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Remember the saying, “He went postal?.” It seems like decades since that happened. An interesting social question is why? Is life easier now as a postal employee? What social phenomenon has made post offices safer and schools more dangerous?
And thus, because there was no security controlling access to the campus or the buildings themselves, Cruz was able to enter and begin firing before encountering security. DING
Will an Uber Driver ram a chain link fence on behalf of a passenger?
Are there fences other than chain link?
Is it more or less likely someone will be spotted climbing a chain link fence?
If the Uber Driver simply drove onto Campus and disgorged a passenger without either him or his passenger being asked for ID, there was no security.
the cops knew about this kid and did nothing.
either lack of manpower, incompetence, or both
that's where the preventative focus should be...
anon_8f378 saysSo, how exactly is that going to work at 2:50 when 3000 kids are all exiting the school through those doors? Make every kid line up and exit though the same exit in single file through a turnstile?
What, people employed at Los Alamos or 1 Infinite Loop don't mostly leave around 5:00PM? Maybe the National Labs or Apple shouldn't bother having security at all, then.
I'm sure that won't result in any problems. Nevermind shooters, but crazy ranters ("iPhones zapped my brain!"), disgruntled employees, ex-lovers, thieves and spies...
You want to ban all guns, but are opposed to having a turnstile that's present in a good deal many everyday situations, such as a subway?
Hey, sometimes a bunch of flights land at the same time and 1000s of people exit the terminal. Let's let them walk the wrong way through the TSA Checkpoint, we can't possibly channel them through a...
anon_8f378 saysI'm not trying to be difficult--just trying to show you the real world reasons why your ideas haven't been and probably cannot feasibly be implemented.
How difficult would it be to implement retired LEO's or retired military to guard schools during the day?
I'd bet parents with concealed carry permits would do it for free
CBOEtrader saysI'd bet parents with concealed carry permits would do it for free
No thanks keep those nut jobs away from our kids and schools
Our high school has an actual on duty police officer working the school every day, I assumed that was the norm everywhere now
Our high school has an actual on duty police officer working the school every day, I assumed that was the norm everywhere now
errc saysOur high school has an actual on duty police officer working the school every day, I assumed that was the norm everywhere now
Sounds like Stoneman did too. He just sat outside waiting for the shooting to end.
But, let's get more of these guys at every school! If we have enough of them sitting outside waiting, I'm sure the mass killings will stop.
Who in their right mind would want their kids around retired LEO a/o retired military, armed at school?
Our high school has an actual on duty police officer working the school every day, I assumed that was the norm everywhere now
Bad example being that TSA has never stopped anyone from doing anything other than bringing their own bottle of water to avoid paying 4$ for one
errc saysBad example being that TSA has never stopped anyone from doing anything other than bringing their own bottle of water to avoid paying 4$ for one
Errc, not the point I was going for. The point was you can control entrances into areas while huge numbers of people are attempting to exit that same area.
The effectiveness of the TSA as they conduct checks was, I assure you, not a point I was trying to make.
The point was you can control entrances into areas while huge numbers of people are attempting to exit that same area.
So the logical next question you should be asking yourself is, why would it be different this time?
I’ve asked this multiple times about The Wall as well, but nobody has the courage to attempt to answer
TwoScoopsPlissken saysThe point was you can control entrances into areas while huge numbers of people are attempting to exit that same area.
Have you been to an airport? There is a (sometimes multiple TSA agents) who only watch people exit through a well defined wide doorway. They are not watching people enter. They are not checking badges.
Are you now proposing multiple guards? Some to watch the exit areas in addition to those watching the entrances?
To me it's sounding like mini Auschwitz. Complete with tall fences and guard towers. It would have to be assumed every car entering campus is a potential threat and must go through x-ray machines, and every student strip searched upon entering campus
Have you been to an airport? There is a (sometimes multiple TSA agents) who only watch people exit through a well defined wide doorway. They are not watching people enter. They are not checking badges.
To me it's sounding like mini Auschwitz. Complete with tall fences and guard towers. It would have to be assumed every car entering campus is a potential threat and must go through x-ray machines, and every student strip searched upon entering campus'
Wait, people without badges or tickets can just waltz through into the terminal at US airports?
News to me.
Yep, your local Federal Building, Apple, the Airport... just like Auschwitz. More security for adults, no security for kids.
It's funny that the people who are supposedly all about civil liberties are the ones asking for an authoritarian, police state.
It's funny that the people who are supposedly all about civil liberties are the ones asking for an authoritarian, police state.
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High school kids have ~50 years of unrealized labor potential, at a ballpark of 50k per year.
2,500,000 x 17 = $42,500,000 in lost potential wages
17 families will now have to bury a child. Average cost of funeral service 10k = $170,000
Let’s say on average 50 people attend each funeral, so they have to take a day or two of unpaid bereavement leave.
850 people x $500 in lost wages= $425,000 in lost wages
It’s not cheap to travel with no notice for planning, so we’ll use an average $1,000 per person = $850,000
100’s maybe 1,000s of survivors will now suffer from PTSD, which is hard to calculate costs but easily into the millions = $100,000,000- $1,000,000,000
So we’re already potentially north of 1 billion dollars in costs, without even beginning to consider all the ancillary costs to come, so we can pause and move over to the benefit side of the analysis.
Benefits
A gun manufacturer made a sale of ~1,000 which netted them a hundred or two in profits.
So who gets stuck with the tab for another gun nut taking his lame hobby of target practice to the local high school?
Oddly, not the gun maker. Because your halfwit Republican Government says that the gun worked as intended, to turn teenagers into bloody chunks.