse rent seeking, no motive to even address the issue.
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Strategist
2017 Sep 25, 11:14am
Strategist
2017 Sep 25, 11:14am
Dan8267 says
Dan, what you say is simply not believable. The outrage is based on race only. When you have Black on Black murders it's business as usual. When you have a White man, especially a White cop kill a Black person, he gets accused of being a racist murderer and all hell breaks lose . Most cops killing a Black person is not due to racism, it's due to self defense. But all the rioting that flares up is only due to racism.
For this nonsense to end, we need the Black heroes to forcefully oppose any rioting that takes place.
Blurtman saysWhy aren't black athletes protesting inner city murder rates?
Because black civilians who murder other blacks aren't left unprosecuted while getting a paid vacation and exalted as heroes. When a black man murders anyone, even another black man, he is sent to prison for decades or for life. If the exact same thing happened to cops who murdered people, there would be no protests whatsoever.
People protest the injustice because the courts do not prosecute cops who commit murder. That is the outrage.
Dan, what you say is simply not believable. The outrage is based on race only. When you have Black on Black murders it's business as usual. When you have a White man, especially a White cop kill a Black person, he gets accused of being a racist murderer and all hell breaks lose . Most cops killing a Black person is not due to racism, it's due to self defense. But all the rioting that flares up is only due to racism.
For this nonsense to end, we need the Black heroes to forcefully oppose any rioting that takes place.
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Dan8267
2017 Sep 25, 11:24am
Dan8267
2017 Sep 25, 11:24am
socal2 says
Whether or not a cop kills an innocent person because of racism is a secondary issue. The fact is that cops who commit murdered are not prosecuted and never face justice. And yes, cops do murder innocent white people as well, but not nearly as often. The criminal cops also plant false evidence, which means that no reasonable juror can ever believe any evidence gathered by the police.
All of these things are very serious issues. If you are more pissed off at people being outraged at this criminal behavior and the courts lack of prosecution than you are at the criminal behavior itself, I can only conclude that you are a bigot that likes innocent black people being murdered. There would be no other explanation for being upset at the outrage over the injustices rather than the injustices themselves.
No cop is above the law. Any cop that commits murder or plants evidence should be prosecuted as vigorously as any other criminal, even more so since he abused the power of the state to commit the crimes. Do you disagree that these criminal cops should be prosecuted?
socal2 says
You have a problem that politicians doing what they are suppose to do, protecting the public, may make them more popular with the public? Why aren't Republicans rallying to prosecute criminal cops and stopping them from murdering innocent people? You should get them to do that instead of bitching that the Democrats look better on this issue. This issue is a no-brainer. Murderers should be tried in an honest court. There is no other side to this issue.
And why aren't you bitching about Republicans waging a war on drugs for purely political reasons? The whole purpose of the war on drugs was to take away the right to vote from people who no longer voted Republican. That's committing a travesty of justice for political gain. Where is your outrage over that?
It's an "outrage" that Democrats, celebrities and BLM pretend there is an endemic case of racist cops murdering black people all over the place.
Whether or not a cop kills an innocent person because of racism is a secondary issue. The fact is that cops who commit murdered are not prosecuted and never face justice. And yes, cops do murder innocent white people as well, but not nearly as often. The criminal cops also plant false evidence, which means that no reasonable juror can ever believe any evidence gathered by the police.
All of these things are very serious issues. If you are more pissed off at people being outraged at this criminal behavior and the courts lack of prosecution than you are at the criminal behavior itself, I can only conclude that you are a bigot that likes innocent black people being murdered. There would be no other explanation for being upset at the outrage over the injustices rather than the injustices themselves.
No cop is above the law. Any cop that commits murder or plants evidence should be prosecuted as vigorously as any other criminal, even more so since he abused the power of the state to commit the crimes. Do you disagree that these criminal cops should be prosecuted?
socal2 says
Truly evil shit what the Democrats are doing with their celebrity fanboys stoking division for political gain.
You have a problem that politicians doing what they are suppose to do, protecting the public, may make them more popular with the public? Why aren't Republicans rallying to prosecute criminal cops and stopping them from murdering innocent people? You should get them to do that instead of bitching that the Democrats look better on this issue. This issue is a no-brainer. Murderers should be tried in an honest court. There is no other side to this issue.
And why aren't you bitching about Republicans waging a war on drugs for purely political reasons? The whole purpose of the war on drugs was to take away the right to vote from people who no longer voted Republican. That's committing a travesty of justice for political gain. Where is your outrage over that?
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Dan8267
2017 Sep 25, 11:32am
Dan8267
2017 Sep 25, 11:32am
WookieMan says
It may be less than 10% of cops who plant the evidence or commit assault or murder, but the vast majority of cops protect the criminal cops who do commit these acts, and that makes them criminals as well.
When a cop assaults an innocent person and another cop stands by, that second cop is just as guilty because he's mere presence makes it impossible for other citizens from stopping the criminal cop. Don't believe me? Try stopping a criminal cop from committing a crime and you'll see all the other cops pounce on you or shoot you for protecting the victim. They are all guilty.
The fact is that if even 10% of cops were honest, it would be utterly impossible for criminal cops to get away with their crimes. You'd constantly be hearing about cops arresting other cops for about six months. Then all these crimes would stop and then the protests would also stop.
There is absolutely no excuse for tolerating crimes from those with the authority to enforce laws. Even the assholes who don't give a damn about the victims of police crime should not tolerate such criminal cops because those cops endanger the life of other cops by making vigilantism against cops a reality.
WookieMan says
True, that explains much of the problem. However, the police often view the people in those neighborhoods as the enemy, and they dehumanize them. A police department that acts like an occupying army is going to commit atrocities and the public is going to react either with protest or vigilantism.
That said, there are plenty of documented instances of the police going after "niggers". That cannot be whitewashed.
It does exist and it is a rather small percentage of cops.
It may be less than 10% of cops who plant the evidence or commit assault or murder, but the vast majority of cops protect the criminal cops who do commit these acts, and that makes them criminals as well.
When a cop assaults an innocent person and another cop stands by, that second cop is just as guilty because he's mere presence makes it impossible for other citizens from stopping the criminal cop. Don't believe me? Try stopping a criminal cop from committing a crime and you'll see all the other cops pounce on you or shoot you for protecting the victim. They are all guilty.
The fact is that if even 10% of cops were honest, it would be utterly impossible for criminal cops to get away with their crimes. You'd constantly be hearing about cops arresting other cops for about six months. Then all these crimes would stop and then the protests would also stop.
There is absolutely no excuse for tolerating crimes from those with the authority to enforce laws. Even the assholes who don't give a damn about the victims of police crime should not tolerate such criminal cops because those cops endanger the life of other cops by making vigilantism against cops a reality.
WookieMan says
The issue is a NEEDED police presence in many of these neighborhoods and therefor increased interaction with blacks.
True, that explains much of the problem. However, the police often view the people in those neighborhoods as the enemy, and they dehumanize them. A police department that acts like an occupying army is going to commit atrocities and the public is going to react either with protest or vigilantism.
That said, there are plenty of documented instances of the police going after "niggers". That cannot be whitewashed.
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Dan8267
2017 Sep 25, 11:40am
Dan8267
2017 Sep 25, 11:40am
Strategist says
Prove that assertion. I have every reason to believe it's bogus.
Strategist says
Show me one instance where a non-police black man who committed a murder caught on video was not even prosecuted for the crime. This has never, ever happened. In order for you statement to be true, not only would this have had to happen frequently, but the public would have to have no outrage over it. What you are describing is not the real world.
If cops who murdered, assaulted, planted evidence, and committed other crimes were prosecuted like any other criminal, there would be abso-fucking-lutely zero outrage. The outrage stems from the complete disregard of justice and human rights by the courts. The outrage is amply justified. If a cop murdered your daughter and was not even made to stand trial, you'd be damn pissed off. You'd be grabbing your gun to kill that cop and get street justice. Now imagine if the innocent people in your neighborhood were killed by cops for 50 years and never prosecuted. You'd be calling for armed revolution, and rightfully so.
Strategist says
The rioting is besides the issue. Rioting is almost always young people using an opportunity to steal and vandalize. It has nothing to do with the very legitimate outrage that a grandmother has when her granddaughter is murdered in cold blood and she is framed for the murder by the cop who did the killing and then that cop does not even stand trial. That grandmother isn't rioting. Fuck the rioters. Let them be prosecuted as they always are. But prosecute the damn criminal cops for their crimes.
Dan, what you say is simply not believable. The outrage is based on race only.
Prove that assertion. I have every reason to believe it's bogus.
Strategist says
When you have Black on Black murders it's business as usual. When you have a White man, especially a White cop kill a Black person, he gets accused of being a racist murderer and all hell breaks lose .
Show me one instance where a non-police black man who committed a murder caught on video was not even prosecuted for the crime. This has never, ever happened. In order for you statement to be true, not only would this have had to happen frequently, but the public would have to have no outrage over it. What you are describing is not the real world.
If cops who murdered, assaulted, planted evidence, and committed other crimes were prosecuted like any other criminal, there would be abso-fucking-lutely zero outrage. The outrage stems from the complete disregard of justice and human rights by the courts. The outrage is amply justified. If a cop murdered your daughter and was not even made to stand trial, you'd be damn pissed off. You'd be grabbing your gun to kill that cop and get street justice. Now imagine if the innocent people in your neighborhood were killed by cops for 50 years and never prosecuted. You'd be calling for armed revolution, and rightfully so.
Strategist says
But all the rioting that flares up is only due to racism.
The rioting is besides the issue. Rioting is almost always young people using an opportunity to steal and vandalize. It has nothing to do with the very legitimate outrage that a grandmother has when her granddaughter is murdered in cold blood and she is framed for the murder by the cop who did the killing and then that cop does not even stand trial. That grandmother isn't rioting. Fuck the rioters. Let them be prosecuted as they always are. But prosecute the damn criminal cops for their crimes.
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socal2
2017 Sep 25, 12:07pm
Dan8267 says
Which cops haven't been prosecuted? Virtually every major cop shooting that has made the news resulted in investigations and prosecutions. Many of these cops were tried and found not guilty by juries or Obama's Department of Justice like the famous Ferguson shooting where we found out the whole "Hands Up - Don't Shoot" was a lie.
Dan8267 says
More white people (armed and unarmed) are shot by cops than black people. Granted the white population is much bigger than the black population, but the black population has a much higher rate of crime.
Dan8267 says
Of course - but this is not a race issue.
Why must evil Democrats make this about race and further divide our country? You give the truly bad cops a pass because you make it about race which is a lie, and people like me will defend against the false charges.
Dan8267 says
See - more Democrat race-baiting bullshit. Many of the leaders of minority communities that were devastated by crack epidemic were begging for cops to police their neighborhoods to try and get the gang-bangers off the streets who were killing everyone. Next thing you will say is that crack was purposefully introduced into the ghetto by the CIA.
The fact is that cops who commit murdered are not prosecuted and never face justice.
Which cops haven't been prosecuted? Virtually every major cop shooting that has made the news resulted in investigations and prosecutions. Many of these cops were tried and found not guilty by juries or Obama's Department of Justice like the famous Ferguson shooting where we found out the whole "Hands Up - Don't Shoot" was a lie.
Dan8267 says
And yes, cops do murder innocent white people as well, but not nearly as often.
More white people (armed and unarmed) are shot by cops than black people. Granted the white population is much bigger than the black population, but the black population has a much higher rate of crime.
Dan8267 says
No cop is above the law. Any cop that commits murder or plants evidence should be prosecuted as vigorously as any other criminal, even more so since he abused the power of the state to commit the crimes. Do you disagree that these criminal cops should be prosecuted?
Of course - but this is not a race issue.
Why must evil Democrats make this about race and further divide our country? You give the truly bad cops a pass because you make it about race which is a lie, and people like me will defend against the false charges.
Dan8267 says
The whole purpose of the war on drugs was to take away the right to vote from people who no longer voted Republican.
See - more Democrat race-baiting bullshit. Many of the leaders of minority communities that were devastated by crack epidemic were begging for cops to police their neighborhoods to try and get the gang-bangers off the streets who were killing everyone. Next thing you will say is that crack was purposefully introduced into the ghetto by the CIA.
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Ernie
2017 Sep 25, 1:59pm
socal2 says
Andrew Blomberg, a former Houston police officer, was acquitted Wednesday in the alleged beating of a black 15-year-old burglary suspect during a videotaped arrest.
In the video footage from a security camera, which jurors were shown in court, Holley is seen falling to the ground after trying to hurdle a police squad car. He's then surrounded by at least five officers, some who appear to kick and hit his head, abdomen and legs.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/andrew-blomberg-ex-houston-police-officer-acquitted-of-beating-teen-suspect/
Video:www.youtube.com/embed/9pc5Dh3Oz4o
Notice that in court the cop who kicked the crap out of the teen said that he was restraining him. This is absolute horseshit - see the video, stomping and kicking a person who is on the ground is not "restraining". If you omit the BS part of the article (that cops are raycist and white, despite the fact that at least one of them is Hispanic), then the rest is actually pretty damning to the current system. None of the cops did any time for something that me or you would be locked away for years.
Which cops haven't been prosecuted?
Andrew Blomberg, a former Houston police officer, was acquitted Wednesday in the alleged beating of a black 15-year-old burglary suspect during a videotaped arrest.
In the video footage from a security camera, which jurors were shown in court, Holley is seen falling to the ground after trying to hurdle a police squad car. He's then surrounded by at least five officers, some who appear to kick and hit his head, abdomen and legs.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/andrew-blomberg-ex-houston-police-officer-acquitted-of-beating-teen-suspect/
Video:www.youtube.com/embed/9pc5Dh3Oz4o
Notice that in court the cop who kicked the crap out of the teen said that he was restraining him. This is absolute horseshit - see the video, stomping and kicking a person who is on the ground is not "restraining". If you omit the BS part of the article (that cops are raycist and white, despite the fact that at least one of them is Hispanic), then the rest is actually pretty damning to the current system. None of the cops did any time for something that me or you would be locked away for years.
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socal2
2017 Sep 25, 2:20pm
drBu says
I am unfamiliar with this case, but the cop was prosecuted and went before a jury - right? Juries get verdicts wrong all the time, often letting guilty people go and even worse - convicting innocent people.
I don't believe this individual case is a good example showing departmental conspiracy to protect bad or racist cops.
Again, I am not disputing that there are some bad cops. Nor am I disputing that there are racist cops. I think the vast majority of the cops are doing the right thing and doing a largely thankless job that can be dangerous. It's wrong to claim there is a sizable chunk of bad/racist cops where we need nationwide protests, riots, and fucking up the NFL and getting Trump involved.
Andrew Blomberg, a former Houston police officer, was acquitted Wednesday in the alleged beating of a black 15-year-old burglary suspect during a videotaped arrest.
In the video footage from a security camera, which jurors were shown in court,
I am unfamiliar with this case, but the cop was prosecuted and went before a jury - right? Juries get verdicts wrong all the time, often letting guilty people go and even worse - convicting innocent people.
I don't believe this individual case is a good example showing departmental conspiracy to protect bad or racist cops.
Again, I am not disputing that there are some bad cops. Nor am I disputing that there are racist cops. I think the vast majority of the cops are doing the right thing and doing a largely thankless job that can be dangerous. It's wrong to claim there is a sizable chunk of bad/racist cops where we need nationwide protests, riots, and fucking up the NFL and getting Trump involved.
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Ernie
2017 Sep 25, 2:34pm
socal2 says
The cop was acquitted because police union hired THE most expensive lawyer in Houston. This is just one of many cases of similar behavior I have seen in SE Texas. It is a systemic problem when police unions provide "protection" to their members no matter what they have done. Even a clear video showing that police beats up the person is not enough for a conviction. This is not racism by any stretch of imagination - I know of one Russian guy who was beaten senseless by police a while ago after traffic stop, and a substantial number of cops here in SE TX are Hispanic - problem is the general impunity with which cops operate.
the cop was prosecuted and went before a jury - right? Juries get verdicts wrong all the time, often letting guilty people go and even worse - convicting innocent people.
I don't believe this individual case is a good example showing departmental conspiracy to protect bad or racist cops.
The cop was acquitted because police union hired THE most expensive lawyer in Houston. This is just one of many cases of similar behavior I have seen in SE Texas. It is a systemic problem when police unions provide "protection" to their members no matter what they have done. Even a clear video showing that police beats up the person is not enough for a conviction. This is not racism by any stretch of imagination - I know of one Russian guy who was beaten senseless by police a while ago after traffic stop, and a substantial number of cops here in SE TX are Hispanic - problem is the general impunity with which cops operate.
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Dan8267
2017 Sep 25, 2:46pm
Dan8267
2017 Sep 25, 2:46pm
socal2 says
Practically all of them including the one that murdered a sleeping 9-year-old girl and then tried to frame her grandmother. I have documented countless examples. Feel free to spend hours reading my previous threads on these examples.
socal2 says
WTF is your point? Per capita, innocent and cooperating blacks are more likely to be shot than whites. But is everything about race to you? Racism is certainly a component of criminal cops, but the fundamental point is that criminal cops should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of the race of their victims.
There is a deep problem in the United States with criminal cops and the militarization of the police. Only a fool would disagree with that. Every other western nation has a far lower fatality rate, and the statistics prove that the high rate of murder by police is NOT a function of crime or violent crime or danger. Crime and violent crime has been plummeting since the mid-1990s. Meanwhile, the criminal cop murder rate has been going up.
The attitude that no cop can do any wrong no matter who he kills or why is a large part of the problem.
socal2 says
The party of the South is the party of evil. Today that's Republicans. The conservative right is pure fucking evil. They are the ones who torture, turn citizens into political prisoners, treat our soldiers like cannon fodder, and target innocent civilians in war. Republicans are pure evil.
The Democrats today and ever since Nixon's Southern Strategy have been the far lesser of the two evils. Anyone who does not admit that is evil.
Furthermore, race is certainly a component of criminal cops who murder and assault. To deny or whitewash that is a lie. The Democrats aren't making this about race. The criminal cops are making this about race by targeting blacks.
There have been countless times that the police have been caught red handed in targeting minorities for false arrest, violence, and planting evidence. Usually they get away even if the evidence is beyond doubt. Here's an example when they did not get away, mainly because the judge was black. The cops were caught on video stating they were going to hunt for blacks and plant evidence, and then they brutally assaulted an innocent old man.
www.youtube.com/embed/XrXdLvGCRIQ
Additionally, police department have illegal quotas to target minorities regardless of whether or not they are criminals. Here are actual cops blowing the whistle. Of course, these are minority cops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK35y9-dTuw
And occasionally a cop pulls over the wrong person with the intent to make a false arrest. By sheer bad luck, a criminal cop intending to arrest an innocent black woman pulls over one that is a state attorney. You can hear the fear in this criminal cop's voice as he unconvincingly tries to back off after he realizes that he tried to frame a powerful state attorney with connection. He lies like crazy once caught, but she's not buying it.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chicago+police+target+black+driver
So don't tell me that racism has nothing to do with criminal cop behavior. It's not the whole story, maybe even not the majority, but it's damn significant and undeniable.
In any case, no criminal behavior by cops should be tolerated. Those who enforce the law must obey it. To use the power of the state to commit a crime makes the crime a hundred times worse.
socal2 says
This is a straw man argument. I never said anything remotely like that. However, cops frequently plant false evidence including crack on their victims. Such criminal cops should never see the light of day again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcWXVDiEjzU
Now give me one reason why any of these crimes should be tolerated.
Which cops haven't been prosecuted?
Practically all of them including the one that murdered a sleeping 9-year-old girl and then tried to frame her grandmother. I have documented countless examples. Feel free to spend hours reading my previous threads on these examples.
socal2 says
More white people (armed and unarmed) are shot by cops than black people. Granted the white population is much bigger than the black population, but the black population has a much higher rate of crime.
WTF is your point? Per capita, innocent and cooperating blacks are more likely to be shot than whites. But is everything about race to you? Racism is certainly a component of criminal cops, but the fundamental point is that criminal cops should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of the race of their victims.
There is a deep problem in the United States with criminal cops and the militarization of the police. Only a fool would disagree with that. Every other western nation has a far lower fatality rate, and the statistics prove that the high rate of murder by police is NOT a function of crime or violent crime or danger. Crime and violent crime has been plummeting since the mid-1990s. Meanwhile, the criminal cop murder rate has been going up.
The attitude that no cop can do any wrong no matter who he kills or why is a large part of the problem.
socal2 says
Why must evil Democrats make this about race and further divide our country?
The party of the South is the party of evil. Today that's Republicans. The conservative right is pure fucking evil. They are the ones who torture, turn citizens into political prisoners, treat our soldiers like cannon fodder, and target innocent civilians in war. Republicans are pure evil.
The Democrats today and ever since Nixon's Southern Strategy have been the far lesser of the two evils. Anyone who does not admit that is evil.
Furthermore, race is certainly a component of criminal cops who murder and assault. To deny or whitewash that is a lie. The Democrats aren't making this about race. The criminal cops are making this about race by targeting blacks.
There have been countless times that the police have been caught red handed in targeting minorities for false arrest, violence, and planting evidence. Usually they get away even if the evidence is beyond doubt. Here's an example when they did not get away, mainly because the judge was black. The cops were caught on video stating they were going to hunt for blacks and plant evidence, and then they brutally assaulted an innocent old man.
www.youtube.com/embed/XrXdLvGCRIQ
Additionally, police department have illegal quotas to target minorities regardless of whether or not they are criminals. Here are actual cops blowing the whistle. Of course, these are minority cops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK35y9-dTuw
And occasionally a cop pulls over the wrong person with the intent to make a false arrest. By sheer bad luck, a criminal cop intending to arrest an innocent black woman pulls over one that is a state attorney. You can hear the fear in this criminal cop's voice as he unconvincingly tries to back off after he realizes that he tried to frame a powerful state attorney with connection. He lies like crazy once caught, but she's not buying it.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=chicago+police+target+black+driver
So don't tell me that racism has nothing to do with criminal cop behavior. It's not the whole story, maybe even not the majority, but it's damn significant and undeniable.
In any case, no criminal behavior by cops should be tolerated. Those who enforce the law must obey it. To use the power of the state to commit a crime makes the crime a hundred times worse.
socal2 says
Next thing you will say is that crack was purposefully introduced into the ghetto by the CIA.
This is a straw man argument. I never said anything remotely like that. However, cops frequently plant false evidence including crack on their victims. Such criminal cops should never see the light of day again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcWXVDiEjzU
Now give me one reason why any of these crimes should be tolerated.
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socal2
2017 Sep 25, 3:16pm
Dan8267 says
Really - "practically all" cops caught doing a crime are not prosecuted?
Dan8267 says
I agree that criminal cops should be prosecuted. But the BLM movement and NFL protests are all based on the notion that our country's criminal justice system is racist top to bottom. That is flat out false and all of the kneeling athletes should be called out on it.
Dan8267 says
The Southern Democrat party certainly was racist and evil. The Democrats are the party of slavery, segregation and Jim Crow.
Once the South ditched the racist Democrat party and became Republicans, they became less racist.
Practically all of them
Really - "practically all" cops caught doing a crime are not prosecuted?
Dan8267 says
WTF is your point? Per capita, innocent and cooperating blacks are more likely to be shot than whites. But is everything about race to you? Racism is certainly a component of criminal cops, but the fundamental point is that criminal cops should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of the race of their victims.
I agree that criminal cops should be prosecuted. But the BLM movement and NFL protests are all based on the notion that our country's criminal justice system is racist top to bottom. That is flat out false and all of the kneeling athletes should be called out on it.
Dan8267 says
The party of the South is the party of evil. Today that's Republicans.
The Southern Democrat party certainly was racist and evil. The Democrats are the party of slavery, segregation and Jim Crow.
Once the South ditched the racist Democrat party and became Republicans, they became less racist.
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Strategist
2017 Sep 25, 3:19pm
Strategist
2017 Sep 25, 3:19pm
Dan8267 says
If it's all about bad cops and not race, Whites, Asians, Brown and Martians would all be victims. So why are just the Blacks kicking up such a fuss and rioting, and not the other groups?
socal2 saysMore white people (armed and unarmed) are shot by cops than black people. Granted the white population is much bigger than the black population, but the black population has a much higher rate of crime.
WTF is your point? Per capita, innocent and cooperating blacks are more likely to be shot than whites. But is everything about race to you? Racism is certainly a component of criminal cops, but the fundamental point is that criminal cops should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law regardless of the race of their victims.
If it's all about bad cops and not race, Whites, Asians, Brown and Martians would all be victims. So why are just the Blacks kicking up such a fuss and rioting, and not the other groups?
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Dan8267
2017 Sep 25, 3:30pm
Dan8267
2017 Sep 25, 3:30pm
socal2 says
Yes. I'd be shocked if even 0.1% were prosecuted. Criminal behavior including violent assault and planting of false evidence is damn common. Prosecution almost never heard of.
But hey, prove me wrong.
socal2 says
Your statement is meaningless. Exactly how are you measuring how much crime by cops is due directly or indirectly to racism? How much would be acceptable to you? How much would it take for you to not ignore the racial component or to acknowledge the validity of including race as part of the discussion of the problem?
The bottom line is that no criminal behavior by cops should be tolerated and race is a significant aspect of that criminal behavior. Statistics proves this beyond any doubt whatsoever. You might not be able to prove if an individual incident is racially motivated, but statistics ensures that you can precisely measure the factor of race in the aggregate, and it's damn significant.
In any case, tolerating violence against minorities only increases the chance that violence will be used wrongfully against you and your family. First they came for the socialists... The only way to protect your rights is to protect everybody else's.
socal2 says
Your statement is entirely incorrect. The American South has always been evil and they ditched the Democratic Party because they were racist and wanted to continue racism when Kennedy and Johnson were promoting civil rights. On behalf of Nixon, the entire Republican Party started courting racists. The pre-1960s Democratic Party was not the cause of the racism of the American South, it was the effect. Today's Republican Party is also the effect of the racism of the American South. All the non-racists were kicked out of the Republican Party and became Democrats. You don't get to rewrite history. This is very well documented and the more you spread lies about the history of the two parties, the more opportunities I have to expose those lies.
Really - "practically all" cops caught doing a crime are not prosecuted?
Yes. I'd be shocked if even 0.1% were prosecuted. Criminal behavior including violent assault and planting of false evidence is damn common. Prosecution almost never heard of.
But hey, prove me wrong.
socal2 says
But the BLM movement and NFL protests are all based on the notion that our country's criminal justice system is racist top to bottom.
Your statement is meaningless. Exactly how are you measuring how much crime by cops is due directly or indirectly to racism? How much would be acceptable to you? How much would it take for you to not ignore the racial component or to acknowledge the validity of including race as part of the discussion of the problem?
The bottom line is that no criminal behavior by cops should be tolerated and race is a significant aspect of that criminal behavior. Statistics proves this beyond any doubt whatsoever. You might not be able to prove if an individual incident is racially motivated, but statistics ensures that you can precisely measure the factor of race in the aggregate, and it's damn significant.
In any case, tolerating violence against minorities only increases the chance that violence will be used wrongfully against you and your family. First they came for the socialists... The only way to protect your rights is to protect everybody else's.
socal2 says
Once the South ditched the racist Democrat party and became Republicans, they became less racist.
Your statement is entirely incorrect. The American South has always been evil and they ditched the Democratic Party because they were racist and wanted to continue racism when Kennedy and Johnson were promoting civil rights. On behalf of Nixon, the entire Republican Party started courting racists. The pre-1960s Democratic Party was not the cause of the racism of the American South, it was the effect. Today's Republican Party is also the effect of the racism of the American South. All the non-racists were kicked out of the Republican Party and became Democrats. You don't get to rewrite history. This is very well documented and the more you spread lies about the history of the two parties, the more opportunities I have to expose those lies.
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Ernie
2017 Sep 25, 3:40pm
socal2 says
I think these are separate issues. (1) Police and criminal justice system are deeply unfair, stacked against poor people no matter what their race is, and lets criminal cops off the hook. Provided that blacks are more poor, they get railroaded by justice system more often than others. (2) Blabbering by BLM etc just makes things worse, as they see racism even in weather forecasts, thus turning off many other people who would be sympathetic to their cause if BLM was against police unaccountability and brutality. As it looks now, BLM etc is here to provide political opportunities for their leaders.
I agree that criminal cops should be prosecuted. But the BLM movement and NFL protests are all based on the notion that our country's criminal justice system is racist top to bottom. That is flat out false and all of the kneeling athletes should be called out on it.
I think these are separate issues. (1) Police and criminal justice system are deeply unfair, stacked against poor people no matter what their race is, and lets criminal cops off the hook. Provided that blacks are more poor, they get railroaded by justice system more often than others. (2) Blabbering by BLM etc just makes things worse, as they see racism even in weather forecasts, thus turning off many other people who would be sympathetic to their cause if BLM was against police unaccountability and brutality. As it looks now, BLM etc is here to provide political opportunities for their leaders.
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socal2
2017 Sep 25, 3:45pm
drBu says
This is entirely my point.
This whole BLM nonsense has given many bad cops a pass.
I still don't think our criminal justice system is systemically corrupt........let alone racist. Many of the towns where unarmed blacks were shot were in towns that had minorities in the majority of the City Councils, minorities as mayors and police chiefs.
(2) Blabbering by BLM etc just makes things worse, as they see racism even in weather forecasts, thus turning off many other people who would be sympathetic to their cause
This is entirely my point.
This whole BLM nonsense has given many bad cops a pass.
I still don't think our criminal justice system is systemically corrupt........let alone racist. Many of the towns where unarmed blacks were shot were in towns that had minorities in the majority of the City Councils, minorities as mayors and police chiefs.
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Blurtman
2017 Sep 25, 3:47pm
Dan8267 says
Think about that logic. As long as we successfully prosecute people who put Plutonium-239 in our drinking water, we should be complacent. Most rational folks would not hesitate to prevent the toxic isotope from being put in our drinking supply to begin with.
You are implying that as long as police who violate the rights of African Americans are prosecuted, then the outrageous murder rates in inner city black communities are to be tolerated, and not to be the focus of black athlete PR campaigns.
Why aren't black NFL players speaking out about the ridiculous out of wedlock birth rate in the black community? Or the outrageous obesity rates in the female black community?
The players seem to place the perception of being treated with respect above all else. What a pathetic and bankrupt way to operate.
The fact is that cops who commit murdered are not prosecuted and never face justice. And yes, cops do murder innocent white people as well, but not nearly as often. The criminal cops also plant false evidence, which means that no reasonable juror can ever believe any evidence gathered by the police.
Think about that logic. As long as we successfully prosecute people who put Plutonium-239 in our drinking water, we should be complacent. Most rational folks would not hesitate to prevent the toxic isotope from being put in our drinking supply to begin with.
You are implying that as long as police who violate the rights of African Americans are prosecuted, then the outrageous murder rates in inner city black communities are to be tolerated, and not to be the focus of black athlete PR campaigns.
Why aren't black NFL players speaking out about the ridiculous out of wedlock birth rate in the black community? Or the outrageous obesity rates in the female black community?
The players seem to place the perception of being treated with respect above all else. What a pathetic and bankrupt way to operate.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Sep 25, 3:58pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Sep 25, 3:58pm
The Democrats have run Most of the worst inner cities in America for at least half a century.
Baltimore
Chicago
Detroit
Philadelphia
Newark
Not just a bare majority. In most of these places you'd be hard pressed to find elected Republican. Near total control. The Democrats own the inner city and everything that happens there.
Baltimore
Chicago
Detroit
Philadelphia
Newark
Not just a bare majority. In most of these places you'd be hard pressed to find elected Republican. Near total control. The Democrats own the inner city and everything that happens there.
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WookieMan
2017 Sep 25, 4:22pm
WookieMan
2017 Sep 25, 4:22pm
Dan8267 says
I get your point here, but let's hold all citizens to this standard. I don't tolerate any criminals whether they're a cop, doctor, mechanic, judge or a black person that is in any of those professions. Unfortunately criminals will always be around. My question is how can we reduce the disproportionate amount of black criminals in our society? Any criminals for that matter? Because if they're all reduced, the police brutality issue would also be reduced because police departments can scrutinize recruits much more and only hire the best. Mind you there will still be some bad ones. Impossible to make it completely go away.
This is why some of the protests ring hollow to me though. Arrrrgghhh, police brutality!!! Hey hillbilly red necks! Stop robbing the liquor store. Hey blacks, stop shooting each other. Stop doing that shit and we need way fewer cops. We know the cause of ALL of this. Yet we blame the wrong things most of the time. How about fixing the cause of needing the cops in the first place? Nah, it's just the cops, the government, my employer and someone of some race besides my own that is causing all of this. No one is to blame and everyone is to blame. LOL.
The bottom line is that no criminal behavior by cops should be tolerated and race is a significant aspect of that criminal behavior.
I get your point here, but let's hold all citizens to this standard. I don't tolerate any criminals whether they're a cop, doctor, mechanic, judge or a black person that is in any of those professions. Unfortunately criminals will always be around. My question is how can we reduce the disproportionate amount of black criminals in our society? Any criminals for that matter? Because if they're all reduced, the police brutality issue would also be reduced because police departments can scrutinize recruits much more and only hire the best. Mind you there will still be some bad ones. Impossible to make it completely go away.
This is why some of the protests ring hollow to me though. Arrrrgghhh, police brutality!!! Hey hillbilly red necks! Stop robbing the liquor store. Hey blacks, stop shooting each other. Stop doing that shit and we need way fewer cops. We know the cause of ALL of this. Yet we blame the wrong things most of the time. How about fixing the cause of needing the cops in the first place? Nah, it's just the cops, the government, my employer and someone of some race besides my own that is causing all of this. No one is to blame and everyone is to blame. LOL.
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anonymous
2017 Sep 25, 5:04pm
Why aren't pig corporate billionaires, who own and control the credit/money supply and use that power to buy governments and their media and other government institutions to implement their policy of "Full Spectrum Dominance" by creating "Perpetual Conflict In The Masses" ever discussed on deflective sell outweb sites?
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WookieMan
2017 Sep 25, 5:07pm
WookieMan
2017 Sep 25, 5:07pm
WookieMan says
I was being conservative. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-homicide-clearance-rate-20160909-story.html
This is just one of the articles I vaguely remember reading. At some point, at least in Chicago, what the hell can cops do? These teenagers and young men are literally significantly safer joining the armed services in some form and going to Afghanistan (or soon to be North Korea). Cops do bad things, you won't hear me argue that. I just don't think you can attack that problem until you try to reduce the real problem that they (the cops) deal with on a daily basis. They deal with a completely uncooperative group of people, that have likely seen someone get shot and hate the cops enough to not even cooperate.
The other issues I take, and I will try to remember to get you some evidence later tonight, is that most of these guys killing people in chicago are NOT caught and prosecuted. There's so many times I've read articles about the problems here in chicago and it gets swept under the rug by the community. The gangs have control. No one snitches on each other. I want to say it's something like 50% of black on black crime goes unsolved. There's literally probably seriel killers walking around in Chicago yet their own neighbor won't snitch on them even though they've likely seen them kill someone. It's rather sick.
I was being conservative. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-homicide-clearance-rate-20160909-story.html
This is just one of the articles I vaguely remember reading. At some point, at least in Chicago, what the hell can cops do? These teenagers and young men are literally significantly safer joining the armed services in some form and going to Afghanistan (or soon to be North Korea). Cops do bad things, you won't hear me argue that. I just don't think you can attack that problem until you try to reduce the real problem that they (the cops) deal with on a daily basis. They deal with a completely uncooperative group of people, that have likely seen someone get shot and hate the cops enough to not even cooperate.
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Dan8267
2017 Sep 25, 6:24pm
Dan8267
2017 Sep 25, 6:24pm
drBu says
These are the real issues.
1. The courts are corrupt and will not prosecute criminal cops. The only solution to this is a separate court system to try cops. The existing court system will not prosecute cops because their power is enforced by cops.
2. The court system is designed to maximize profits, not justice.
3. Poor people get shit legal representation.
4. Adjusted for poverty, blacks get far more time and are prosecuted far more often than whites especially in drug laws. This is the racist part.
5. The war on drug was created to prevent blacks from voting. This is also a racist part.
6. The penal system is designed to maximize recidivism because recidivism is profitable to the courts and the prison industry.
7. There are perverse financial incentives for police, courts, and prison guards.
drBu says
BLM started out as a civil movement to stop the wholesale murder of innocent blacks, particularly men. It was demonized by the conservative right immediately, and later taken over by SJWs and vandals. That does not mean the original message is wrong. It is a fact that cops are more likely to shoot innocent black men than any other group. It is a fact that many cops do not value the lives of the black men they shoot. Why is a secondary question. The facts themselves are indisputable.
I don't give a shit about slogans, hash tags, and identity politics. The bottom line is that the police state needs to be stopped regardless of racism, although racism is certainly part of the problem. However, even if racism suddenly ended, there would still be criminal cops, and that must be stopped.
I think these are separate issues. (1) Police and criminal justice system are deeply unfair, stacked against poor people no matter what their race is, and lets criminal cops off the hook. Provided that blacks are more poor, they get railroaded by justice system more often than others.
These are the real issues.
1. The courts are corrupt and will not prosecute criminal cops. The only solution to this is a separate court system to try cops. The existing court system will not prosecute cops because their power is enforced by cops.
2. The court system is designed to maximize profits, not justice.
3. Poor people get shit legal representation.
4. Adjusted for poverty, blacks get far more time and are prosecuted far more often than whites especially in drug laws. This is the racist part.
5. The war on drug was created to prevent blacks from voting. This is also a racist part.
6. The penal system is designed to maximize recidivism because recidivism is profitable to the courts and the prison industry.
7. There are perverse financial incentives for police, courts, and prison guards.
drBu says
Blabbering by BLM etc just makes things worse, as they see racism even in weather forecasts, thus turning off many other people who would be sympathetic to their cause if BLM was against police unaccountability and brutality.
BLM started out as a civil movement to stop the wholesale murder of innocent blacks, particularly men. It was demonized by the conservative right immediately, and later taken over by SJWs and vandals. That does not mean the original message is wrong. It is a fact that cops are more likely to shoot innocent black men than any other group. It is a fact that many cops do not value the lives of the black men they shoot. Why is a secondary question. The facts themselves are indisputable.
I don't give a shit about slogans, hash tags, and identity politics. The bottom line is that the police state needs to be stopped regardless of racism, although racism is certainly part of the problem. However, even if racism suddenly ended, there would still be criminal cops, and that must be stopped.
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Dan8267
2017 Sep 25, 6:33pm
Dan8267
2017 Sep 25, 6:33pm
Blurtman says
WTF? That's not remotely what I'm saying. And I don't imply things. I outright state them with the conviction of a thousand burning suns. I don't do subtly. I do clarity.
You are being ridiculous in stating that the athletes are wrong for not adopting other causes you rather they adopt. The fact is that in order for any grassroot movement to be successful, it must be focused. There are thousands of worthy causes that the athletes could have taken up, but if they took up more than one, they would fail. Just because you don't like the cause they pick, does not make them hypocrites for not focusing on something else instead. You are trivializing the murders, assaults, and terrorism committed by criminal cops.
And yes, terrorism is the proper term. When the police kill innocent people, they are literally committing acts of terror and terrorizing communities. When they do this they are no different from any other terrorist scumbag. So calling for an end to terrorism is hardly an outlandish cause.
Can you give one reason why the public should not be made aware of the travesty of justice that has been plaguing one in eight American citizens for the past 50 years?
Think about that logic. As long as we successfully prosecute people who put Plutonium-239 in our drinking water, we should be complacent. Most rational folks would not hesitate to prevent the toxic isotope from being put in our drinking supply to begin with.
You are implying that as long as police who violate the rights of African Americans are prosecuted, then the outrageous murder rates in inner city black communities are to be tolerated, and not to be the focus of black athlete PR campaigns.
WTF? That's not remotely what I'm saying. And I don't imply things. I outright state them with the conviction of a thousand burning suns. I don't do subtly. I do clarity.
You are being ridiculous in stating that the athletes are wrong for not adopting other causes you rather they adopt. The fact is that in order for any grassroot movement to be successful, it must be focused. There are thousands of worthy causes that the athletes could have taken up, but if they took up more than one, they would fail. Just because you don't like the cause they pick, does not make them hypocrites for not focusing on something else instead. You are trivializing the murders, assaults, and terrorism committed by criminal cops.
And yes, terrorism is the proper term. When the police kill innocent people, they are literally committing acts of terror and terrorizing communities. When they do this they are no different from any other terrorist scumbag. So calling for an end to terrorism is hardly an outlandish cause.
Can you give one reason why the public should not be made aware of the travesty of justice that has been plaguing one in eight American citizens for the past 50 years?
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Strategist
2017 Sep 25, 6:36pm
Strategist
2017 Sep 25, 6:36pm
Dan8267 says
I agree with #3. The rest is just nonsense.
You expect the taxpayer to pay $10 million like OJ did, just to get away with murder. Ain't gonna happen. Just because they are poor does not make them innocent.
These are the real issues.
1. The courts are corrupt and will not prosecute criminal cops. The only solution to this is a separate court system to try cops. The existing court system will not prosecute cops because their power is enforced by cops.
2. The court system is designed to maximize profits, not justice.
3. Poor people get shit legal representation.
4. Adjusted for poverty, blacks get far more time and are prosecuted far more often than whites especially in drug laws. This is the racist part.
5. The war on drug was created to prevent blacks from voting. This is also a racist part.
6. The penal system is designed to maximize recidivism because recidivism is profitable to the courts and the prison industry.
7. There are perverse financial incentives for police, courts, and prison guards.
I agree with #3. The rest is just nonsense.
You expect the taxpayer to pay $10 million like OJ did, just to get away with murder. Ain't gonna happen. Just because they are poor does not make them innocent.
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Dan8267
2017 Sep 25, 6:40pm
Dan8267
2017 Sep 25, 6:40pm
TwoScoopsMcGee says
The Democrats have also the very most productive cities and states for the past half century including Silicon Valley and New York City.
Meanwhile the Republicans have ran the poorest states and bankrupted them. Have you seen Kansas?
The bottom line is that Republicans can't handle business, money, debt, or technology. They suck at both economics and government. They destroyed the middle class while crushing America with debt. They deliberately sabotaged the economy for political gain. Republican voters have never produced anything. The only wealth obtained by Republican states has been due to natural resources that just happen to be in the states. Meanwhile, blue states have created everything in our economy except high fructose corn syrup. All tech comes from liberals. All entertainment as well. These two industries are the only exporting industries and are responsible for most of the wealth creation in the United States.
As bad as Democrats are, they are always better on the economy than Republicans because they don't sell off America at fire sale prices.
The Democrats have run Most of the worst inner cities in America for at least half a century.
The Democrats have also the very most productive cities and states for the past half century including Silicon Valley and New York City.
Meanwhile the Republicans have ran the poorest states and bankrupted them. Have you seen Kansas?
The bottom line is that Republicans can't handle business, money, debt, or technology. They suck at both economics and government. They destroyed the middle class while crushing America with debt. They deliberately sabotaged the economy for political gain. Republican voters have never produced anything. The only wealth obtained by Republican states has been due to natural resources that just happen to be in the states. Meanwhile, blue states have created everything in our economy except high fructose corn syrup. All tech comes from liberals. All entertainment as well. These two industries are the only exporting industries and are responsible for most of the wealth creation in the United States.
As bad as Democrats are, they are always better on the economy than Republicans because they don't sell off America at fire sale prices.
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Dan8267
2017 Sep 25, 6:48pm
Dan8267
2017 Sep 25, 6:48pm
WookieMan says
Not even I am that pessimistic about the future. With the exception of financial crime and crimes committed by cops and other government agents, all crime has been plummeting. There is every reason to believe this trend will continue.
WookieMan says
It's already being done.
We are rapidly approaching a crime-free society. If it doesn't feel that way to you, it's because news outlets use scare tactics to drive up ratings.
The reality is that you live in the safest time in all of human history.
Unfortunately criminals will always be around.
Not even I am that pessimistic about the future. With the exception of financial crime and crimes committed by cops and other government agents, all crime has been plummeting. There is every reason to believe this trend will continue.
WookieMan says
My question is how can we reduce the disproportionate amount of black criminals in our society?
It's already being done.
We are rapidly approaching a crime-free society. If it doesn't feel that way to you, it's because news outlets use scare tactics to drive up ratings.
The reality is that you live in the safest time in all of human history.
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Strategist
2017 Sep 25, 7:02pm
Strategist
2017 Sep 25, 7:02pm
Dan8267 says
That's awesome. I wonder what caused violent crime to go down since 1981. Here are 3 possible reasons.
1. When Reagan became President the economy started improving. A better economy leads to more jobs and less crime.
2. A tougher crackdown on criminals. Like when Clinton set out to hire 100,000 policemen.
3. Three strikes.
We are rapidly approaching a crime-free society. If it doesn't feel that way to you, it's because news outlets use scare tactics to drive up ratings.
The reality is that you live in the safest time in all of human history.
That's awesome. I wonder what caused violent crime to go down since 1981. Here are 3 possible reasons.
1. When Reagan became President the economy started improving. A better economy leads to more jobs and less crime.
2. A tougher crackdown on criminals. Like when Clinton set out to hire 100,000 policemen.
3. Three strikes.
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Simply stated, black on black crime is the driver for disproportionate police engagement in the community, the driver for disproportionate friction with the community, and the driver for disproportionate black arrest and incarceration rates.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/07/14/illinois-politicians-wake-up-to-chicagos-murder-plague.html