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Bitcoin and Crypto-currency


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2017 Nov 5, 3:36pm   105,907 views  521 comments

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Hi guys,

I'd like to start a conversation on crypto-currency, particularly Bitcoin.

What do you all think about it from an investment point of view today? I have some buddies in the finance world who are quite bullish on it and claim we are just scratching the surface. Judging by the recent performance, they may be right.

For people who are investing in Bitcoin, what are you using to invest and what recommendations do you have for a new investor?

Also, how are gains taxed compared to typical stock market gains?

I read this week that over 100,000 merchants in the USA are accepting Bitcoin today.

At the same time, digital currency does scare me a bit as it seems so abstract. Curious what PatNet thinks.

Thanks guys!

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448   Bitcoin   2021 Sep 6, 9:36pm  

richwicks says
Bitcoin says
What happened to all the Bitcoin haters????

Quiet because Bitcoin is over 50k?

Aaaaah i know! The haters "dont care" when Bitcoin is UP.....they only care when Bitcoin is DOWN! Lol


They don't care either way.


Maybe you are new to the blog Richwicks....
whenever Bitcoin corrects the haters put their cheerleader gear on. They only care and hate on Bitcoin investors when Bitcoin offers a buying opportunity (correction). When bitcoin is up....they are suuuuuper quiet. Because then, they "dont care" all of a sudden
ROFL
450   richwicks   2023 Feb 22, 11:32am  

Bitcoin says

Maybe you are new to the blog Richwicks....
whenever Bitcoin corrects the haters put their cheerleader gear on. They only care and hate on Bitcoin investors when Bitcoin offers a buying opportunity (correction). When bitcoin is up....they are suuuuuper quiet. Because then, they "dont care" all of a sudden


@Bitcoin, I seriously think you're dead at this point. You first made fun of people who had suspicions of the vaccine, you had adverse reactions to the vaccine, you took advice from Rin, you STILL took another dose, and I've not seen you since.

Are you still alive?
451   zzyzzx   2023 Mar 23, 6:23am  

https://www.thestreet.com/investing/cryptocurrency/coinbase-announces-very-bad-news

The cryptocurrency exchange has just announced that it has received a notice from the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). This means that the regulator may bring an enforcement action against the largest U.S. crypto exchange.
452   Eric Holder   2023 Mar 23, 11:33am  

zzyzzx says

https://www.thestreet.com/investing/cryptocurrency/coinbase-announces-very-bad-news

The cryptocurrency exchange has just announced that it has received a notice from the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). This means that the regulator may bring an enforcement action against the largest U.S. crypto exchange.


KEEP YOUR DIRTY GRABBY FED PAWS OFF OUR SECOND GOLD!!!!
453   stereotomy   2023 Mar 23, 12:01pm  

Can someone donate a functioning keyboard to @Eric holder? He needs functioning cap keys. Just asking for a friend . . .
454   Eric Holder   2023 Mar 23, 12:54pm  

stereotomy says

Can someone donate a functioning keyboard to Eric holder? He needs functioning cap keys. Just asking for a friend . . .


I take donations only in physical PMs, thankyouverymuch.
455   stereotomy   2023 Mar 23, 1:32pm  

Eric Holder says

stereotomy says


Can someone donate a functioning keyboard to Eric holder? He needs functioning cap keys. Just asking for a friend . . .


I take donations only in physical PMs, thankyouverymuch.

Looks like he restored his keyboard functionality. Request rescinded.
456   Patrick   2023 Mar 23, 1:37pm  

No, seems like his space bar stopped working now.

Lol.
457   Eric Holder   2023 Mar 23, 2:37pm  

stereotomy says

Can someone donate a functioning keyboard to Eric holder? He needs functioning cap keys. Just asking for a friend . . .

Look who's talking-------------------------------------------^
458   EBGuy   2023 Mar 23, 11:54pm  

Pretty amazing how well crypto has performed during this crisis.


459   Misc   2023 Mar 24, 6:09am  

So the SEC gave a warning that there is a significant risk of loss on Crypto.

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3950596-sec-warns-of-significant-risk-of-loss-for-crypto-investors

I think it would be funnier than shit if Coinbase gave a warning that there is a significant risk of loss by investing in Bank stocks.
460   AD   2023 Mar 25, 9:43am  



461   AmericanKulak   2023 Mar 27, 9:31am  

Bitcoin says


whenever Bitcoin corrects the haters put their cheerleader gear on. They only care and hate on Bitcoin investors when Bitcoin offers a buying opportunity (correction). When bitcoin is up....they are suuuuuper quiet. Because then, they "dont care" all of a sudden
ROFL


You haven't heard from us Buttcoin fluffers because we're so busy spending our 30% losses YoY!

SUPERIOR! STORE! OF! VALUE!
462   1337irr   2023 Apr 7, 9:34am  

Misc says

So the SEC gave a warning that there is a significant risk of loss on Crypto.

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3950596-sec-warns-of-significant-risk-of-loss-for-crypto-investors

I think it would be funnier than shit if Coinbase gave a warning that there is a significant risk of loss by investing in Bank stocks.

How come it would be funny?
463   RWSGFY   2023 Apr 7, 9:39am  

Misc says

So the SEC gave a warning that there is a significant risk of loss on Crypto.

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3950596-sec-warns-of-significant-risk-of-loss-for-crypto-investors

I think it would be funnier than shit if Coinbase gave a warning that there is a significant risk of loss by investing in Bank stocks.


Stocks are stocks. Currency is currency. When your currency becomes as risky as stocks there's something wrong with it.
464   1337irr   2023 Apr 7, 9:46am  

Yeah, I don’t know if the dollar is a good bet these days given the deficit spending. Not sure at all on bitcoin, it seems risky.
466   AD   2024 Feb 6, 7:08pm  

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1) https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/microstrategy-buys-850-more-bitcoin-for-37-million

2) MicroStrategy owns 189,150 bitcoins as of December 27, 2023. The MicroStrategy announcement states the average purchase price as $31,168.00 USD per bitcoin with a total cost of $5.90 billion USD.
source: https://buybitcoinworldwide.com/microstrategy-statistics/#:~:text=MicroStrategy%20owns%20189%2C150%20bitcoins%20as,cost%20of%20%245.90%20billion%20USD.

3) Is it a software services company or a bitcoin investor ? or both ?

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467   WookieMan   2024 Feb 6, 9:45pm  

AD says

The MicroStrategy announcement states the average purchase price as $31,168.00 USD per bitcoin with a total cost of $5.90 billion USD.

In US dollar... It's not a currency. Fine you can trade it and make money. Not different than Walmart that actually provides a service. Tread lightly with anything Bitcoin. I don't have a time horizon on it, but it will go to $100 or less at some point.
468   AD   2024 Feb 6, 10:03pm  

WookieMan says

I don't have a time horizon on it, but it will go to $100 or less at some point.


Why will bitcoin go to $100 or less ? People lose faith in it and why would they lose faith in it ?

Since the SEC has approved ETFs for Bitcoin I don't see much of the government trying to depress its value.

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469   WookieMan   2024 Feb 6, 10:10pm  

AD says

Why will bitcoin go to $100 or less ? People lose faith in it and why would they lose faith in it ?

Since the SEC has approved ETFs for Bitcoin I don't see much of the government trying to depress its value.

Not about government. It's the $$$$. The value is capped and people will lose interest in holding it because the dollar to bitcoin price will go to shit. No time frame, but it's coming.
470   AD   2024 Feb 6, 11:16pm  

WookieMan says


AD says

Why will bitcoin go to $100 or less ? People lose faith in it and why would they lose faith in it ?

Since the SEC has approved ETFs for Bitcoin I don't see much of the government trying to depress its value.

Not about government. It's the $$$$. The value is capped and people will lose interest in holding it because the dollar to bitcoin price will go to shit. No time frame, but it's coming.


yep, Bitcoin "halving" ..

As of Dec. 18, 2023, 19.57 million bitcoins have been mined, leaving about 1.45 million bitcoins to release. The total bitcoin supply is capped at 21 million around the year 2140.

So there won't be an more mining of bitcoin when there are 21 million bitcoins in circulation. But what does that really mean as far as bitcoin's value ?

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471   Misc   2024 Feb 14, 1:59am  

Just because something is intrinsically worthless does not mean it cannot go up in value.

I ain't gonna put any of my money into it, but I will watch it go up and giggle.
472   richwicks   2024 Feb 14, 3:49am  

AD says

Why will bitcoin go to $100 or less ? People lose faith in it and why would they lose faith in it ?


It has zero utility. You can't buy anything with it. To buy or sell it, in any quantity takes days or weeks.
Transactions are either incredibly slow or horrifically expensive because it's just a distributed, SLOW database.

People buying it completely don't understand it.

It's a stock of a company that makes no product and has no revenue.
473   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2024 Mar 2, 11:31am  

AD says

Not about government. It's the $$$$. The value is capped and people will lose interest in holding it because the dollar to bitcoin price will go to shit. No time frame, but it's coming.

yep, Bitcoin "halving" ..


No. The number is capped, there is no cap at all on the value people may perceive it has. It's the very 1st asset class that has this feature.
474   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2024 Mar 2, 11:34am  

AD says

Is it a software services company or a bitcoin investor ? or both ?


There are lots of videos the CEO made that describes the history of the company. Mainly how he ignored what the academics from the school he came from kept telling him about what technology to use for x-problem over the past 4 decades and how he always made out like a bandit vs. the academic strategy. The bitcorn thing is just a very recent move he made and there are lots of videos of him explaining that logic as well.
475   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2024 Apr 21, 11:15am  

LOL, strawman fail!
477   AD   2024 Apr 21, 12:56pm  

The Bitcoin miners will make money after it reaches its limit of 21 million by charging for transaction fees as part of verifying on the blockchain. There will be competition among the miners so that will determine the transaction fees.

One theory is that the NSA and CIA created Bitcoin and maybe employed a contractor to assist with this. Perhaps the CIA uses Bitcoin to fund its black ops and also to make payments to people like in the Islamic Revolutionary Guard.

Its easier for an Obama or Biden to make a payment with Bitcoin (and safer as far as leaving a paper trail to follow) then it is to send pallets of cash, etc.

.
478   AD   2024 Apr 21, 1:07pm  

richwicks says

People buying it completely don't understand it.


Look at how many Bitcoins it took to buy the median house in the USA. The number is going down each year, Mister Rich.

I know I made a forecast here about the 30 year mortgage rate reaching and/or steadying at 5.5% in 2024.

I'm going to forecast that it will take no more than 1 Bitcoin to buy a US median house within the next 5 years.

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479   ElYorsh   2024 Apr 21, 2:53pm  

AD says

richwicks says


People buying it completely don't understand it.


Look at how many Bitcoins it took to buy the median house in the USA. The number is going down each year, Mister Rich.

I know I made a forecast here about the 30 year mortgage rate reaching and/or steadying at 5.5% in 2024.

I'm going to forecast that it will take no more than 1 Bitcoin to buy a US median house within the next 5 years.

.

All Ponzi schemes initially look like the best investment ever. Just saying
480   ElYorsh   2024 Apr 21, 2:58pm  

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says





Bitcoin is really nothing until you convert it into a usable currency. Currently, It is being used as a tool to store wealth because more and more people mistrust governments' currency. Basically they are all waiting for the dust to settle and at that point convert their Bitcoin into whatever currency takes the lead. Whoever takes the lead will just tax or fee the hell out of people's "stored" wealth.
481   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Apr 21, 3:15pm  

ElYorsh says

Bitcoin is really nothing


True. Butttt....

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

Really? But the Bitcoin fluffers told us this shit is going to replace fiat currencies!

Currency, fiat or otherwise, need to have transaction utility in order to be...em, currency.
482   clambo   2024 Apr 21, 3:19pm  

A friend of mine is a retired professor of economics at UC.
He said crypto is a scam, virtual gold, gambling but better odds than Vegas or the lottery.
He recommended I buy crypto with 1/2 of 1% of my net worth.
I'm still chicken.
483   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Apr 21, 3:22pm  

clambo says

A friend of mine is a retired professor of economics at UC.
He said crypto is a scam, virtual gold, gambling but better odds than Vegas or the lottery.
He recommended I buy crypto with 1/2 of 1% of my net worth.
I'm still chicken.


Ask him how Tulip Mania worked out for everyone.
484   HeadSet   2024 Apr 21, 5:07pm  

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

Ask him how Tulip Mania worked out for everyone.

Fine, if you were not the last investor. If you buy into the Ponzi, just get out early enough to leave a little profit for the next guy.
485   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Apr 21, 5:25pm  

HeadSet says

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says


Ask him how Tulip Mania worked out for everyone.

Fine, if you were not the last investor. If you buy into the Ponzi, just get out early enough to leave a little profit for the next guy.


No. Not fine.

Capital that otherwise would have been invested into far more productive pursuits - factories, training, infrastructure, R&D, etc. - was wasted on fucking tulips and crypto.

And that impacts all of us.

Economists have a term for it, even: malinvestment

Ask your economics prof buddy. Unless his last name is Krugman.
486   clambo   2024 Apr 21, 5:50pm  

I think my friend agrees with everyone who thinks it's nonsense and malinvestment; he said it's gambling but the odds are acceptable.
I'm just too cheap to gamble more than a buck or two with lottery tickets
487   HeadSet   2024 Apr 21, 6:59pm  

UkraineIsTotallyFucked says

No. Not fine.

I was flippantly talking about the individual who buys in to a Ponzi scheme. That "leave a little profit for the next guy" is a play on that famous Rothchild axiom. Yes, any speculative investment, be it bitcoin, tulips, casino games or lottery tickets, are macroeconomic malinvestments.

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