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2018 Aug 14, 9:57am   4,330 views  28 comments

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He's going to be found guilty of some process crimes, not filing things, failing to disclose, etc. No super sekrit treason with Russia or anything earth-shattering.

For shit that mostly went down around a decade ago.

Might even be he gets time served, fines, and some probation.

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1   Tenpoundbass   2018 Aug 14, 9:59am  

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
Possibility he gets time served and fines.


And a huge pardon and ticker tape parade. The very minute Mueller goes down in flames.
2   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 14, 10:02am  

All this time and all Mueller will get is some Process Crimes, maybe a willful failure to file or something.
3   Bd6r   2018 Aug 14, 10:54am  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
He'll be convicted of tax fraud.

Gates will tell the prosecutors where to find the notes that bridge the campaign and the live Russian operatives in Manafort's archives if they don't already have them isolated.


dr6B says
I believe Manafort was working for Ukraine pro-Russian president Yanukovitch re-election campaign. Knowing how things are done in that part of E. Europe, I would guess payments involved sacks of cash, not accounted for officially and not taxable other than by mafia. So, nailing him for tax evasion is probably possible and should be done; I also think there was nothing political, just love of money involved.


More Edit: ledgers for "off-book" payments by Yanukovitch, supposedly mentioning Manafort at least once, are depicted here: https://censor.net.ua/photo_news/408240/mvd_peredast_nabu_neskolko_listov_originalov_chernoyi_buhgalterii_pr_avakov_foto

Mentioned 22 times in Ukrainian "off-book" payments: https://en.censor.net.ua/news/402371/money_for_manafort_was_most_often_received_by_former_party_of_regions_mp_kaliuzhnyi_mp_leshchenko
4   MrMagic   2018 Aug 14, 10:55am  

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
He's going to be found guilty of some process crimes, not filing things, failing to disclose, etc. No super sekrit treason with Russia or anything earth-shattering.


Exactly...

But the Liberals will claim the Russians made him cheat on his taxes 10 years BEFORE he joined the Trump campaign.

Aphroman says
TDS! TDS! TDS!

Liberals ruined everything!


Finally, an accurate statement.
5   Heraclitusstudent   2018 Aug 14, 11:31am  

There is nothing wrong with a technicality that sends the right person in prison.
Cf Al Capone.
6   RWSGFY   2018 Aug 14, 11:33am  

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
He's going to be found guilty of some process crimes, not filing things, failing to disclose, etc.


Good.
7   socal2   2018 Aug 14, 12:03pm  

Heraclitusstudent says
There is nothing wrong with a technicality that sends the right person in prison.
Cf Al Capone.


A process that let Hillary and all her flunkies off the hook after taking hammers to subpoenaed celll phones and bleach bit to servers?

That process?
8   CBOEtrader   2018 Aug 14, 12:30pm  

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
He'll be convicted of tax fraud.

Gates will tell the prosecutors where to find the notes that bridge the campaign and the live Russian operatives in Manafort's archives if they don't already have them isolated.

The deal will be Manafort walks for confirmation of Trump's participation in conspiracy.

Then the indictment that matters hits the desk.


Anything is possible but there is no publcily known evidence of this so far. Even if true this would be a fraction of HRC's collusion to influence our election.

There is ample evidence of team HRC colluding w intelligence agencies both within ours and other governments to attack trump. This doesnt even count the DNC using $200 million of Bernie donations for HRC's campaign, fake protesters dressed like Bernie supporters who were paid to cause mayhem at trump rallies, OR CNN giving HRC the answers to debate questions, or the 98% anti Trump MSM coverage.

Noone in their right mind could argue HRC didnt collude w every power establishment to manipulate our democratic process.
9   lostand confused   2018 Aug 14, 1:58pm  

I don't know about trials. But his defense rested without calling a single witness-are they angling for an appeal?
10   MrMagic   2018 Aug 14, 3:23pm  

lostand confused says
I don't know about trials. But his defense rested without calling a single witness-are they angling for an appeal?


Either that or they think the .gov really doesn't have a case.

.gov attorneys sometimes have a tough time against real world private attorneys.
11   rdm   2018 Aug 14, 3:25pm  

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
He's going to be found guilty of some process crimes, not filing things, failing to disclose


If by "process crimes" you mean tax fraud and bank fraud you are correct.
TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
No super sekrit treason with Russia


You are also correct, because he wasn't on trial for treason, so pretty difficult to be found guilty of a crime you weren't accused of committing.
Still the tax and bank fraud charges carry a shit load of jail time.

lostand confused says
But his defense rested without calling a single witness

If you have followed the trial it is heavily a documents case with corroborating witnesses. There is no defense other than the prosecution did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt and hope one juror loves Trump. Acquittal is pretty near impossible, hung jury his best hope in the verdict.

He is hoping for a pardon. However he probably also committed State tax fraud and other crimes which Trump can't pardon.
12   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 14, 5:35pm  

Aphroman says
Some of us demand a return to Law & Order

Others are seemingly full of hot air


Nothing to do with me. Mueller has a weak case and can only prove process charges, MAYBE a tax charge.

Even so, don't expect 20 years in prison. I'd be shocked if it's more than a few years.
13   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 14, 5:35pm  

dr6B says

More Edit: ledgers for "off-book" payments by Yanukovitch, supposedly mentioning Manafort at least once, are depicted here: https://censor.net.ua/photo_news/408240/mvd_peredast_nabu_neskolko_listov_originalov_chernoyi_buhgalterii_pr_avakov_foto

Mentioned 22 times in Ukrainian "off-book" payments: https://en.censor.net.ua/news/402371/money_for_manafort_was_most_often_received_by_former_party_of_regions_mp_kaliuzhnyi_mp_leshchenko


Now do the Podestas. Boy, did they shut that firm down so fast, the employees got whiplash.

They subcontracted to Manafort.

Nothing Manafort is charged with relates to the Trump campaign and the offenses are mostly the early part of the decade.

justyouwait TRUMPTARDS! Mueller is coming WITH FIRE!!! To Purge the ORANGEDOUCHE AND HIS CRONIES!!! GANJA AKBAR!!!
14   Bd6r   2018 Aug 14, 8:33pm  

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
Now do the Podestas.

They should, but I doubt they will. One crook gets hosed, but the others go free
15   curious2   2018 Aug 14, 8:43pm  

dr6B says
TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
Now do the Podestas.

They should, but I doubt they will. One crook gets hosed, but the others go free


Tony Podesta is a registered foreign agent for KSA, thus protected. He co-hosted a Clinton fundraiser with his brother John, Hillary's campaign manager. MSM don't ever mention foreign collusion with KSA.

I agree with you about Russia, but I think lately KSA poses a bigger threat. Since the Clinton administration, the advice given publicly by the Russian ambassador to the USA has tended to be better for American interests than the advice given by the CIA. From bombing Serbia to Hillary's War in Libya and arming Sunni militias in Syria (including ultimately al Quaida), the Clintons and their CIA loyalists have served KSA at American expense. When the USA bombed Serbia, it was Russia that tried to point out the Serbs had been allies in WWII, while the Bosniaks had joined the Nazis; nevermind, KSA petrodollars counted more than history. And then of course there was W's response to 9/11, with the full support of Senator Hillary Clinton. BTW, prior to the USSR collapsing, CIA produced wildly exaggerated estimates of Soviet capabilities and prospects. CIA did not forecast collapse until after it happened, and CIA cold warriors have continued on the same Petrodollar driven KSA "alliance" against Russia ever since. They have really never changed course, from the founding of the CIA through the present day. I would not vote for Putin, but I can see his POV with regard to KSA influence over the USA.

The current circus might end in a few pardons, after it has completed its purpose of exhausting the Democrats. Like a toreador, President Trump waves that red flag, and Democrats charge, and then he'll stick a midterm sword into their necks. If he wants, he might even stretch out the show to 2020.
16   CBOEtrader   2018 Aug 14, 10:47pm  

Aphroman says
What does any of this have to do with the comment you quoted?


I know you've been lied to so I understand your confusion.

Hillary colluded to influence our election. Part of that collusion is this entire Trump/Russian rouge. It is becoming more and more clear by the day that Trump did nothing, and instead this is all part of a cover up for HRC Inc's crimes.

They never thought she would lose.
17   Ceffer   2018 Aug 14, 11:13pm  

I thought there was the Bill 'nHillary bribe exemption to the tune of 10 million or so a year, right in the ole 1040 form. Any unused exemptions can be carried forward.
18   marcus   2018 Aug 14, 11:14pm  

CBOEtrader says
and instead this is all part of a cover up for HRC Inc's crimes.


Who knew there would be so much HDS ? Incredible considering she didn't even win.
19   CBOEtrader   2018 Aug 15, 7:03am  

marcus says
CBOEtrader says
and instead this is all part of a cover up for HRC Inc's crimes.


Who knew there would be so much HDS ? Incredible considering she didn't even win.


Ample evidence of HRC colluding on every level including w Russia to frame trump as a traitor to manipulate our elections.

Zero evidence of wrong doing on Trumps part.
20   rdm   2018 Aug 15, 9:40am  

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says
Nothing Manafort is charged with relates to the Trump campaign and the offenses are mostly the early part of the decade.


Yes and no. The bank fraud charges which carry lots of jail time happened in the last few years. And as to the Trump campaign nothing at all that implicates Trump himself in this indictment but the banker out of Chicago, Steven Caulk was promised a position in the Trump administration possibly Sec. of the Army, and loaned Manafort millions (these were the largest loans this small bank had ever made, 16 mil.) against the recommendation of others in the Bank. Of course the loans have gone south.
21   bob2356   2018 Aug 15, 10:17am  

CBOEtrader says

Ample evidence of HRC colluding on every level including w Russia to frame trump as a traitor to manipulate our elections.
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CBOEtrader says
Hillary colluded to influence our election. Part of that collusion is this entire Trump/Russian rouge. It is becoming more and more clear by the day that Trump did nothing, and instead this is all part of a cover up for HRC Inc's crimes.


Trump has had his entire time in office to get the justice department to file charges. Prosecute Hillary the first day he said. Yet nothing happens. Is trump incompetent or just lazy? Too busy tweeting about insignificant former staffers I guess. Maybe he should STFU and run the country instead. Are we still waiting for the next BLOCKBUSTER that is sending obama/hillary to jail?
22   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 16, 2:46am  

Well, there's no Russian Collusion

And, there's no really nothing but Manafort taking money from Ukraine years ago. And it looks like that case is weak.

So, millions of dollars and a year and bupkiss except for some wire fraud, maybe a witness tampering, from 2013.

Finally, the "N-word" tape apparently can't be found.

Anything else?

rdm says
Steven Caulk was promised a position in the Trump administration possibly Sec. of the Army,


That's on Manafort, the fired campaign manager, if they can even get that shit to stick for a charge Still nothing to do with Trump unless they have email/phone records.

In any case, we know Obama Transition Leader Podesta gave Michael Froman vetting powers over cabinet positions from Podesta's own email.
23   MisterLefty   2018 Aug 16, 3:20am  

In an unexpected recognition that the ultra wealthy are not above the law, Robert Rubin and Hank Paulson will be arrested and perp walked. CNN won't cover it, though.
24   Shaman   2018 Aug 16, 6:11am  

bob2356 says
Are we still waiting for the next BLOCKBUSTER that is sending obama/hillary to jail?


As fun as it was to watch on live tv, actually sending your political opponent to prison after you win an election is impossible unless you want to cross that line that divides banana republics from democratic republics. As much as she deserves it, she’s bulletproof against further prosecution, nevermind that she’s been tried in the court or public opinion and found to be just as awful as suspected.

A few more years and she’ll shuffle off this mortal coil, but hopefully not before she finishes the destruction of her party.
25   Shaman   2018 Aug 16, 6:19am  

Btw the same rule above applies to Donald Trump’s situation. There’s no possibility that he would be sent to jail for any such crime of which he’s been accused. He probably could shoot someone on fifth avenue and get away with it, simply because in the end, it’s not law that governs the masses but emotion. You send a sitting president to prison, and you create a shitload of radicals out of his supporters. Unless he’s clearly guilty of something radically heinous, he won’t even be impeached. The threat to stability and the ABILITY TO GOVERN is just too great! If let’s say the Democrats win big in November and get a majority needed to impeach Trump (for whatever silly charge they’ve threatened), we’d have a MOB of supporters ready to burn down the capitol building. This is just a reality. When the rule of law is twisted to such a fundamental level, the people become ungovernable. This is a problem for kings and petty tyrants as well, but we don’t have the gestapo and police state in place to contain such an internal threat. A few million people with guns marching on DC to free the POTUS would absolutely break the nation’s unity and we’d likely have Civil War II unless saner heads prevailed. More likely, the Congress critters would suddenly come to the belief that Trump was not guilty and restore him to power... before the mob got there.

Messing with the root of government just isn’t done by any politicians worth their wages.
26   CBOEtrader   2018 Aug 16, 6:33am  

bob2356 says
Are we still waiting for the next BLOCKBUSTER that is sending obama/hillary to jail?


No. We are waiting for an investigation to fully understand the crimes already known about HRC.

Still no evidence for Trump collusion. Are you ready to admit theres nothing there? That the MSM and team HRC lied to you to manipulate the election and hide their own transgressions. Or are we still waiting on that BLOCKBUSTER which will prove the conspiracy theorists right? Rachel Maddow and her ilk have gone completely unhinged
27   clambo   2018 Aug 16, 7:24am  

Manafort may be convicted of something but he's got too many people who handled his taxes and finances to be actually guilty.

The guy who prepared his taxes signed the return and took some responsibility for it, not just Manafort.

I recall a situation with my father and his tax preparer in Manhattan was a big company UHY Advisers. They charged him a bundle.

He inherited something, later they dissolved the limited partnership and sent him a K-1 which was in error. When he inherited the asset, that was a new cost basis, but the K-1 reflected the basis of his mother in law who bought the investment. The difference was thousands of dollars in capital gains taxes (California and federal).

When discussing the problem with UHY the preparer said "We cannot produce a tax return which does not coinicide with the K-1." I said "My father does not wish to pay a tax he does not owe "

The solution was he paid the tax he did not owe, but later UHY prepared an amended return and things were straightened out even though it probably cost an extra $2000.

My point is: UHY would be on the hook for lies on tax returns and they won't allow even the appearance of a lie.

So why did Manafort's tax preparer agree to lie for him?
28   Bd6r   2018 Aug 16, 7:58am  

clambo says
Manafort may be convicted of something but he's got too many people who handled his taxes and finances to be actually guilty.

He had business dealings with corrupt E. European governments, who pay cash. It would be easy to avoid reporting that income to US tax authorities.

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