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Upgrading from a HD to SSD


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2018 May 31, 5:29pm   5,526 views  30 comments

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Lenovo All-In-One. A bit tricky but it seems to fit.



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1   Tenpoundbass   2018 May 31, 6:14pm  

It should, get a Blax box external SATA cradle fits large or small drives connects to your USB. That way you just keep the old drive and pull them off as you need them or keep the old files where they are and work with them from the new location.
2   anonymous   2018 May 31, 6:33pm  

Get ready for a significant speed upgrade. SSD or bust.
3   Ceffer   2018 May 31, 7:18pm  

I have been thinking about getting one to boot the Mac. Egads, I think my first Mac had a 500MB hard drive, and that was considered a lot.
4   just_passing_through   2018 May 31, 9:25pm  

DIY'ers get my respect.
5   NuttBoxer   2018 Jun 1, 10:57am  

The picture's not big enough for us to nerd out on.

I replaced my IDE drive in my server the other weekend. Yes, I was still rocking a ribbon. Put an SSD in, brand new re-install of my OS(Ubuntu 18.04LTS) since the original install had a lot of crap I wasn't using. Put a 10k in for my backup drive(photos, documents, etc). Plan on getting an external HDD as my real backup that I plug in once a month, and let it sync over new data. Will keep that in a drawer or something somewhere else in the house, my best attempt at redundancy since I don't trust cloud.
6   MAGA   2018 Jun 1, 2:46pm  

NuttBoxer says
he picture's not big enough for us to nerd out on.


How about now? I am using Crucial MX500 SSD.
7   MAGA   2018 Jun 1, 4:19pm  

just_passing_through says
DIY'ers get my respect.


Then you will like this:

http://www.edinahigh70.org/woking/power.htm

I did this while I working in the UK.
8   Patrick   2018 Jun 1, 5:03pm  

SSD has the additional advantage (besides speed) that it will not be corrupted by magnetic fields.

I once put a neodymium magnet in my pocket and forgot about it until I put my laptop on my lap. The spinny disk was instantly and permanently toasted. Ow.
9   just_passing_through   2018 Jun 1, 8:31pm  

I used to build rigs and over clock them. Crucial made fantastic RAM sticks so I suspect they make good SSD. I'm probably preaching to the choir but the drawback with SSD is you can't read/write to it as many times as you can a disk.
10   just_passing_through   2018 Jun 1, 8:33pm  

jvolstad says
Then you will like this:

http://www.edinahigh70.org/woking/power.htm

I did this while I working in the UK.


Two thumbs up!
11   bob2356   2018 Jun 2, 5:48am  

just_passing_through says
I used to build rigs and over clock them. Crucial made fantastic RAM sticks so I suspect they make good SSD. I'm probably preaching to the choir but the drawback with SSD is you can't read/write to it as many times as you can a disk.


Who cares? The stuff is so cheap you can move everything to an external drive every night. Let it die 10 years down the road and buy another one.
12   just_passing_through   2018 Jun 2, 11:08am  

bob2356 says
Who cares? The stuff is so cheap you can move everything to an external drive every night. Let it die 10 years down the road and buy another one.


People who use a lot of media and buy expensive machines with soldered on SSD drives that's who cares.
13   MAGA   2018 Jun 2, 11:28pm  

Very interesting. Overprovisioning.
www.youtube.com/embed/Q15wN8JC2L4
14   bob2356   2018 Jun 3, 5:20am  

just_passing_through says
bob2356 says
Who cares? The stuff is so cheap you can move everything to an external drive every night. Let it die 10 years down the road and buy another one.


People who use a lot of media and buy expensive machines with soldered on SSD drives that's who cares.


How much is an expensive 10 year old laptop worth these days? Unless you are talking about enterprise servers ssd life should very rarely be a problem. https://www.howtogeek.com/322856/how-long-do-solid-state-drives-really-last/

So taking all of this data in at once, what overall conclusion can we draw? Looking at these studies consecutively, it might seem like your SSD will burst into flames after a year or two. But keep in mind, two of the studies were on enterprise-class data centers, reading and writing data more or less constantly every day for years, and the consumer-oriented study was done specifically to stress test drives with constant use. In order to reach a petabyte of total written data, the average consumer would have to use his or her computer more or less nonstop for a decade, maybe even multiple decades. Even gamers or “power users” will probably never reach the stated maximum amount of data written for a drive under its warranty.

In other words: You’ll probably upgrade your entire computer before your SSD fails.
15   MAGA   2018 Jun 4, 8:35am  

Maybe there should be a utility that warns the user when the SSD is wearing out. If you want to keep the computer, you can just swap out the old drive for a new one.

My All-In-One desktop is 5-years-old. The only upgrade I have performed up to this point is bumping the memory up to 8GB. The SSD, with prices dropping so much, was a cheap upgrade.

https://www.amazon.com/Crucial-MX500-500GB-NAND-Internal/dp/B0784SLQM6
16   FortWayne   2018 Jun 4, 9:13am  

Nice

Does it work better? Ssd doesn’t break making clicking noises like conventional HD’s right?
17   MAGA   2018 Jun 7, 3:08pm  

FortWayne says
Nice

Does it work better? Ssd doesn’t break making clicking noises like conventional HD’s right?


Yes, it does work faster and I only have a SATA2 connection on my PC.
18   Heraclitusstudent   2018 Jun 7, 3:22pm  

How old is this PC?
19   NuttBoxer   2018 Jun 11, 1:14pm  

just_passing_through says
the drawback with SSD is you can't read/write to it as many times as you can a disk.


Important point. SSD's are best utilized for OS operations, not long term storage, or backups. I'm running a headless system, so improvement wasn't dramatic, but definitely get the feeling my system is running better and faster overall now.

The one piece I haven't nailed down is how to access the server files from other home machines. Don't want to use SAMBA again as it's really designed for Windows(haven't used that at home in over 10 years), and always seems to have more vulnerabilities. Have been looking into sshfs, but had some initial trouble figuring out how to mount the directory with the needed permissions.
20   NuttBoxer   2018 Jun 11, 1:17pm  

jvolstad says
How about now? I am using Crucial MX500 SSD.


Better. When it comes to hardware and porn, you can never have too many pics, or over-enlarge the images.
21   just_passing_through   2018 Jun 11, 7:27pm  

bob2356 says
just_passing_through says
bob2356 says
Who cares? The stuff is so cheap you can move everything to an external drive every night. Let it die 10 years down the road and buy another one.


People who use a lot of media and buy expensive machines with soldered on SSD drives that's who cares.


How much is an expensive 10 year old laptop worth these days? Unless you are talking about enterprise servers ssd life should very rarely be a problem. https://www.howtogeek.com/322856/how-long-do-solid-state-drives-really-last/

So taking all of this data in at once, what overall conclusion can we draw? Looking at these studies consecutively, it might seem like your SSD will burst into flames after a year or two. But keep ...


"The good news is that SSDs are probably much more reliable than you think, and certainly at least as good as hard drives in terms of data retention and failure rates. The bad news is that SSDs tend to fail more often with age, and not with extended data reading and writing, as formerly predicted."

Bob, they ain't as good as disk drives. When a disk-drive fails you can often still get your data off of it. If you have important data your best bet is to store it on a disk drive. Always always back up anything important on disk drives. CDs and DVDs are poor storage devices as well. Paper is better than all of them and granite before that. Super important data, for instance a note that says, "We dumped radio-active waste here", is now being burned in binary form into crystals. That shit lasts forever.
22   MAGA   2018 Jun 11, 11:08pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
How old is this PC?


5 years old.
23   zzyzzx   2018 Aug 22, 9:31am  

I'm thinking of doing a SSD upgrade to a laptop. But mostly because it's a HP where the BIOS limits the amount of RAM that you can install to 4GB, which really isn't enough, so it's using lots of virtual memory that's really slowing it down. I figure using virtual memory on a SSD isn't going to be as much of an impediment.
24   NuttBoxer   2018 Aug 22, 11:55am  

zzyzzx says
I'm thinking of doing a SSD upgrade to a laptop. But mostly because it's a HP where the BIOS limits the amount of RAM that you can install to 4GB, which really isn't enough, so it's using lots of virtual memory that's really slowing it down. I figure using virtual memory on a SSD isn't going to be as much of an impediment.


Have you considered your OS may be a resource hog? Linux is a good solution when you face HW constrictions. SSD should enhance performance of OS though.
25   Evan F.   2018 Aug 22, 12:39pm  

zzyzzx says
I'm thinking of doing a SSD upgrade to a laptop. But mostly because it's a HP where the BIOS limits the amount of RAM that you can install to 4GB, which really isn't enough, so it's using lots of virtual memory that's really slowing it down. I figure using virtual memory on a SSD isn't going to be as much of an impediment.

If your BIOS is limiting you to 4GB of RAM then it's time to get a new laptop, dude. Lol
26   Automan Empire   2018 Aug 22, 5:19pm  

SSDs are great! It's pathetic when you turn on a 4 core computer with 8GB of memory, and can go brew a pot of coffee, pour a cup, sit down and find that while it's dumped you to the desktop, it's still in Helen Keller mode as the boot process continues.

Replace HDD with SSD and the process sped up what felt like tenfold.
27   zzyzzx   2018 Aug 23, 7:36am  

Evan F. says
If your BIOS is limiting you to 4GB of RAM then it's time to get a new laptop, dude. Lol


It has Windows 7 on it (from the factory) The BIOS limitation is part of HP's planned obsolesce. I only use it one day a week and even them not much. If it were a desktop, yes, that kind of BIOS limitation would indicate that it's really old, but it's not.


NuttBoxer says
Have you considered your OS may be a resource hog? Linux is a good solution when you face HW constrictions. SSD should enhance performance of OS though.


I might try that as well, meaning Ubuntu. I was just trying to keep the Windows 7 in it because I use it to work from home, and the work VPN software doesn't work in Linux (although I do have phone apps for that). Otherwise I would have done that already.
28   NuttBoxer   2018 Aug 23, 11:17am  

zzyzzx says
I might try that as well, meaning Ubuntu. I was just trying to keep the Windows 7 in it because I use it to work from home, and the work VPN software doesn't work in Linux (although I do have phone apps for that). Otherwise I would have done that already.


Unfortunately, that sounds very familiar. You could install a dual-boot, but if work is the main reason you use it, that won't help much. Can you install a new bios?

The downside of newer Ubuntu is Unity. XLE is a good bare-bones install you might want to check out.
29   zzyzzx   2018 Aug 23, 12:08pm  

NuttBoxer says
Can you install a new bios?


Only if a new one is available from HP, which seems unlikely since I suspect that this was done on purpose. if it helps, it's a HP G60-635DX
30   NuttBoxer   2018 Aug 24, 12:11pm  

Not sure how adventurous you are, you could try to install Libreboot.

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