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Muh Fine Arts Degree


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2018 Oct 14, 2:17pm   3,089 views  23 comments

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I bet with a Fine Arts degree she cannot not:
* Write a piece of music nor perform it
* Paint anything other than a "Jackson Pollack"
* Sculpt in Play-dough, much less Bronze, Marble, or even Clay.

At a level anybody would even pay $20 for as a canvas for the John or Motel 6 Room.

And if she could, she probably learned it in Summer Camp 10 years ago, not in college.

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1   Patrick   2018 Oct 14, 2:52pm  

Early lesson in bad life choices!

If she can recover from this mistake, maybe she will be on the road to understanding reality, and thus living a happier future life.

Prolly not though, and the "unfairness" of being unemployed with a "college degree" may well drive her to put on a pussyhat and shake her fist at Trump.
2   RWSGFY   2018 Oct 14, 3:04pm  

Honey, you're most definitely not "99%".
4   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Oct 14, 4:58pm  

In Fairness, we also have to damn the administrators who didn't basically force her to choose a different major.

"Are you from a family that can get you a job at one of their non-profits they're on the board of?"
"No."
"Do you have a trust with over $1M in it?"
"No."
"Then we can't let you into the Fine Arts Program."

Requiring schools to place students in careers that at least remotely are tied to their major would be a huge step up.

This goes for Lib Arts PhDs, too. Like Film Studies. "You can mint 10 new Film PhDs a year, so long as you find a $30k+ job for each and everyone within 90 days of their award."
5   Patrick   2018 Oct 14, 5:38pm  

Colleges need to have some skin in the game. They need to get paid depending on how their graduates get paid.
6   curious2   2018 Oct 14, 5:38pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
find a $30k+ job for each and everyone within 90 days of their award."


The cynicism of academe is boundless: law schools have begun hiring new grads for temporary jobs in order to say that all new grads are employed within x days of graduation. After that number of days, the "job" ends.

The only solution is for government to stop subsidizing and guaranteeing student loans, with the possible exception of a few specific fields that are in peak demand (e.g. nursing, software engineering). Even in those fields, repayment should be limited to a % of income for a specific period of years. Obama tried to reduce the problem but the for-profit "universities" beat him, and besides the "non-profits" are often no better. There should never be any subsidy or loan guarantee to get a degree that is already in surplus, e.g. film studies. If a school can't collect its loans from the earnings of the graduates/victims, then let it go out of business.

Government and parents have bid up the price of university education to such an extent that it is almost as overpriced as the medical sector. No one insists on any tangible value.
7   Ceffer   2018 Oct 14, 5:51pm  

She just doesn't realize her potential. She is already privileged to have 'just' $20K in student debt. She can pay that off on her knees rather quickly giving blowjobs to prominent men, and then follow up with rape accusations and GoFundMe sites. She'll be rich in no time without the cumbersome ritual of strategic marriage and divorce.
8   clambo   2018 Oct 14, 6:05pm  

She has just $20,000 in debt? That's not a big problem.

She obviously has no pride and doesn't care about making money. If she did, she would live with 1. her parents 2. some man who would help her financially (or a woman depending on her preference)

If she's taking food stamps I have zero sympathy for her. She's a leech on society.

Where I live there are a ton of help wanted signs for jobs which may not be awesome but they are plentiful.

She could work at night as a stripper and make $500/week part time. She could be a waitress and make $1000 per month and have free time to do something else.

She is going to have to relocate to where they are hiring people.
9   BayArea   2018 Oct 14, 6:58pm  

She got a very cheap lesson in poor life choices with that degree.

Agreed that colleges need to have some skin in the game
10   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2018 Oct 14, 7:11pm  

She can get a job without a degree. Art degree = no degree for practical purposes unless she has a rich uncle. But plenty of jobs are there.
11   Rin   2018 Oct 14, 10:27pm  

Ceffer says
She can pay that off on her knees rather quickly giving blowjobs to prominent men, and then follow up with rape accusations and GoFundMe sites.


Yup, that's the new American way!
12   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Oct 14, 10:45pm  

curious2 says
The only solution is for government to stop subsidizing and guaranteeing student loans, with the possible exception of a few specific fields that are in peak demand (e.g. nursing, software engineering). Even in those fields, repayment should be limited to a % of income for a specific period of years.


More and more this is probably the answer.

Another measure would be a requirement for somebody to have finished an associate's degree at a community college, and only then can they get a loan, and that only as you say, in a needed area. Community College can't be any cheaper.
13   komputodo   2018 Oct 15, 6:55am  

curious2 says

The only solution is for government to stop subsidizing and guaranteeing student loans


What gave you the idea that the govt is looking for a solution? All the "important people" are getting rich
14   Bd6r   2018 Oct 15, 7:30am  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
The only solution is for government to stop subsidizing and guaranteeing student loans, with the possible exception of a few specific fields that are in peak demand (e.g. nursing, software engineering). Even in those fields, repayment should be limited to a % of income for a specific period of years.


More and more this is probably the answer.

Another measure would be a requirement for somebody to have finished an associate's degree at a community college, and only then can they get a loan, and that only as you say, in a needed area. Community College can't be any cheaper.


My experience is that community colleges do not teach anything. Having a pulse and paying tuition is sufficient for passing. May be pulse is not even required.

Solution, overall, could be very simple: limit federal guarantees to a relatively small amount of money (5-10K per year/4 yrs), do not allow use of student money for sports and rec centers unless it is completely voluntary etc. But that ain't gonna happen because population wants "college experience" and thinks that someone else will pay for it. Students themselves vote for building football stadiums even though they will have to pay for them!
15   CBOEtrader   2018 Oct 15, 7:48am  

Patrick says
Colleges need to have some skin in the game. They need to get paid depending on how their graduates get paid.


That's called a free market. This is why kahnacademy , and other digital education platforms will eventually replace or at least highly supplement college.
16   Evan F.   2018 Oct 15, 8:32am  

I have a fine arts degree (MFA). Works good for me, I've been able to support a family and afford 2x pieces of Los Angeles real estate on my income.. no help from Mommy or Daddy, no trust fund. All debts paid.

I feel bad for people who think that getting a degree is the end of your professional education when really it's the beginning.
17   Shaman   2018 Oct 15, 8:53am  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Community College can't be any cheaper.


In California it’s effectively free! And thanks to feeder programs that encourage students to do good for two years in community college and get assured a spot in the cal state system to finish up, it’s a fairly cheap way to go.
Also if your kid is more into trades than fine art, community college can give him extensive training in job skills he can use to earn a very nice living for life. If he’s willing to use his hands and get them dirty, he can earn a nice wage, full health benefits, and even a pension for retirement. But he’s gotta be willing to actually work.
18   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2018 Oct 15, 9:41am  

Is her purpose to warn others to plan ahead, unlike her?

If she thinks she deserves better, she better re-examine her poor assumptions.

College qualified her for nothing she wasn’t qualified for right after high school.
19   RC2006   2018 Oct 15, 12:03pm  

She needs to put down the sign so I can properly understand how bad off she is.
20   HeadSet   2018 Oct 15, 12:28pm  

The only solution is for government to stop subsidizing and guaranteeing student loans, with the possible exception of a few specific fields that are in peak demand (e.g. nursing, software engineering).

And those exceptions should be sponsored. If a company needs engineers, they need to pay tuition in return for a work commitment. Corporate finance would look for the best bang for the buck, and would help lower cost overall to the benefit of the pay as you go people.
21   Shaman   2018 Oct 15, 1:41pm  

Many companies do pay to send employees to further school. But here’s the rub: you have to get a job with them first and then get the ok. Everyone wants to qualify such promises.
22   Bd6r   2018 Oct 15, 2:44pm  

Quigley says
Many companies do pay to send employees to further school. But here’s the rub: you have to get a job with them first and then get the ok.

We have quite a few such students in MS programs. Catch is, companies will not do this routinely for BS students - they can't really tell if an 18-yr old is serious.
23   Hircus   2018 Oct 15, 8:41pm  

I think the amount of education assistance should be proportional to some metric based on societal demand / reward, so that degrees that lead to jobs that society truly needs are given much more assistance than less useful degrees, like art.

I think some system that allows the market to help set pricing would be good. This way, investors could research and help allocate funds efficiently, and the govt could assist/drive with it's long purse strings. Maybe something like allowing investors to buy education bonds on a per-major basis, but the govt matches 50% or whatever.

Of course, govt would probably want to still set some yearly per-major minimums, and make it so the amount of annual assistance per major isn't too volatile. Otherwise it would make it very difficult for students to plan and for schools to budget.

Both students and parents need a good cold splash of "Mom, why won't investors fund my lame plan to get a degree in gender studies?" juice.

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