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Pluto getting warmer.


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2017 Sep 27, 11:38am   13,666 views  59 comments

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4923342/Mystery-giganctic-ice-blades-Pluto.html
The formation of the bladed terrain begins with methane freezing out of the atmosphere at extreme altitudes on Pluto, in the same way frost freezes on the ground on Earth, or even in your freezer.

'It turns out that Pluto undergoes climate variation and sometimes, when Pluto is a little warmer, the methane ice begins to basically 'evaporate' away.'

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1   Tenpoundbass   2017 Sep 27, 12:35pm  

Send Al Gore to investigate
2   Dan8267   2017 Sep 27, 2:57pm  

Trying to discredit man-made climate change on Earth by comparing it to Pluto is a down-right stupid and dishonest argument. For decades scientists have told us that Pluto's atmosphere freezes during the part of its orbit that is farthest from the sun and thaws during the part closest to the sun. Pluto's orbit is highly elliptical. Earth's is not. You are simply talking about Pluto's seasons, not climate change on it.

Earth's man-made climate change has nothing to do with seasons. The Earth is getting warmer year-over-year. Denying that because it gets colder in the northern hemisphere between October and February is just plan stupid and dishonest.
3   MrMagic   2017 Sep 27, 3:23pm  

Dan8267 says
Earth's man-made climate change has nothing to do with seasons. The Earth is getting warmer year-over-year. Denying that because it gets colder in the northern hemisphere between October and February is just plan stupid and dishonest.


Yes, the earth tilting on it's axis and getting warmer during the Summer (closer to the sun), is a nothing burger, but Pluto melting when it gets closer to the same sun is important.
4   Dan8267   2017 Sep 27, 5:57pm  

me123 says
Yes, the earth tilting on it's axis and getting warmer during the Summer (closer to the sun), is a nothing burger, but Pluto melting when it gets closer to the same sun is important.


My god, you're stupid piggy. The Earth is closer to the sun during the northern winters. The north hemisphere is colder at that time because of the title of the Earth. Even fifth graders know this.

As for Pluto, it's distance to the sun varies from 29.7 au to 49.3 au. That's a 40% increase! In contrast Earth's distance to the sun varies from 146 million km to 152 million km, a mere 3.9% increase. You are a fucking moron.

The science clearly explains exactly how man-made pollution is changing the climate, warming the Earth, making extremely severe hurricanes far more common, causing vast flooding, fucking with crop yields, and threatening trillions of dollars of real estate and hundreds of billions of dollars per year of economic productivity in coastal areas alone.

The only good thing about your asinine comments is that they demonstrate how moronic your team is.
5   anonymous   2017 Sep 27, 6:13pm  

You'd think this will make liberals compare and think about their idiotic beliefs on global warming... but you'd be wrong. Because they are liberals, they don't think. Thinking isn't there, they make mind, reason backwards (like Dan), and tell everyone how smart they are.
6   Dan8267   2017 Sep 27, 6:18pm  

All those physicists who explain why Pluto's orbit causes such vast temperature changes are liberals.

Here's a liberal equation for you.

I = k / d^2

Figure it out genius.

#factsHaveALiberalBias
7   Onvacation   2017 Sep 28, 6:27am  

Dan8267 says
The Earth is getting warmer year-over-year. D

How much and what temp is ideal?

I know you wont answer.
8   Onvacation   2017 Sep 28, 6:30am  

Dan8267 says
The science clearly explains exactly how man-made pollution is changing the climate, warming the Earth, making extremely severe hurricanes far more common, causing vast flooding, fucking with crop yields, and threatening trillions of dollars of real estate and hundreds of billions of dollars per year of economic productivity in coastal areas alone.

The sky is falling!
9   Dan8267   2017 Sep 28, 8:57am  

Onvacation says
How much and what temp is ideal?

I know you wont answer.


There is no such thing as an ideal temperature. That's a red herring. The fact that there is no such thing as an ideal temperature does not mean that man-made climate change isn't a far greater threat than terrorism. Climate change is uncontrolled and increasing exponentially with time. It threatens our very species. Even short of that it threatens our food supply, national security, trillions of dollars of real estate, millions of businesses and jobs, and will wipe out entire cities along the U.S. coast.

Ignoring all this simply because the entire world doesn't agree on some arbitrary ideal temperature is just plain stupid. It's like ignoring terrorism because not everyone agrees on the ideal wording of a speech condemning terrorism.

I've answered your question intended to be unanswerable, and I've addressed the fallacy you intended to use to discredit the importance of this grave issue. You cannot lay a trap that I cannot turn against you. You simply aren't that smart, and you don't have the truth on your side.
10   Dan8267   2017 Sep 28, 9:00am  

Onvacation says
Dan8267 says
The science clearly explains exactly how man-made pollution is changing the climate, warming the Earth, making extremely severe hurricanes far more common, causing vast flooding, fucking with crop yields, and threatening trillions of dollars of real estate and hundreds of billions of dollars per year of economic productivity in coastal areas alone.

The sky is falling!


So you're saying that there are absolutely no threats to life or property in the world and anyone who says differently is being hyperbolic. That is fucking stupid. If your were right, there would be absolutely no purpose in having a military or police or fire fighters.

On one hand we have tens of thousands of lines of independent evidence confirming climate change gathered by thousands of independent scientists around the world as well as the very laws of physics. On the other hand, we have a dumb ass posting shit on the Internet. These two sides should be weighed accordingly.
11   Dan8267   2017 Sep 28, 9:01am  

me123 says

What warms the earth? What warms Pluto?

Is it two different sources?

Why is Pluto getting warmer at certain times?

Why is it warmer in Kansas in the Summer versus Winter?

Is the answer to all those questions CO2?


Once more Piggy demonstrates why inbred conservatives are dumb as shit. He's argument is that there can be only a single cause to anything. If a gunshot wound kills any person, than cancer cannot kill any person. After all death is caused by gunshot wounds, therefore absolutely nothing else can cause death.

This is why conservatives are fucking morons.
12   Dan8267   2017 Sep 28, 9:30am  

me123 says
So it's clear you can't answer those questions or won't answer them because it would destroy your narrative, so the only response is a personal ad-hom attack, right?


You clearly don't know what an ad-hom attack is, idiot. It's not simply insulting a fool. It's using the insult to discredit an opponent's argument instead of addressing the argument itself. I have addressed the argument itself. The insult is justified because your argument is both moronic and dishonest and obviously so.

Dan8267 says
After all death is caused by gunshot wounds, therefore absolutely nothing else can cause death.

This is why conservatives are fucking morons.


'Nuff said.
13   Onvacation   2017 Sep 28, 9:48am  

Dan8267 says
I've answered your question intended to be unanswerable

No you didn't.
The current "average earth temp" is 61 degrees. Should it be higher or lower?
If the science were settled you would have an answer. It isn't and you don't.
14   Onvacation   2017 Sep 28, 9:49am  

Dan8267 says
You cannot lay a trap that I cannot turn against you. You simply aren't that smart, and you don't have the truth on your side

LOL
15   Onvacation   2017 Sep 28, 9:50am  

Dan8267 says
On the other hand, we have a dumb ass posting shit on the Internet.

So why don't you stop?
16   Onvacation   2017 Sep 28, 9:53am  

Dan8267 says
making extremely severe hurricanes far more common, causing vast flooding

How much more common and how high has the sea risen?
How much has the temp gone up in the last century?
17   Dan8267   2017 Sep 28, 10:47am  

Onvacation says
No you didn't.
The current "average earth temp" is 61 degrees. Should it be higher or lower?


Fine then, bitch. The temperature I pick is 1.2 degrees Celsius cooler than the current global mean temperature. Every bit of increase is bad.

Go on and try to spring your trap. I'll turn it back on you.

If you fail to prove that higher temperatures are not going to raise sea levels, increase the frequency of severe storms, cause droughts, and cause flooding then you lose. That's the rule of this game you want to play. So go on and prove that.

Onvacation says
How much more common and how high has the sea risen?
How much has the temp gone up in the last century?


You've asked these same loaded questions in plenty of threads. I've cited the exact figures and the sources that prove those figures. Go fucking Google it yourself this time.

If you don't have the balls to outright state your flawed argument in a clear and direct manner, you automatically lose. I will not play your games.
18   Dan8267   2017 Sep 28, 10:48am  

Onvacation says
Dan8267 says
On the other hand, we have a dumb ass posting shit on the Internet.

So why don't you stop?

www.youtube.com/embed/lA5UqUyFmT0
19   Onvacation   2017 Sep 28, 10:58am  

Dan8267 says
Go on and try to spring your trap. I'll turn it back on you.

I am not trying to trap you. I am trying to introduce you to facts and logic.
Your alarmism is as hyperbolic as Mann's hockey stick.
20   Dan8267   2017 Sep 28, 11:33am  

Onvacation says
Your alarmism is as hyperbolic as Mann's hockey stick


There is nothing alarmist about my argument. You could just as easily say people are alarmists if they oppose ISIS getting nuclear weapons. After all, how bad could that be?

me123 says

You did? You answered all my questions? Did you use invisible text?

The only response I see is more ad-hom. Why do you do this?


Your perception of reality leaves much to be desired.

I will not entertain your bullshit anymore. I've already thoroughly exposed it. Take the last word if your are compelled to do so.
21   Onvacation   2017 Sep 28, 11:55am  

Dan8267 says
Take the last word if your are compelled to do so.

There is no last word in science. It evolves. Don't you believe in evolution?
Every year the warming does not happen makes the alarmists look bad. They won't talk about numbers because the numbers make them look bad. 2 degrees in a hundred years and 4 to 8 inches of sea rise in that same century.
They talk about the ice melting but only start measuring since 1979 when the ice was at a temporary peak.
The alarmists deny the medieval warming period.
The alarmists deny natural variation.
The alarmists want you to pay because you are a stupid polluter while they continue to enjoy their first world lifestyle.
22   Dan8267   2017 Sep 28, 1:10pm  

Onvacation says
Dan8267 says
Take the last word if your are compelled to do so.

There is no last word in science.


Piggy's statements are not science by any stretch.

Furthermore, the science is settled on climate change. To say otherwise is a bald face lie.
23   Dan8267   2017 Sep 28, 1:13pm  

Onvacation says
The alarmists deny the medieval warming period.


That lie was thoroughly debunked. Why are you still spreading it.

Onvacation says
The alarmists deny natural variation.


Another debunked lie.

Onvacation says
The alarmists want you to pay because you are a stupid polluter while they continue to enjoy their first world lifestyle.


You'll pay far more for the consequences of climate change than you would pay if we stopped subsidizing polluters like big coal.

Already the costs to the American taxpayers is far greater than the savings for cheaper electric bills. You aren't saving any money. Penny wise, pound foolish.
24   anonymous   2017 Sep 28, 3:33pm  

did liberals blame Koch brothers for Pluto warming yet?
25   Dan8267   2017 Sep 28, 6:12pm  

me123 says
They are fact and reality,


The only reality that involves you is the cause of goat AIDS.
26   MrMagic   2017 Sep 28, 6:13pm  

Quigley says
I think the sun might be responsible for warming our planet excessively!


No, we've been told by the experts here, it's the CO2 (The trace gas) that causes heat, not the sun. The science is settled.
27   anonymous   2017 Sep 28, 7:47pm  

OnVacation is my absolute favorite user on this board. Just perfection in dealing with the psycho alarmers.
28   anonymous   2017 Sep 28, 7:55pm  

Patrick is probably simultaneously laughing at you and crying for you right now. I mean, you were always sort of an inflammatory troll about housing and financial markets (you were at least mostly right about those topics) but this new embarrassing political phase of yours is perhaps some karma for all the users you've pissed off along the way.
29   Onvacation   2017 Sep 29, 7:05am  

Dan8267 says
Onvacation says
The alarmists deny the medieval warming period.


That lie was thoroughly debunked. Why are you still spreading it.

Onvacation says
The alarmists deny natural variation.


Another debunked lie.

Are you saying that there was no MWP and there is no natural variation of weather?
Your "arguments" are hard to follow.
30   Dan8267   2017 Sep 29, 8:08am  

Onvacation says
global warming climate change.


Global warming is one aspect of climate change. The later term was adopted because the dumb-as-shit conservative right could not comprehend that global mean temperature increases could mean more severe winters as well. The conservative right is as simple minded as the conservative left.

Onvacation says
Dan reminds me of this kid from my software testing class. I was on the team that was testing his team's software. He was ready to fight when we reported that his team's software had bugs.


Again, we have tens of thousands of lines of independent evidence verified by thousands of independent scientists around the world versus people who just repeat debunked lies on the Internet. That makes you the irrationalist.

Onvacation says
Are you saying that there was no MWP and there is no natural variation of weather?
Your "arguments" are hard to follow.


Are arguments are only hard to follow if you choose not to follow them. The medieval warming period was thoroughly debunked immediately after that lie started to spread. Referring to it as a reasonable argument exposes your willful ignorance and deception.
www.youtube.com/embed/CY4Yecsx_-s

Next you'll start bitching about this video taking too watch despite the fact that it's been handed to you on a silver platter and is as easy as examining evidence gets. Every piece of evidence sited by the above video is publicly available. Take the time to read that evidence or shut up about climate change. There is no excuse for spreading misinformation in a time when all of mankind's knowledge is freely and instantly available to you. You don't even have to drive to the library. Ignorance is a character flaw today. Ignorance is laziness.

Furthermore, the MWP is based on obviously intentional lies and deliberate misrepresentation of the data. The asshole behind the repeated MWP lie has been debunked as a fraudster. See the entire series on videos on that asshole.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOwiFx5xYt8&list=PLFzASMx508bJ9BUMU1-b94HqyRNxZ8pRq
If you have any integrity, you will now unequivocally state that the medieval warming period is complete bullshit and a deliberate lie intended to mislead the public about man-made global warming. I doubt you have any integrity, but hey, prove me wrong. This is your only opportunity to prove me wrong.

#intellectualHonesty
31   Onvacation   2017 Sep 29, 10:20am  

Dan8267 says
This is your only opportunity to prove me wrong.

There will be more.
How is the hockey stick working for you? Isn't Manhattan supposed to be under water by now?
32   Dan8267   2017 Sep 29, 12:07pm  

Onvacation says
How is the hockey stick working for you? Isn't Manhattan supposed to be under water by now?


No, bitch, you don't get to redirect the conversation to your next debunked myth until you man up and admit that your lied about the first one. The Medieval Warming Period has been thoroughly debunked for decades and yet you are still spreading that lie. Admit what you said is false. If you don't do that, nothing you say matters as I've exposed you as a fraudster.
33   Onvacation   2017 Sep 29, 12:13pm  

Dan8267 says
The Medieval Warming Period has been thoroughly debunked for decades

No it hasn't.
Next you will deny the little ice age.
34   Onvacation   2017 Sep 29, 12:17pm  

Dan8267 says
No, bitch,

Can't you have a civil debate?
35   Onvacation   2017 Sep 29, 12:29pm  

Dan8267 says
your next debunked myth

So about that hockey stick graph. Are you ready to admit it is fraudulent?
36   Dan8267   2017 Sep 29, 3:57pm  

Onvacation says
You can debate the facts or attack the debater. I guess you have no argument.


Here are the facts.
1. The MWP myth has been thoroughly debunked and this has been widely known for a long time.
2. You continued to spread that lie.
3. When show first hand that it is a lie with a plethora of supporting evidence, you double down on the lie rather than admit what you said is false.
4. You still haven't man'd up and admitted that the MWP argument is nothing but lies.
5. You still won't man up even after reading this post.

Given these facts, my opinion that you are a lying sack of shit is well justified.
37   Dan8267   2017 Sep 29, 4:43pm  

Another thing about your second image, it's clearly cherry picking the land locations with higher than average temperatures and grossly misrepresenting even the ratio of colder land to warmer land. It's clearly a lie, and not a very sophisticated one.
38   Onvacation   2017 Sep 29, 4:43pm  

For the people that are not familiar with the MWP controversy.
The alarmists want to minimize it to some hot air blew over Europe but it was VERY localized.
The evidence shows that the MWP was worldwide and warmer than today. The world thrived and greenland was settled for hundreds of years.
MWP is important because the alarmists want you to think that the current warming is a catastophic anomaly unprecedented in human history. It is not.
Further the alarmists want you to believe that man causes most if not all of the 1 degree rise in temp over the last century. They think man can control nature instead of just planning for and dealing with it.

Man can't control nature but we can harness it.



If you are ever at a global warming climate change rally don't drink the Kool-aid.
39   Onvacation   2017 Sep 29, 4:53pm  

Better link to MWP evidence
http://t1p.de/mwp Or
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1akI_yGSUlO_qEvrmrIYv9kHknq4&hl=en_US&ll=15.055762305355529%2C18.664149970040796&z=1 I generally don't talk with people that call me bitch. I know they wouldn't do it in real life. It's uncivil.
40   Dan8267   2017 Sep 29, 5:00pm  

Bitch is the right term for you. If you want respect, then don't engage in utterly disrespectful behavior like repeating debunked lies and providing false evidence. People who do that don't deserve respect, especially when the subject being perverted involves literal life and death matters as climate change does.

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