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1   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 4, 9:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

What more proof do we need that selfish and greedy unions cause higher prices.
2   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 4, 9:49am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
What more proof do we need that selfish and greedy unions cause higher prices.


I thought greed and selfishness are good? Or is it only good when corporations are greedy and selfish?
3   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 4, 9:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joeyjojojunior says
Strategist says
What more proof do we need that selfish and greedy unions cause higher prices.


I thought greed and selfishness are good? Or is it only good when corporations are greedy and selfish?


Greed is good, only for those who can increase the pie. Unions don't increase the pie, they just take a big bite out of it.
4   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 4, 10:02am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Greed is good, only for those who can increase the pie. Unions don't increase the pie, they just take a big bite out of it.


So, who increases the pie exactly?
5   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 4, 10:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joeyjojojunior says
Strategist says
Greed is good, only for those who can increase the pie. Unions don't increase the pie, they just take a big bite out of it.


So, who increases the pie exactly?


Businesses, entrepreneurs, and venture capitalists increase the pie. The useless unions only prevent free trade and efficient markets. Unions don't deserve to get more than others for the same work. They are financial terrorists and nothing else.
6   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 4, 10:15am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Businesses, entrepreneurs, and venture capitalists increase the pie. The useless unions only prevent free trade and efficient markets. Unions don't deserve to get more than others for the same work. They are financial terrorists and nothing else.


Bullshit.

Venture capitalists do nothing but transfer money from one pocket to another. That does not increase the pie.
Businesses typically don't increase the pie either. They may compete so one businesses share of the pie goes up, but another's share goes down to offset it.
Entrepreneurs typically do the same. They start a new business and steal customers from somebody else.

The pie grows exactly at the rate of increased efficiency. Which is almost always small. Unions, when run correctly, are a great thing actually. Labor needs bargaining power against ownership more now than ever. The best thing that could happen to this country is if more $$ go back to labor and less $$ getting fed to owners.

Creating something should be rewarded more highly than paying someone to create something. Creativity and Ingenuity should be valued. Being born into a rich family should not.
7   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 4, 10:28am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joeyjojojunior says
Creating something should be rewarded more highly than paying someone to create something. Creativity and Ingenuity should be valued.


Ant it's entrepreneurs, businesses and venture capitalists that value it, because it increases the pie and the profits.
May I remind you that the world's most valued companies only exist because venture capitalists funded them. The creativity and ingenuity of Steve Jobs in combination with capitalism gave us the space age products we have today. And we want more of it.
8   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 4, 10:32am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
Ant it's entrepreneurs, businesses and venture capitalists that value it, because it increases the pie and the profits.


Sure--they value it.. They just don't reward the creators any more than is absolutely necessary to avoid them going to a competitor. And in some cases, they let him go anyway as they already have the invention.


Strategist says
May I remind you that the world's most valued companies only exist because venture capitalists funded them


That's not really true, but who cares? The venture capitalist should be paid some fees for the use of his money but the inventor should be the one getting the fruits of his invention.

Strategist says
The creativity and ingenuity of Steve Jobs in combination with capitalism gave us the space age products we have today. And we want more of it.


But, amazingly, Jobs didn't increase the pie at all. (or very little)
9   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 4, 10:45am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joeyjojojunior says
Strategist says
Ant it's entrepreneurs, businesses and venture capitalists that value it, because it increases the pie and the profits.


Sure--they value it.. They just don't reward the creators any more than is absolutely necessary to avoid them going to a competitor. And in some cases, they let him go anyway as they already have the invention.

That is called market price. If no one is willing to pay you more, you are obviously not worth more.

joeyjojojunior says
But, amazingly, Jobs didn't increase the pie at all. (or very little)

LOL. The size of the Apple pie is it's sales and the $800 billion value investors give it. It's bigger than the whole GDP of most countries.
10   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 4, 10:53am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
LOL. The size of the Apple pie is it's sales and the $800 billion value investors give it. It's bigger than the whole GDP of most countries.


And the sales and market cap. of competing companies went down similarly. No net increase in pie.

Strategist says
That is called market price. If no one is willing to pay you more, you are obviously not worth more.


And that's the problem with capitalism. It rewards $$ over labor. Capitalism is the worst system except for all the others.
11   jazz_music   ignore (11)   2017 Oct 4, 11:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Pie! Pie! Pie! You are talking about the GNP or the GDP.

Abundantly clear especially nowadays that makers, working families need more leverage or they will continue to compete over the expanding "pie" while their slice continues going down to nothing!

UNION = LEVERAGE against capitalists who can and have been buying any changes they desire if they are not REGULATED by opposition. This is a fight to the death between 8 individuals and 3.6 billion of us. OOPS, we weren't supposed to notice that. It wasn't on the fuckin' news and that's for sure!!!

https://www.oxfam.org/en/pressroom/pressreleases/2017-01-16/just-8-men-own-same-wealth-half-world
WAKE THE FUCK UP NOW OKAY??? It's time to save yourselves!

TRUMP IS NOT GOING TO SAVE YOU, SO KNOCK THAT HORSE SHIT OUT OF YOUR HEADS RIGHT NOW

Capitalism dictates survival of the strongest and the people have been severely weakened by trusting the news and the government while we all get dismissed to hell in a hand basket. THAT SHIT HAS TO STOP NOW. START ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, the ones that you'll never hear on the news. The ones that people scream while they carry signs and protest. Thank God for those protesters, they are doing your dirty work for you and they will catch all kinds of hell too while you sit and watch the news and wonder "what's wrong with those people?"

We all have to start insisting on MORE MORE MORE and it is going to require an ORGANIZED EFFORT you can call it whatever you want, but capitalists need us to make things, be their policemen, be their soldiers, and they need us to blow money too, but they DON'T NEED US TO HAVE ANY comfort or live very long as long as we continue to breed.
12   jazz_music   ignore (11)   2017 Oct 4, 11:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Oh gee now if we could start VOTING FOR OUR OWN INTERESTS instead of praying for capitalism's sweet love to come trickling down on our families.

That would be great wouldn't it.

First, you got to disabuse everybody that making owners more wealthy is a good thing, and well, what do you know? ... the political party that controls the entire government now and the supreme court claims that making owners more wealthy is a good thing.

INSIST AND YE SHALL RECEIVE!

THE FUCKING PIE IS GROWING BUT YOU AREN'T GETTING ANYTHING BUT BULLSHIT WARS POLICE AND DEBTS TO HOLD YOU DOWN.
13   jazz_music   ignore (11)   2017 Oct 4, 11:13am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hold you down from what?

Hold you down from INSISTING ON MORE!

STOP BEING SUCH A GOD DAMNED PUSHOVER
14   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 4, 11:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

joeyjojojunior says
Strategist says
LOL. The size of the Apple pie is it's sales and the $800 billion value investors give it. It's bigger than the whole GDP of most countries.


And the sales and market cap. of competing companies went down similarly. No net increase in pie.

WTF. These tech companies did not exist in the past. They could not have displaced the market caps of competitors.

joeyjojojunior says
And that's the problem with capitalism. It rewards $$ over labor.

WTF. Tech workers are among the highest paid. You disappoint me, Joey.
15   jazz_music   ignore (11)   2017 Oct 4, 11:17am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BTW there is a third mode besides modular housing and homelessness, you might consider it a hybridization of the two of them, and that is RV life.

Vast camps of people now migrate seasonally to gainful employment, especially older people to get jobs greeting at Walmart and shit like that. RV friendly big box stores and major events like NASCAR race tracks seasonally employ transient RV tribes and even provide them all a place to park their RVs too.

It would suck if you were doing that and either got arrested or robbed and beaten, wouldn't it? --All your shit is right there for the taking! yeesh!
16   jazz_music   ignore (11)   2017 Oct 4, 11:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Lawyers are financial terrorists too.

You think capitalists are going to EVER stop using lawyers for even a nanosecond?
17   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 4, 11:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Capitalism dictates survival of the strongest and the people have been severely weakened by trusting the news and the government while we all get dismissed to hell in a hand basket.

he he he. So sad.

jazz_music says
THAT SHIT HAS TO STOP NOW. START ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, the ones that you'll never hear on the news. The ones that people scream while they carry signs and protest. Thank God for those protesters, they are doing your dirty work for you and they will catch all kinds of hell too while you sit and watch the news and wonder "what's wrong with those people?"

You mean those losers who don't even know what they're protesting?

jazz_music says
We all have to start insisting on MORE MORE MORE and it is going to require an ORGANIZED EFFORT

Minimum wages are already paying more more more. If you still want more of more more more, become a software engineer. Who is stopping you?
18   jazz_music   ignore (11)   2017 Oct 4, 11:26am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

NOW open your eyes, as much misery as possible is what trickles down. --EVERY FUCKING TIME, just look at the rest of the world and those mud people are no different than you white boys, they just got financially conquered is all and haven't figured a way out of the misery yet.

Okay, so now you know. You tried being a good little nerd, or good little soldier, and you saw how that works out.

There's no more use waiting for something good to trickle your way.

You don't have to advertise this to the boss either, just be smart.

Think things through.
19   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 4, 11:30am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
NOW open your eyes, as much misery as possible is what trickles down. --EVERY FUCKING TIME, just look at the rest of the world and those mud people are no different than you white boys, they just got financially conquered is all and haven't figured a way out of the misery yet.

Okay, so now you know. You tried being a good little nerd, or good little soldier, and you saw how that works out.

There's no more use waiting for something good to trickle your way.

You don't have to advertise this to the boss either, just be smart.

Think things through.


he he he he he he he.
I nominate you the stand up comedian of Patnet. Your rants are hilarious. I just love them.
20   jazz_music   ignore (11)   2017 Oct 4, 11:30am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

When the world discovered DIAMONDS and GOLD mines and made the pie enormous.

What trickled down then? Mud huts, loin cloths, disease, police, incarceration, beatings, death. --while the biggest fortunes in Europe got made!!!!

It's no different now!!!

That is the only fucking thing you have to realize!! --just because you studied and got an amazing STEM skillset and your keepers stroke the fuck out of you with birthday parties at work DOES NOT MAKE YOU ANY DIFFERENT.

IT'S A FUCKING SET UP --and boom, you're out the door, take your family on the road. Oh you are a professional. Hahahahahahahahahahaha
21   jazz_music   ignore (11)   2017 Oct 4, 11:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist be afraid.

Be very afraid. The cat is out of the bag. The cat is the false dichotomy. The whole blessed be job creators narrative thing is blown to shit now.

Tip your waiters and bartenders better or go home, cook and pour your own martinis you fuck!
22   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 4, 11:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
What trickled down then? Mud huts, loin cloths, disease, police, incarceration, beatings, death. --while the biggest fortunes in Europe got made!!!!

It's no different now!!!

That is the only fucking thing you have to realize!! --just because you studied and got an amazing STEM skillset and your keepers stroke the fuck out of you with birthday parties at work DOES NOT MAKE YOU ANY DIFFERENT.


If you can't see the difference, you don't deserve anything different. Enjoy the mud hut. And please try not to pee on the side of the mud wall, because it might melt.
23   Strategist   ignore (2)   2017 Oct 4, 11:48am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

jazz_music says
Strategist be afraid.

Be very afraid. The cat is out of the bag. The cat is the false dichotomy. The whole blessed be job creators narrative thing is blown to shit now.

Tip your waiters and bartenders better or go home, cook and pour your own martinis you fuck!


Was it something I said?
24   jazz_music   ignore (11)   2017 Oct 4, 12:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Doctors and lawyers in effect have unions, and they have guarantees built into NAFTA to protect their work.

How about STEM workers? --hahahahahaha

Let's see just about anybody who still can look forward to a retirement pension has a union, i.e. police, teachers, electrical workers.

What are unions when you get down to it but lawyers that workers can afford to use to assert their interests, leverage collective bargaining against capitalists and lobby for favorable legal treatment as the government proceeds to give everything to the richest crooks?

Don't like that? You are either a pig or dickless.
25   joeyjojojunior   ignore (1)   2017 Oct 4, 1:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Strategist says
WTF. These tech companies did not exist in the past. They could not have displaced the market caps of competitors.


You have a very poor understanding of what constitutes a competitor. Cell phones didn't exist but they have absolutely taken away market share from landlines. Not to mention all the things we used to buy but can now do on our phones. Calculators, compass, flashlight, camera, etc.

The money used to buy a phone didn't appear magically out of thin air. It is money that used to be spent on something else.


Strategist says
WTF. Tech workers are among the highest paid. You disappoint me, Joey.


Sorry to disappoint, but you are looking a very narrow segment of the population. Just look at corporate profits over the last 30 years and you'll see how labor is no longer being rewarded because all the fruits are going to the owners. It's killing this country.
26   jazz_music   ignore (11)   2017 Oct 4, 1:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Just look at all this bullshit about being "disappointed" LOL OMG BULLSHIT!!!!

This is what it is to be dismissed. --INSIST


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