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I bet those more than 100 Facebook employees find themselves strangely not advancing in their careers no matter how hard they work.

Patrick says

I bet those more than 100 Facebook employees find themselves strangely not advancing in their careers no matter how hard they work.

Why the fuck does it matter what someone's political beliefs are at FB? It's a social media site, not an election site. This kind of perversion plagues our offices when corporations attempt to be more than just places to earn a paycheck.

AntiOcasioCortez says

Patrick says

I bet those more than 100 Facebook employees find themselves strangely not advancing in their careers no matter how hard they work.

I bet they are the top 100 on the list of employees for the next 'restructuring', too.

I also read that FB HR has received written complaints of 'a hostile work environment' because of just the mere existence of this FB group.

They are probably among the top 200 of worthwhile employees out of the thousands that work there as well......

A famous Pakistani cricketer has offered ON FACEBOOK a bounty to anyone who murders a Dutch politician who is sponsoring a Mohamad cartoon contest. Blasphemy is a capital offense in Pakistan, as per Islam, and at least one FB user is on death row in Pakistan for blasphemy on FB. That FB user was convicted with the help of FB.

I wonder what would happen if an FB employee pointed out these facts about Islam and FB's involvement in enforcing it in Pakistan.

AntiOcasioCortez says

Remember: There are no civil rights protections for being discriminated by an employer over your political views.

Actually, there is such a protection:

California's laws against employer political activity retaliation, Labor Code 1101 and 1102 LC, prohibit employers from

setting any policy that prevents employees from engaging in political activity or running for political office, or that tries to control or direct employees' political activity,
attempting to control employees' political activities by threatening to engage in political activity retaliation, or
retaliating in any way (including through wrongful termination) against an employee for his/her political beliefs or activities.1
Examples of employees who might have a case against their employer for political activity workplace retaliation include:

A woman who is fired after she writes an op-ed for her local paper criticizing a candidate for office to whom her employer has been a large donor; and
A man who is demoted at work by his pro-choice boss after he joins the board of a nonprofit organization that opposes abortion.
California employees whose employers violate Labor Code 1101 and/or 1102 by punishing them for their political beliefs or activity may be able to sue their employers for public policy wrongful termination or wrongful constructive termination.

Depending on the facts of the case, an employee victim of employer political activity retaliation may be entitled to lost wages and benefits and/or additional damages for pain and suffering.2

https://www.shouselaw.com/employment/political-retaliation.html

Patrick says

Actually, there is such a protection:

California's laws against employer political activity retaliation, Labor Code 1101 and 1102 LC, prohibit employers from

Do they have codes like this in other states? Is James Damore suing under these codes?

James Damore tried, but the lawsuit failed. The problem was it was speech at work. The law is about political speech outside of work. He even had an excellent lawyer, Harmeet Dhillon.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/01/16/google-foe-james-damores-lawyer-has-deep-history-defending-conservative-views/

I don't know about other states.

You'd think lawyers in California could literally collect billions of dollars in damages, since discrimination against Trump supporters is so rampant and blatant in the SF Bay Area. It's the norm and not the exception. Maybe employees are reluctant to sue because they rightly conclude they will just face further discrimination in Silicon Valley once it is known that they stood up for their rights.

If it can be documented that a disproportionate number of the people fired were "deplorables", then there could still be a case, just like with racism.

NuttBoxer says

Patrick says

I bet those more than 100 Facebook employees find themselves strangely not advancing in their careers no matter how hard they work.

Why the fuck does it matter what someone's political beliefs are at FB? It's a social media site, not an election site. This kind of perversion plagues our offices when corporations attempt to be more than just places to earn a paycheck.

Please allow me to provide some perspective on working at a tech company in the Bay Area. If you are conservative, you are extremely outnumbered. The majority tends to feel empowered and comfortable to express/bond over their left leaning political views with frequency that someone not from here would likely never expect.

I myself have worked with several left leaning engineers that find it unimaginable that someone could have political beliefs that differ from theirs in the Bay Area.

And I should point out that it’s not just tech. I have a family member in the medical field who describes the same type of environment.

@Patrick, do you happen to know what James is up to currently? I know he was on the Joe Rogan show not long after being let go from Google. Has Patnet ever tried to reach out to him?

What will happen when the right overtakes the left in novel tech? Is this even a serious consideration? Why has it not happened by now?

steverbeaver says

Why has it not happened by now?

Perhaps because the super rich will always lean to the left. Left = entrenched power for oligarch level elites.

Also, as Jordan Peterson likes to say, it's the risk taking liberal mindset that starts businesses. He also points out that the conservative mindset is better for running the day-to-day, and yet noone in GOOG is conservative so perhaps JP's theory isnt complete.

BayArea says

Has Patnet ever tried to reach out to him?

Lol should we invite him to an ask me anything.

CBOEtrader says

BayArea says

Has Patnet ever tried to reach out to him?

Lol should we invite him to an ask me anything.

I did try at first, but no answer. If anyone knows how to contact him, please invite him here.

CBOEtrader says

the super rich will always lean to the left. Left = entrenched power for oligarch level elites.

Not only that, but global sales has a great ring to it if you've maxed out the American market because working class Americans have mostly been impoverished by the globalization of production...

NuttBoxer says

Why the fuck does it matter what someone's political beliefs are at FB? It's a social media site, not an election site.

Because the wealthy owners of FB and many other companies ascribe to the Golden Rule: “He who has the gold makes the rules!”

Patrick says, James Damore tried, but the lawsuit failed. The problem was it was speech at work. The law is about political speech outside of work.
As AntiOcasioCortez says, co-worker and I keep it real quiet at work about our true political views. In fact, the rest of our co-workers automatically assume we are fellow libtards. We've gotten real masterful in the art of delivering the double entendre, too.
So we are forced to hold faux political beliefs. A Latina coworker recently told me in hushed tones that she had voted for Trump; after I remarked that over half the people I knew who had voted for Trump were not white, the stereotypical disgruntled voters we are told voted for him. I admitted although I did not vote for him as I prefer Libertarian views, and disagreed with him on many topics, but was starting to lean that way.

AntiOcasioCortez says

In the BA, the term "coming out of the closet" now means: "Admitting to your co-workers that you vote Republican and/or hold conservative views".

So true. My manager is a conservative republican and many people constantly talk behind his back, ridiculing him for it.

TrumpingTits says

Patrick says

Actually, there is such a protection:

Activism vs just holding beliefs. It seems to make that distinction in that code you cite.

But then you have to prove it in either case. If these people are axed in the next 'restructuring', FB won't be blatantly telling them "we are really firing you for being GOP Nazi Trump Loving Deplorables!". That's the entire point of organizing a 'restructuring' to get rid of people they normally would get sued for doing on a more easily identified targeting basis.

But you might prove you were wrongfully terminated. Especially if multiple terminations occurred, and a pattern was established.

Aphroman says

the left runs everything

Actually, the left does run most things, like education, the press, Hollywood, Wall Street.

Patrick says

Aphroman says

the left runs everything

Actually, the left does run most things, Wall Street.

Hmmm, you sure?

Absolutely.

It's near 100% in education, press, and Hollywood, but only about 80% on Wall Street.

I agree with you on all points but Wall Street. Not saying you are wrong, that’s just new info to me.

RafiMaas says

This is because you have to have a college education to become a teacher and there are more democrates with a higher education level than Republicans.

Lol, the ratio is like 55/45 and this is a relatively new phenomenon. It is almost entirely demographics (more women and minorities in college now) as well as the influx of "studies" departments. Only 20 years ago this ratio was swapped, and leftists still dominated education. Although numbers are accelerating due to the nazi-like exclusion of wrong think these days. This is a dangerous trend

BayArea says

I agree with you on all points but Wall Street. Not saying you are wrong, that’s just new info to me.

A LOT of the money makers on wall street are conservative. However, the big time CEO's are almost entirely left leaning, even if its just for marketing purposes.

CBOEtrader says

However, the big time CEO's are almost entirely left leaning

I feel that's more of a coastal state thing. CA/NY/Washington. They are more conservative in other states.

Patrick says

It's near 100% in education,

nope, depends on field. Engineering is pretty balanced, natural sciences have reasonable number of R's.

https://www.nas.org/articles/homogenous_political_affiliations_of_elite_liberal

The STEM subjects, such as chemistry, economics, mathematics, and physics, have lower D:R ratios than the social sciences and humanities. The highest D:R ratio of all is for the most ideological field: interdisciplinary studies. I could not find a single Republican with an exclusive appointment to fields like gender studies, Africana studies, and peace studies.

AntiOcasioCortez says

Because their IQs is too high for them to get stuck in such loser 'disciplines'?

Probably because requirement for being hired in those disciplines is non-stop virtue signalling and hating Fucking White Males

Patrick says

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