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Here's a thought exercise.
It's all about framing.
A shared characteristic tied to achievement, low crime, and general good outcome could be considered "Excellence".
When a cop stops a white guy with a wedding ring, driving a mid-range car, with a cup of coffee and some folders in the cupholder and front seat, chances are he's dealing with an excellent individual and there's little reason to bother looking for drugs or a TEC-9 with no serial number or suspect that the car is stolen.
Let's call it "White Excellence" or "Asian Excellence" or "Middle Class Excellence" or even "Western Excellence" instead.
How can we inspire minorities to achieve "White Excellence"?
But of course, if you root for the underdog, right or wrong, and are reflexively over-critical and bitter, you want to frame it in a negative light, you call this "White Privilege" and act as if it's special, unmerited achievement. You view commuting to a decent job in an owned ...
Perhaps not on an individual family level
200 year old “one drop” rule to decide whether someone is disadvantaged or privileged
Excellence and Privilege are not synonymous
It's a difference in Framing. "White Privilege" is a way to emphasize the OUTCOME of championing a work ethic, handing down the results of that work ethic (inheriting property/money), and putting a high value on accomplishment, as being a negative thing, almost "Unearned Advantage." Focusing solely on the relative outcomes between those with "White Privilege" and those who don't.
"American Excellence" celebrates those values and correctly frames the "Privilege" of Whites as the result of adoption of success inducing values.
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You’re responding to the issue with faulty assumptions. Priviliges are granted to those who didn’t do anything to deserve them, hence ‘unearned’.
Excellence is something one accomplishes by working hard for it, hence why Excellence cannot be given, but must be earned.
Two completely different things. Not sure why anyone would attempt to muddy the waters by conflating them as if they ars the same
errc saysIt's a difference in Framing. "White Privilege" is a way to emphasize the OUTCOME of championing a work ethic, handing down the results of that work ethic (inheriting property/money), and putting a high value on accomplishment, as being a negative thing, almost "Unearned Advantage." Focusing solely on the relative outcomes between those with "White Privilege" and those who don't.
"American Excellence" celebrates those values and correctly frames the "Privilege" of Whites as the result of adoption of success inducing values.
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You’re responding to the issue with faulty assumptions. Priviliges are granted to those who didn’t do anything to deserve them, hence ‘unearned’.
Excellence is something one accomplishes by working hard for it, hence why Excellence cannot be given, but must be earned.
Two completely different things. Not sure why anyone would attempt to muddy t...
White Collar White guys sniff all the coke. No resources spent on harassing and jailing them.
Black kids express entrepreneurial spirit: sell crack cocaine to all the white who prefer smoking to insuffocating on the Free market! 20- life in prison with massive amounts of resources spent against them and their Small Businesses
White kids deal dope, white kids die en masse from dope: we must help thrm. Rehab and wrist slap.
There is no Racism here. Only White Excellence
White Collar White guys sniff all the coke. No resources spent on harassing and jailing them.
White Collar White guys sniff all the coke. No resources spent on harassing and jailing them.
That's because they have money, not because they're white. Blacks with tons of money get away with everything as well, see OJ. Money is the divider in the US - for better or worse - not race.
A box of condoms is $2.94 at walmart. Maybe if you can't scrounge up $2.94 to have a LOT of sex, you shouldn't be having sex.
But, the "privilege" is that society views white people, in general, move favorably in some aspects simply because they're white. A random white person who DOES NOT deserve this elevated status will still receive it to much extent - and that's the privilege, the fact that they benefit despite there being 0 information to suggest that this specific person is deserving of it (aside from their whiteness). White privilege is not open to anybody but whites, but every race enjoys their own privileges.
Would you have some quantification as to white privilege? I know only that wherever I look, quantification shows that actually equally qualified whites (and, to even a larger extent, Asians) are discriminated against. Case in point: med school admissions:
the fact that they benefit despite there being 0 information to suggest that this specific person is deserving of it (aside from their whiteness)
So because some white kid has a rich mommy and daddy, that's the platform blacks are going to use to justify having a near 80% single parent rate, extremely low high school and college graduation rates, and committing half the violent crime in the country despite being 13% of the population?
Because some rich white kid had parents (or grand parents) who made a nice life for their family, so now they are the "unfair" beneficiaries of privilege?
Nothing to win, white privilege is alive and real just like "privilege" exists in other ethnic communities however white privilege is much more prevalent - even today in the United States.
Ironically it's some black chick who actually grew up in a McMansion paid for by her two Black government worker parents who usually assumes all Whites have "privilege" and didn't learn where babies came from until 15 because she was so sheltered.
Goran_K saysThe "victim hood" game can never end, because anyone posting on PatNet can never win it.
Nothing to win, white privilege is alive and real just like "privilege" exists in other ethnic communities however white privilege is much more prevalent - even today in the United States.
As for the claim prove that it does not exist in all of the various nuances and subtleties. Something as simple as a person's name on an application for work or credit is enough to sway a decision.
Take a guess - do Asians need substantially higher scores than the rest to get in, and which races/population groups need the lowest scores to get in?
We all know the answer to that question.
Racism against asians is okay because Democrats need Hispanic and Black votes, not really asian votes.
Asians are often independent and successful so it is hard to sway their vote with favorable admission and other advantageous discrimination. However many Asians also work in govt/municipal jobs with good pensions (post office, schools etc.) and Dems know that they already got those votes . I assume the Asian vote is fairly steady and can't be swayed either way much.
Would you have some quantification as to white privilege?
the fact that they benefit despite there being 0 information to suggest that this specific person is deserving of it (aside from their whiteness)
That's called excuse making,
So long as the admission standards are tilted, it's also reasonable for employers to assume that White and Asian graduates are more competent than Black graduates.
The concept & definition of white privilege has nothing to do with excuse making.
So, compared to the other employees who were hired based on an objective merit standard, 2.5% of the black employees aren't up to standard, and likely to under perform. I think this will lead to other employees seeing this under performance, and developing biases that blacks in general under perform (because, after all, that is truly their personal experience). These people then carry that negative bias with them for a period of time, maybe their whole life
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Literally 4 in 5 black children today are growing up without a father or mother, and black women are having record numbers of children without fathers who are now totally dependent on the state for survival. From Baltimore to Newark, millions of single parent black families are on the welfare tab and voting solidly Democrat for the past 50+ years. With this instability, another generation succumbs to the same mistakes, dependent on the same welfare programs, and never ever climbing the ladder of social mobility. WTF is happening here?
This is insanity. It's cultural suicide. Liberalism/Leftism is a cultural cancer and the effects on the black community have been devastating.