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What do you mean? Trump has not tried to censor anything.

rando says

What do you mean? Trump has not tried to censor anything.

NFL players?

Trump is strongly advocating for a monopoly to siilence non-violent free speech.

joeyjojojunior says

NFL players?

Trump is strongly advocating for a monopoly to siilence non-violent free speech.

Enough with this bs comparison. You can't go work for Monsanto and run a blog against Round-Up. They have all the free speech they want on the internet as all providers would host their protest opinion. This is about freedom of information, not about freedom to shit on your employer. Comparing this to website providers (who are not employers of their clients) censoring paying clients to prevent the dissemination of their opinion/information is asinine. Of course you could make the argument that those big providers have the right to refuse service to anyone, BUT then you have to be consequent and that reasoning then would also mean people running restaurants (or any other business) should be able to choose their clients by race, opinions, gender, sex. In any case I think Trump could/should/may have stayed out of this as it's not really that important and the NFL in itself is a racket. But he is not censoring anybody.

mell says

Enough with this bs comparison. You can't go work for Monsanto and run a blog against Round-Up

Sure.. But Patrick, McGee, et. al can't have it both ways either.

Either you want free speech that corporations can't stop or you don't. Trumpkins want free speech that agrees with them uncensored but free speech that counters their view is fine to censor.

Hypocrisy at its finest. A Trump hallmark.

me123 says

Do you really think people have total "free speech" when on the company timeclock. Can you go around at work spewing any type of political or personal beliefs, even if they go against the company wishes, and not get some sort of backlash?

Nope. I'm just pointing out the extreme hypocrisy in Patrick and McGee and almost all Trumpkins.

mell says

Comparing this to website providers (who are not employers of their clients) censoring paying clients to prevent the dissemination of their opinion/information is asinine. Of course you could make the argument that those big providers have the right to refuse service to anyone, BUT then you have to be consequent and that reasoning then would also mean people running restaurants (or any other business) should be able to choose their clients by race, opinions, gender, sex.

Someone's race, gender, and sex is dissemination of opinion/information? It's great how you learn something new every single day on patnet. Restaurants refuse service and ask people to leave all the time if the information they are disseminating is disruptive.

mell says

joeyjojojunior says

NFL players?

Trump is strongly advocating for a monopoly to siilence non-violent free speech.

Enough with this bs comparison. You can't go work for Monsanto and run a blog against Round-Up. They have all the free speech they want on the internet as all providers would host their protest opinion. This is about freedom of information, not about freedom to shit on your employer. Comparing this to website providers (who are not employers of their clients) censoring paying clients to prevent the dissemination of their opinion/information is asinine. Of course you could make the argument that those big providers have the right to refuse service to anyone, BUT then you have to be consequent and that reasoning then would also mean people running restaurants (or any other business) should be able to choose their clients by race, opinions, gender, sex. In any case I thin...

What exactly is the bs?

Are the players holding the NFL hostage?

It seems that the NFL is fine with what the NFL players are doing, but you Special Snowflakes don’t like it, and you’re demanding that the NFL change their rules to cater to you.

This is America, not North Korea. The NFL is a private business, not a public one. The players are employees. They are not disrespecting the flag, the Anthem, nor the country. They are quietly and respectfully taking a knee during the Anthem, in protest of cops murdering [black] citizens unnecessarily, and not being held accountable for it. I get that they’re black really rubs you guys the wrong way, but your gripe is with the NFL owners and the league.

Write Jerry Jones and tell him how bothered you are by these jigs “speaking out” against excessive and racially motivated police (government) violence against our fellow citizens, and you hate that he joined arms and kneeled with them before the Anthem.

What they’re doing is not Un-American or divisive. Your whinging about it IS actually divisive and very Un-American, not to mention you are now what you hate: a triggered special snowflake.

If you hate America, move to North Korea with this fucking claptrap

errc says

This is America, not North Korea. The NFL is a private business, not a public one. The players are employees. They are not disrespecting the flag, the Anthem, nor the country. They are quietly and respectfully taking a knee during the Anthem, in protest of cops murdering [black] citizens unnecessarily, and not being held accountable for it. I get that they’re black really rubs you guys the wrong way, but your gripe is with the NFL owners and the league.

Write Jerry Jones and tell him how bothered you are by these jigs “speaking out” against excessive and racially motivated police (government) violence against our fellow citizens, and you hate that he joined arms and kneeled with them before the Anthem.

I don't care whether the kneelers are black or white. Sure there are injustices that happen in law enforcement. But those are very few and I have seen no proof of any racial motivation. It also doesn't make sense as 99% of people are not racist enough (everybody is a little racist) to risk their career/family. You may as well argue that the flag represents the many sacrifices on the right side (many many more than the few injustices) soldiers and law enforcement, firefighters, EMTs etc. have done to enable a free world where the players can make these exorbitant salaries, regardless of race or identity. It's a matter of respect and if their employers or the fans vote with suspension to this behavior it's their right to do so. At many public and non-public elementary schools even in CA the kids and parents must pledge every morning to the flag (and even in CA the lingo contains God), and while you may not face harsh penalties if you don't, it is frowned upon and called out if you don't. I may or may not like the pledge, but a little respect/tradition can go a long way.

mell says

errc says

This is America, not North Korea. The NFL is a private business, not a public one. The players are employees. They are not disrespecting the flag, the Anthem, nor the country. They are quietly and respectfully taking a knee during the Anthem, in protest of cops murdering [black] citizens unnecessarily, and not being held accountable for it. I get that they’re black really rubs you guys the wrong way, but your gripe is with the NFL owners and the league.

Write Jerry Jones and tell him how bothered you are by these jigs “speaking out” against excessive and racially motivated police (government) violence against our fellow citizens, and you hate that he joined arms and kneeled with them before the Anthem.

I don't care whether the kneelers are black or white. Sure there are injustices that happen in law enforcement. But those are very few and I have seen no proof of any racial m...

It’s the fans right to do so?

What 3rd world hellhole are you from?

The Special Snowflake fans can whine and cry all they want, and if the NFL owners fear they will lose money, than they can abandon their beliefs and cower to the Snowflakes in the name of profits.

The entire discussion is so beyond dishonest, because people like you keep lying that there’s no such thing as racism. What fucking world do you live in? Your loudest mate here in this site, CiC, posted “Bye Bye Nigger boy!!!!!” Directed at Obama during Trumps inauguration and you dumbfucks gave him likes. Booger and xxyxxz are always posting racist crap against blacks. I don’t give a fuck, believe me, I’ve lived in places where whites are the minority and I’m kinda racist too, but why lie about it?

What you do on your own time should not be used against you at work. But when you are at work, you should just work like you are being paid to.

But none of that has anything to do with the censorship of minority views which corporations are imposing lately.

errc says

It’s the fans right to do so?

What 3rd world hellhole are you from?

The Special Snowflake fans can whine and cry all they want, and if the NFL owners fear they will lose money, than they can abandon their beliefs and cower to the Snowflakes in the name of profits.

The entire discussion is so beyond dishonest, because people like you keep lying that there’s no such thing as racism. What fucking world do you live in? Your loudest mate here in this site, CiC, posted “Bye Bye Nigger boy!!!!!” Directed at Obama during Trumps inauguration and you dumbfucks gave him likes. Booger and xxyxxz are always posting racist crap against blacks. I don’t give a fuck, believe me, I’ve lived in places where whites are the minority and I’m kinda racist too, but why lie about it?

Latent, problematic racism that extends beyond personal preferences is a very small and negligible percentage in the total population, and studies have shown that white people today are less racist than their Asian or African-American peers. So yes, I claim that there is no racism to protest in the US, if you disregard the few Klansmen or Panthers marching. So do the fans and their team owners and made their voices heard. You also know that most studies about differences in societal behavior or achievements between races/religions/cultures are not allowed to be discussed so you just postulate everybody is equal and should just mix with everybody else while even in a melting pot such as the US many cultures and races tend to stick to themselves and form their own little neighborhoods (and there are reasons for that). I have no problems with that, there is freedom of association. That extends even to people that "post racist crap" although I would argue that many of those memes are tongue-in-cheek triggers for others. So yeah we disagree about racism and its extent.

Patrick says

What you do on your own time should not be used against you at work. But when you are at work, you should just work like you are being paid to.

But none of that has anything to do with the censorship of minority views which corporations are imposing lately.

You should be going after Republicans and Citizens United then. Corporations are people. This is America, and we have Constitutional protection of Freedom of Speech.

Do you think you morons would be whinging if some white players were respectfully and non-violently taking a knee to protest the Federal Reserve? I know the answer but I doubt yous would be honest about it

Patrick says

What you do on your own time should not be used against you at work. But when you are at work, you should just work like you are being paid to.

But none of that has anything to do with the censorship of minority views which corporations are imposing lately.

So you're 100% behind Google for firing the engineer that wrote the internal memo then, right?

Patrick said: "my principle is that nonviolent ideas do not deserve censorship."

Ok - so what about NAMBLA and the Pedophile community? The "grooming" process is very nonviolent as 4-5 year old boys are selected for first exposure to an erect penis. Do you cover it in whipped cream for licking? Is there a name to call it or "special game" to play with the erection which works best for preschoolers?

What are good places to select victims (oops I mean "lovers")? At the kindergarten? The playground? Perhaps adopt a boy and have "play dates"? How do you get them to keep "our special secret" from "grown ups who just don't understand"?

And at what point do you first enter them? Do you cover their mouth in case they scream as you share your love? How do you best stop rectal bleeding from their tiny bodies? So many questions!!!

Wouldn't it be nice for them to have censor free websites to discuss their non violent ideas? Maybe a members only section to post pictures and share stories? And what of the poor poor children who will never know the joys of Man-boy love? Like daly stormer, Isn't this nonviolent group also worthy of broad online publication?

Purity of free speech movement may be a reaction formation against strict parenting that did not allow self expression of autonomy. Recommended treatment is to piss on their graves, drink jack daniels, then piss again.

Still curious to see Patrick's non-violence policy puts the North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) into his special class of ideas which must be widely publicized and easily accessible.

The stigma they suffer makes them sound perfect: NAMBLA states that it is a political, civil rights, and education association whose goal is to "end the extreme oppression of men and boys in mutually consensual relationships".

This extreme oppression limits their communication of ideas to:
a quarterly publication,
"Gayme" magazine
"Ariel's pages, a literature project through which stories of man-boy love were sold" and
A prisoners newsletter for convicted pedophiles.

This sounds like awfully inefficient spreading of ideas especially considering that a groomed boy is only considered attractive for a few years. Wouldn't it be better if they could freely discuss molestation techniques as fast as we discuss topics at Patnet?

My understanding is that the pedos believe that the children's right to man-boy love is severely oppressed and that if they could just "get their message out" we would all see the merits of their ideas and give our sons to them for sleepovers, special massages, and anal intercourse.

So how about it Patrick? They are oppressed, and they are nonviolent? Therefore shouldn't you be combatting their censorship just like you are daily stormer?

anonymous says

Ok - so what about NAMBLA and the Pedophile community? The "grooming" process is very nonviolent as 4-5 year old boys are selected for first exposure to an erect penis. Do you cover it in whipped cream for licking? Is there a name to call it or "special game" to play with the erection which works best for preschoolers?

Isn't the republican party and the NAMBLA the same organization?

anonymous says

So how about it Patrick? They are oppressed, and they are nonviolent? Therefore shouldn't you be combatting their censorship just like you are daily stormer?

What about necrophiliacs? Why are they suppressed also? Let's start a patnet for necrophiliacs movement.

joeyjojojunior says

Patrick says

What you do on your own time should not be used against you at work. But when you are at work, you should just work like you are being paid to.

But none of that has anything to do with the censorship of minority views which corporations are imposing lately.

So you're 100% behind Google for firing the engineer that wrote the internal memo then, right?

He was writing about his own working conditions, not some irrelevant agenda from outside. Nor was he showing any disrespect to the country or abusing his employer's resources.

Patrick says

He was writing about his own working conditions, not some irrelevant agenda from outside. Nor was he showing any disrespect to the country or abusing his employer's resources

OK, so now the criteria is you can't show disrespect to the country? Really? Isn't that one of the basic tenets of free speech? I know we're going down the path towards totalitarianism, but I didn't realize we were there. And that you were happily marching down the path.

As to abusing company resources, he clearly was. Google employees are one of their biggest resources and that memo clearly harmed a decent percentage of them.

Patrick--either you think businesses can fire employees for conduct that they deem harms their image or they can't. You're trying to have it both ways based on your own value system which doesn't work. All you do is become a special snowflake.

"Patrick either you think businesses can fire employees for conduct that they deem harms their image or they can't. You're trying to have it both ways based on your own value system which doesn't work. All you do is become a special snowflake."

I personally have no problem with his hypocrisy so long as he is self-aware. When people like him come in with these BS high minded "principles" based in a world of black and white that's the only time he deserves to be called out on it.

anonymous says

"Patrick either you think businesses can fire employees for conduct that they deem harms their image or they can't. You're trying to have it both ways

Not at all. I'm saying that corporations should not have the ability to fire or discriminate based on political activity while not at work. There is already a California law to that effect, but not enforced.

Google may have the the right to fire Damore, but you're ignoring the fact that his memo was about his own working conditions, not an attempt to abuse his position to publicly promote a certain unrelated agenda. That's quite a bit different from NFL players essentially stealing highly valuable media time to promote an agenda that has nothing to do with their own working conditions. Is Kaepernick forced to sit in the back of the bus?

rando says

but you're ignoring the fact that his memo was about his own working conditions, not an attempt to abuse his position to publicly promote a certain unrelated agenda.

I think you need to read the memo again. Implying it is about working conditions is misleading at best. It is absolutely an attempt to promote an agenda.

rando says

Is Kaepernick forced to sit in the back of the bus?

So as long as he can sit in the front of the bus, he should just shut up and do his job?

At work, yes, unless he has some compliant about his job.

Patrick says

At work, yes, unless he has some compliant about his job.

Was the Google guy complaining about his job?

He was really complaining about corporate culture and how the execs manage the business. That has always been and always will be a very touchy subject that can get you fired.

joeyjojojunior says

Patrick says

What you do on your own time should not be used against you at work. But when you are at work, you should just work like you are being paid to.

But none of that has anything to do with the censorship of minority views which corporations are imposing lately.

So you're 100% behind Google for firing the engineer that wrote the internal memo then, right?

Although those two situations are quite different as explained by Patrick I would be ok with it if the protection would apply to both. It would be huge if we would have a law to protect against political correctness and SJWs at the workplace (or ideally no HR/discrimination laws in the first place). If it also protects Kaepernicks kneeling so be it!

mell says

Although those two situations are quite different as explained by Patrick I would be ok with it if the protection would apply to both. It would be huge if we would have a law to protect against political correctness and SJWs at the workplace (or ideally no HR/discrimination laws in the first place).

Every situation is different. But it's clear by how much twisting Patrick has had to do that he doesn't really have a valid reason for his views. He doesn't like Kaepernick or has been brainwashed by the Trump cult.

That's quite a bit different from NFL players essentially stealing highly valuable media time to promote an agenda that has nothing to do with their own working conditions

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This doesn’t make any sense

At work, yes, unless he has some compliant about his job.

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If his employer doesn’t care, then why should you?

Is this how you MAGA?

Patrick says

At work, yes, unless he has some compliant about his job.

Let me see if I understand this. So if he punches out at 5:00 then on his own time he can criticize his employer (the memo was called the Ideological echo chamber) send it to everyone within the company (knowing full well it will go viral) and then come back to work with no repercussions? Really?

If your answer is "Yes that's correct", my follow up is, can he do or say anything about his employer on his own time without consequence? Can he say "my boss, John Smith is a Fuckwad", send it to the rest of the company, then next day at work nothing happens?

Patrick says

What you do on your own time should not be used against you at work. But when you are at work, you should just work like you are being paid to.

But none of that has anything to do with the censorship of minority views which corporations are imposing lately.

I feel this way about school teachers also. If they are keeping any 'odd' behavior, like attendance at gay spahouses or whatever, low key, sure.

Now if they appear in video ads on Youtube and on a Billboard for the Gay Spa house, that might be something else. Or wear a thong bikini and serve hot dogs at the beach in the same county in the summer, that might not be good. But if they fly to Florida and do it as a Summer Job, fine.

I'm appalled somebody can be fired for being a swinger or something. You teach Earth Science but can't go to the Trapeze? Not cool.

No.
NAMBLA is Dan's HOA tax id name.

bob2356 says

Isn't the republican party and the NAMBLA the same organization?