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1   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 22, 7:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This is nothing new.

Here, this is from a Clapper interview in March.


"More accurately, I think I sort of backed into it. The issues with President Trump started when he was President-elect, and when we- I say “we”, the Director of the FBI (then James Comey), Director of the CIA (then John Brennan), and the Director of National Security Agency (still Admiral Mike Rogers) and I- went to Trump Tower on the 6th of January to brief then President-elect Trump and his team on the Russian interference.

And we had completed what’s called an Intelligence Community Assessment, which was tasked by President Obama around the 5th of December, to put together all the reporting at whatever classification level, to put in one place, one document, the extent, magnitude, and depth of the Russian interference in the election.

And, early on, then President-elect Trump just couldn’t accept that."


https://sites.duke.edu/policy360/2018/03/06/ep-63-james-clapper-on-russia-trump-and-leadership/
2   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 22, 7:17am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
I'm assuming it was known even way before that interview that Obama tasked intelligence agencies in to looking into the extent, magnitude and depth of Russian interference in the election, in December of 2016.


Too bad Obama didn't have his amazing intelligence agencies do anything about the Russian hacking, even though he knew about way before December.

Now, only if we could do something about Brennan:

...."And once again Kimberley Strassel - who by now has become the focus of social media attacks for her truth-seeking reporting - does it again this morning, as she points out - after his 'treasonous' outbursts, that Obama's CIA Director John Brennan acknowledges that it was him egging on the FBI's probe of Trump and Russia."

More notable, Mr. Brennan then took the lead on shaping the narrative that Russia was interfering in the election specifically to help Mr. Trump - which quickly evolved into the Trump-collusion narrative. Team Clinton was eager to make the claim, especially in light of the Democratic National Committee server hack. Numerous reports show Mr. Brennan aggressively pushing the same line internally. Their problem was that as of July 2016 even then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper didn’t buy it. He publicly refused to say who was responsible for the hack, or ascribe motivation.


Hey, but don't worry, the FBI was never politicized.... right? Such an honorable organization.
3   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 22, 7:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
More notable, Mr. Brennan then took the lead on shaping the narrative that Russia was interfering in the election specifically to help Mr. Trump


Maybe there were specific Russian facebook posts about pizzagate, or Clinton murders, strategically targeted to key markets, that supported that conclusion.
4   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 22, 7:29am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
lostand confused says
Come down to the real world and have an adult conversation, then we can talk


Like this ?lostand confused says
blah, blah, blah, blah-I can't argue with facts and so it must be alie-more blah, blah. LOL.

So you flagged my post-how liberal. . That is a mirror tot he way you are acting.
I tell you clearly-you act normally-I will talk normal to you and you flag it-I assume it si you-that is offensive to you??
5   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 22, 7:30am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
Well, well, well- Clapper blames Obama for the entire Russian witch hunt-LOL-this is going to be fun.


Yes, the word "blames" makes this basically a lie. I attribute it to Rush Limbaugh, based on a quick google search.
6   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 22, 7:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
lostand confused says
Well, well, well- Clapper blames Obama for the entire Russian witch hunt-LOL-this is going to be fun.


Yes, the word "blames" makes this basically a lie. I attribute it to Rush Limbaugh, based on a quick google search.

Nope , he basically just came out and said everything is Obama's fault. But liberlas, liberlas.LOL-you guys now just make me laugh.
7   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 22, 7:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
marcus says
lostand confused says
Come down to the real world and have an adult conversation, then we can talk


You mean Like this ?

lostand confused says
blah, blah, blah, blah-I can't argue with facts and so it must be alie-more blah, blah. LOL.

So you flagged my post-how liberal. . That is a mirror tot he way you are acting.
8   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 22, 7:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
Nope , he basically just came out and said everything is Obama's fault. But liberlas, liberlas.LOL-you guys now just make me laugh.


I wish that your repeating an assertion being the extent of your willingness or ability to even hear me, made me laugh.
9   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 22, 7:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
everything is Obama's fault


There it is again. You really can't see the lie ?
11   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 22, 7:39am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

If and when the full story of Russian involvement comes out (I'm not even talking about Trump's compaign's involvement (clue:neither was Clapper)). if and when there is a ton of proof of Russian involvement in the election, are you still going to continue with this kind of nonsensical fake news ?
12   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Jul 22, 7:47am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hillary colludes witht eh Russians to get the fake dossier, which the Obama admin used to egt a FISA spy warrant that started the spy on trump campaign. The warrant details were released. Out comes Clapper saying-hey it was Obama -he si responsible for everything including the special counsel.
Now storzk already talked about the insurance policy he discussed with McCabe who was fired. Storzk former mistress who was a witness seems to be co-operating with congress and investigators. magically Clapper comes out of the blue and says it was Obama from the beginning and he si responsible for everything-INCLUDING the MUELLAR investigation.


well, well, well.this should get interesting. The Russia playbook is worn out. Like they say, it si the cover-up that gets you caught. Hilalry and it appears the FBI and Obozo colluded witht he Russians to spy on trump and derail his campaign.
13   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 22, 7:52am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The difficult thing for Trump and Trumpeters is that even if there wasn't collusion directly between Trump and Russia in our 2016 election, the idea that it's possible that Trump only won becasue of Russian involvement, triggers the hell out of you people,

IT's especially difficult for Trump to accept that possibility, which in turn makes his behavior even worse than it already was.

Whcih did he say ? Was it that he couldn't see why it "wouldn't" be Russia. or couldn't see how it "would" be Russia. Which is more consistent with the sentences that followed about how Putin "strongly and powerfully denies."

No biggee it's at the same level as countless lies we hear per week every week from Trump. No biggee.
14   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 22, 7:54am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
Hilalry and it appears the FBI and Obozo colluded witht he Russians to spy on trump and derail his campaign.


I'll credit your imagination. But this is more recycled fake news. In the reality based world it's already been accepted that the spying was done on people other than Trump, but in his campaign who were in fact guilty of at a minimum entertaining offers from Russia without reporting them to law enforcement agencies.
15   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 22, 8:09am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

lostand confused says
Out comes Clapper saying-hey it was Obama -he si responsible for everything including the special counsel.


I understand that your sources spin hard to the right. But if you read carefully, you will see that Clapper is only referring the "Intelligence Community Assessment" which was basically a request to put all existing intelligence reporting that already existed on Russian involvement in the election in to one document.

Sure, much that followed including congressional briefings, and the Mueller investigation may not have happened without that report. But be objective for a moment. Why is Russian involvement in our election not a big deal ? And I'm not talking about collusion with Trump now.

I believe that if Trump was more secure about all of this, and if he had normal Presidential leadership skills, he would have taken the lead in chastising Putin for his involvement in our election, and he would be praising Mueller's investigation, even if it is uncovering bad actors in his own campaign. Instead, being the stable genius that he is, he acts like he's guilty of something and terrified about what's going to come out about him. I guess the most generous interpretation is that he's trolling the left, and that he's thinking of the ratings for this reality TV drama we call the Trump Presidency.
16   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 22, 8:22am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
if and when there is a ton of proof of Russian involvement in the election, are you still going to continue with this kind of nonsensical fake news ?


There's where the Democrats go off the rails. Trying to connect Russian involvement in the election to Trump collusion.

Here's a hint, Russia has been meddling in election politics (as well as other parts of the government) since computers have been invented. We do the SAME thing will all other countries.

But to tie it into the Trump campaign, well, just takes TDS to a whole new level.

Ahhh, but THIS time it's different. (and Hillary got more votes), sounds like those Russians really suck with their involvement, doesn't it?
17   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 22, 8:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Newsflash: The objective of the Mueller investigation is to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.

It doesn't say anything about connecting it to Trumps campaign. We just don't know how involved Trump was. Sure there's shoddy "journalism" and internet based and other commentary garbage on both sides of the question about collusion. But it's not even the goal of the investigation to show that. Considering that Mueller is a republican, I would assume the hope at least would be that they try to find evidence of collusion and fail. If Trump is confident that he and his sons weren't stupid enough to collude with Russians (although there are stupid public statements by Trump more or less asking for Russia to Hack in to Hillary's email server - he was "just kidding."), then he should be saying positive things about the investigation, while maybe expressing disappointment about some of the findings so far.

Sure you can find garbage on the internet that is liberal spinning that's nearly as bad as this from the OP:


Obama was behind spying on President Trump and all the corrupt and criminal actions involving the government, including the Mueller investigation –


From one of the first lines of the opinion piece that was posted above.

Why the need to talk about OBama blame, and "criminal corrupt actions."

IT's almost as if they are programming the base in fear of some bombshell that's going to come out..

The sad thing is that I believe all this propaganda might actually work. Or maybe it's not sad. We don't want the TPBs of the world on on the street killing liberals becasue Trump was impeached out of office (which you guys would spin as a coup d'etat )
18   Tenpoundbass   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 22, 8:53am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Let's not forget folks Trump said he would drain the Swamp and take it to them. He didn't say Obama and Hillary.
The Swamp has a lot of Snakes, Toads, and Rats.
19   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 22, 8:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Newsflash: The objective of the Mueller investigation is to ensure a full and thorough investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election.

It doesn't say anything about connecting it to Trumps campaign.


Really?

Is that why Manafort is in jail?

What about former Trump campaign associates – Michael Flynn, Richard Gates, Alex van der Zwaan and George Papadopoulos ?

No connection to Trump?

marcus says
Sure you can find garbage on the internet that is liberal spinning


Finally, an admission.... Yea!!!!

marcus says
Why the need to talk about OBama blame, and "criminal corrupt actions."


Because it was HIS FBI that HE was in charge of that started this FAKE investigation.

marcus says
The sad thing is that I believe all this propaganda might actually work.


Actually, all this Liberal propaganda ISN'T working, more and more Americans can see it's all bullshit.
20   bob2356   ignore (3)   2018 Jul 22, 10:02am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
Really?

Is that why Manafort is in jail?

What about former Trump campaign associates – Michael Flynn, Richard Gates, Alex van der Zwaan and George Papadopoulos ?

No connection to Trump?


So you are saying the trump campaign really was involved? Ok if you say so.
21   marcus   ignore (4)   2018 Jul 22, 11:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MrMagic says
Is that why Manafort is in jail?

What about former Trump campaign associates – Michael Flynn, Richard Gates, Alex van der Zwaan and George Papadopoulos ?

No connection to Trump?


The objective of the investigation is investigating Russian interference in the 2016 election.. IF that naturally lead to connections to Trump campaign, then so be it. It still doesn't incriminate Trump directly. At least not so far.

MrMagic says
Actually, all this Liberal propaganda ISN'T working, more and more Americans can see it's all bullshit.


What's all bullshit ? We all know that Russia's involvement in the election was not bullshit. We all know that that's well worth investigating. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat that it's a witch hunt. That doesn't make it true.
22   HEYYOU   ignore (18)   2018 Jul 22, 11:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

How many indictments & guilty pleas has the investigation led to? How many more? Who's next?
What does Mueller know?

That's what a good President does. He protects America by making sure our enemies aren't spying & infiltrating our govt. & elections.
So unlike our President Traitor giving America to Russia.

Rep/Cons are so stupid! Obama is not President.
They need to start Russian language classes.
23   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 22, 1:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
So you are saying the trump campaign really was involved? Ok if you say so.


No just hassled for things they did OUTSIDE of the campaign.

Reading comprehension.
24   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 22, 1:29pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
MrMagic says
Actually, all this Liberal propaganda ISN'T working, more and more Americans can see it's all bullshit.


What's all bullshit ? We all know that Russia's involvement in the election was not bullshit.


But trying to tie it into Trump and his campaign is the bullshit part.

Are you saying the Liberal media hasn't been trying to tie those two together the last year and a half?
25   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Jul 22, 2:58pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Clapper: Obama Was Behind The Whole Thing

Former Director of National Intelligence (DNI) James Clapper admitted in a CNN interview Saturday that former President Obama instigated the ongoing investigations into Donald Trump and those in his orbit.

Speaking with CNN's Anderson Cooper, Clapper let slip:

If it weren’t for President Obama we might not have done the intelligence community assessment that we did that set up a whole sequence of events which are still unfolding today including Special Counsel Mueller’s investigation. President Obama is responsible for that. It was he who tasked us to do that intelligence community assessment in the first place.

And with Clapper's admission - it looks like Strzok's text stating "the White House is running this" may have been right on the money.



https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-22/clapper-obama-was-behind-whole-thing





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