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errc saysI had to google Captain Beefheart,
He never really charted anything either. His music was unhinged as what TwoScoopsMcGee says.
even though one of them is an avid critic of the Drug War who doesn't realize the same arguments - based on practical experience - would also apply to Guns.
On this very board, those most critical of the police are also the ones most in favor of Gun Control, even though one of them is an avid critic of the Drug War who doesn't realize the same arguments - based on practical experience - would also apply to Guns. Pointing out those who put forward the PoPo as the alternative to firearms possession as the primary means of defense are the same people who are the most critical of the Police is a valid contradiction to point out. It's no different than pointing out that Feminists are the least attracted to the kind of sweetie-poo, deferential men they otherwise promote as the new preferred Man
How many people would Paddock have killed from the Mandalay Bay with a knife?
Are you suggesting More Guns = More Crime?
errc saysAre you suggesting More Guns = More Crime?
What are YOU suggesting? You've been asked that question multiple times and ran away.
When the 2nd was signed into law, what type of weapons did law enforcement have and what type of weapons did the citizens have?
Do you think the balance of what law enforcement has now is equal to the citizens?
This despite mass immigration, much of it from countries in Central America with far higher homicide rates.
Also, for most of the past 25 years, US firearms ownership has dramatically increased while firearms homicides have decreased.
KimJongUn says57 messages and still no "wish list". Sigh.
Then that is what they are hoping to get out of this, nothing really. That is an answer.
Actually I gave suggestions and one other commenter gave an answer
but these aren't the flawed arguments you were hoping for.
Thread wasn't much fun for you was it?
From 1993 to 1998 firearms ownership went up 10% and firearms homicides dropped by 50%. Since 1998 firearms ownership has gone up over 50% yet firearms homicides have decreased 5%. Do you have some kind of point because there certainly isn't any correlation to
bob2356 saysFrom 1993 to 1998 firearms ownership went up 10% and firearms homicides dropped by 50%. Since 1998 firearms ownership has gone up over 50% yet firearms homicides have decreased 5%. Do you have some kind of point because there certainly isn't any correlation to
Sure, I can explain it very neatly. Roe v. Wade in the 70s resulted in mass infanticide of black unborn babies over the concurrent years. The last black generation unaffected by this holocaust matured to young adulthood in the early 90s. After then, a large number of "missing" black youth weren't around to commit a disproportionate number of gun homicides.
bob2356 saysSince 1998 firearms ownership has gone up over 50% yet firearms homicides have decreased 5%.
Do you know the difference between up and down(decreased)?
As an Independent, I’d like to see the #FakeNews media stop with the propaganda. All they ever show is a seemingly endless stream of stories about gun violence. Why don’t they show equal airtime of all the stories where Great Americans defended themselves with their guns?
>errc saysAs an Independent, I’d like to see the #FakeNews media stop with the propaganda. All they ever show is a seemingly endless stream of stories about gun violence. Why don’t they show equal airtime of all the stories where Great Americans defended themselves with their guns?
Agreed. When is CNN going to start showing the feel good stories about real Americans shooting bad cops? If that nurse in Utah had only had a gun, the cop wouldn't have dared falsely arrest her.
We never get to hear all the countless stories of them defending themselves with their guns.
From 1993 to 1998 firearms ownership went up 10% and firearms homicides dropped by 50%. Since 1998 firearms ownership has gone up over 50% yet firearms homicides have decreased 5%. Do you have some kind of point because there certainly isn't any correlation to be seen here.
You seem to be having issues with percentages. Also, why did you not post this other chart from that page?
bob2356 saysFrom 1993 to 1998 firearms ownership went up 10% and firearms homicides dropped by 50%. Since 1998 firearms ownership has gone up over 50% yet firearms homicides have decreased 5%. Do you have some kind of point because there certainly isn't any correlation to be seen here.
You seem to be having issues with percentages. Also, why did you not post this other chart from that page?
http://www.aei.org/publication/chart-of-the-day-more-guns-less-gun-violence-between-1993-and-2013/
It shows homicide rates went down -49%, not the -5% like you stated.
The bottom line, bobby, is that your whole narrative of "more guns = more homicides" is just crap. Your own charts prove it. Unfortunately, you want to play semantics with percentages, but sadly, it doesn't change the big false narrative.
What I'm in favor of is keeping guns out of the hands of criminals.
The people pipe lining guns to criminals should be in jail.
From 1993 to 1998 firearms ownership went up 10% and firearms homicides dropped by 50%. Since 1998 firearms ownership has gone up over 50% yet firearms homicides have decreased 5%. Do you have some kind of point because there certainly isn't any correlation to be seen here.
The bottom line, bobby, is that your whole narrative of "more guns = more homicides" is just crap. Your own charts prove it. Unfortunately, you want to play semantics with percentages, but sadly, it doesn't change the big false narrative.
Per capita, the civilian gun stock has roughly doubled since 1968, from one gun per every two persons to one gun per person.:
TwoScoopsMcGee saysSo: ~ 25-30% Larger Population, more Guns per capita, yet the Homicide Rate - AND the Firearm Homicide Rate - got cut just about in half.
Ya know, you're really going to make bobby and dan cry (or go all out on personal attack and call you a liar).
The population size is irrelevant to the per capita rate dumbasses.
Well look at that. The murder rate tripled while the number of guns was going up up up 1960 to 1993. But but but how can that be? The murder rate only goes down when the number of guns goes up. I will be waiting for an explanation from our 2 resident math geniuses on this. Not that anyone will ever see it.
Why was the magic year 1993 chosen by the wingnut/gun nut crowd I wonder? Let's look at a little bigger time frame say 1960 on.
bob2356 saysThe population size is irrelevant to the per capita rate dumbasses.
hahahahahah.
Not only did the population increase, the guns per capita in private hands increased as well.
The Gun Ownership by household contradicts manufacturer reported arms sales. However, there are more divorced female households today than before, that generally don't have firearms like married people that used to be far more common.
Gun Ownership began exploding in the 80s in reaction the Baby-Boomer crime wave. Since the early 90s, the homicide rate has been tanking while the number of civilian firearms sold continues to grow.
Starting in the 90s, concealed firearms laws expanded, by the end of the 90s, the Assault Weapons Ban expired and was not renewed. In the late 2000s gun sales hit all-time records, there was even a .22LR shortage not long ago.
There's absolutely no doubt that the US has the most civilian firearms in the World, and that guns per capita has expanded over the past 40 years, and much of it over the past 25 years as gun laws become more permissive and SCOTUS trims excessive anti-2A laws, like in DC. And yet, our homicide is half of what it was 25 years ago.
We're #1 in the world by far for firearms ownership but nowhere near #1 in homicide.
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And what would you be willing to trade for it?
I have a proposal, but I'll hold on to it for now.
UPDATE: Please refrain from virtue signalling in this thread - we have plenty of that in other threads related to LV shooting already.