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Coldest Thanksgiving since the mid-late 19th Century.


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2018 Nov 22, 3:03pm   5,328 views  38 comments

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Across the Northeast Tuesday morning, winter weather advisories are in effect, with much of New England anticipating snow.

Around 7 a.m. EST snowfall’s expected to begin from western Massachusetts to Albany, New York, as well as in southern Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine. Snow showers from Buffalo to Watertown are also expected in New York.

Widespread snowfalls of 2 to 4 inches are possible, with some areas, including higher elevations, potentially seeing as much as 6 inches.

Thanksgiving Day is going to be frigid, with wind chills in the Northeast below zero and in the teens from Washington, D.C., to Pittsburgh to Philadelphia.

Record lows are expected throughout the region, with daytime temperatures forecast to be 20 to 35 degrees below normal. Temps should return to normal by the weekend.

On the West Coast, much-needed rain should be falling soon, necessitating a flood watch for parts of Northern California from Wednesday evening through Friday morning. Heavy rains may help extinguish the deadly Camp Fire, but too much precipitation could lead to mudslides.

Beginning Wednesday evening, 6 to 15 inches of snow is possible throughout the Sierra Nevadas, which could make travel in those areas quite difficult.

Earlier on Wednesday morning, and perhaps lasting much of the day, showers are likely from Seattle down to Los Angeles.

Another storm likely will move in Thursday night, into Friday morning, but it will mostly be confined to the Northwest, where a flood watch should be in effect.


http://sandhillsexpress.com/abc_national/blast-of-snow-for-new-england-before-recordcold-thanksgiving-abcid36131389/

Since the late 19th Century...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/thanksgiving-day-will-be-coldest-over-century-millions-us-n938926

Coldest Macy's Thanksgiving Parade since it began in 1924.

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1   Booger   2018 Nov 22, 5:16pm  

Below freezing when it's normally 50 degrees, and our first snow of the season a whole month early.
2   Onvacation   2018 Nov 23, 8:05am  


What happened to all the heat from global warming climate change?
3   Onvacation   2018 Nov 23, 8:08am  

Some people still believe co2 will catastrophically raise the temperature, melt the poles, and cause the wetbulb death of millions!

No solutions, just doom!
4   lostand confused   2018 Nov 23, 8:16am  

Global warming err it is now climate change so anything that happens will fit into this liberal fallacy. Liberlas will lead to our doom.
5   Bd6r   2018 Nov 23, 8:22am  

This is just one data point - it is fairly meaningless. One hot spring or cold winter can be just an aberration.
6   lostand confused   2018 Nov 23, 8:33am  

d6rB says
This is just one data point - it is fairly meaningless. One hot spring or cold winter can be just an aberration.

True, but when global warming is a gospel and they change it to climate change and already implemented a tax plan to combat it-well . Nobody questions how airplanes fly or how elevators work or how a gun works-all have the same understanding.

Liberls are fools.
7   mell   2018 Nov 23, 8:48am  

lostand confused says
d6rB says
This is just one data point - it is fairly meaningless. One hot spring or cold winter can be just an aberration.

True, but when global warming is a gospel and they change it to climate change and already implemented a tax plan to combat it-well . Nobody questions how airplanes fly or how elevators work or how a gun works-all have the same understanding.

Liberls are fools.


Exactly. It's relevant in the context that lefties attribute every single natural disaster or storm to GW. So doing the opposite with opposite yet anecdotal data points seems fair. Or we could grow up and stop the hysteria and politicians taking advantage of GW and go back to real science.
8   zzyzzx   2018 Nov 23, 8:53am  

28 degrees here in central Maryland.
9   zzyzzx   2018 Nov 23, 8:55am  

More importantly, if shopping today, keep your phone camera app ready in case any fights break out.
11   Bd6r   2018 Nov 23, 9:09am  

lostand confused says
already implemented a tax plan to combat it

That is the real and in my mind the only important problem. There is a pre-determined "solution" which will make people who implement it more rich, while not doing anything for climate or even being harmful (bioethanol is a good example).
And, of course, ORANGE MAN BAD, HIS FARTS DESTROY ENVIRONMENT!
12   Ceffer   2018 Nov 23, 9:10am  

Global Warming Froze My Ass Off, AGAIN!!!
13   Bd6r   2018 Nov 23, 9:11am  

zzyzzx says
More importantly, if shopping today, keep your phone camera app ready in case any fights break out.

I prefer to NOT shop under any circumstances, especially today!
14   NuttBoxer   2018 Nov 23, 10:37am  

Stupid global warming, make things hotter!
15   marcus   2018 Nov 23, 10:57am  

Onvacation says
What happened to all the heat from global warming climate change?


Definitely NOT the same thing that happened to a lot of climate change denier's understanding of statistical variance, or for that matter the common sense of climate deniers.

Better add this to the list ! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_weather_records

OH wait, this is coldest for a particular holiday. Not the coldest day or even the coldest November day.

Let me get this straight. There are people that think this somehow statistically balances out actual dozens of all time hottest (as far as records go back) days for specific regions in the past decade ? Or that it maybe somehow undoes the uptrend for average global temperature.
16   marcus   2018 Nov 23, 11:20am  

DOes anyone think that there will be many regions in the world experiencing an unusually cold winter this year ?

I would love it if that happened. But even onvacation probably knows that it won't.
17   mell   2018 Nov 23, 11:36am  

marcus says
DOes anyone think that there will be many regions in the world experiencing an unusually cold winter this year ?

I would love it if that happened. But even onvacation probably knows that it won't.


Definitely possible with the data so far. Many early winters already. Europe was on a late summer spell until recently but now getting pretty cold already.
18   Onvacation   2018 Nov 23, 11:46am  

d6rB says
This is just one data point

One more data point.
Are you familiar with Mann's hockey stick graph posted above? It postulated that the temperature was pretty steady for a thousand years and then, because of human co2 production, the temperature spiked and would continue rising. Mann's proprietary data diminished the medieval warming period, the little ice age, and the American dust bowl as localized events and claimed to be able to know the worldwide average temperature down to a couple degrees for the last thousand years.

Climate change is not global warming. It is better to prepare for the weather than to whine about the climate. You can't do much about either.
19   marcus   2018 Nov 23, 12:08pm  

d6rB says
One hot spring or cold winter can be just an aberration.


True if you mean for one region.

But if we could have one winter where the average of the entire planet (as read from various stations) was as cold as a cold winter 50 years ago, or if the the ocean temperatures went back to what they a few decades ago, I would take it as proof that proponents of anthroprogenic climate change are wrong.
20   Bd6r   2018 Nov 23, 12:22pm  

marcus says
True if you mean for one region.

But if we could have one winter where the average of the entire planet (as read from various stations) was as cold as a cold winter 50 years ago, or if the the ocean temperatures went back to what they a few decades ago, I would take it as proof that proponents of anthroprogenic climate change are wrong.

Even one season on the whole planet may be an aberration, although the possibility of that aberration is less than that happening only in one part of world during limited time frame.
I do not think anyone can argue that on average it has been getting warmer (these are facts, and in science you do not argue with facts). However, we can and should argue with interpretation of the facts. I am sure there is some component of anthropogenic in warming, but I do not know if it is 1% or 99%, or somewhere in between. I also do not know how much warming comes from CO2, how much comes from city heat islands, or is there something else humans are doing to screw over climate (and themselves). The issue though is what do we do? I'd say that there are many good reasons to develop energy alternatives which people of even opposing ideologies can agree on. Less use for oil = Lower oil price = less money for Russia and Saudi Arabia, which I think all of us would agree is a good thing. Oil is not renewable, meaning that it will eventually run out, even if it is in hundreds of years. Why not use it for producing something, instead of just burning it? Why not use nuclear, which is statistically much safer than coal and probably also oil, and is carbon-neutral? And so on. If we just take ideology out of the argument, then many of us can agree on something even if the reasons for agreeing are different.
Al Gore with his hypocritical 100000000 sq ft house which consumes energy of half of Appalachia, or non-scientific bias against people who are against AGW, or new taxes which will be used for supporting another crop of bureaucrats flying to a climate change conference in Rio, or celebrities For Green Earth who also consume as crazy are not an answer, and make many people have gag reflex when hearing about AGW.
21   Onvacation   2018 Nov 23, 12:32pm  

d6rB says
I do not think anyone can argue that on average it has been getting warmer

On what time scale?
The last two years have been getting cooler. Because of the solar minimum increasing, the next couple of years promise to erase all of the temperature "gains" claimed by the alarmists.
d6rB says
(these are facts, and in science you do not argue with facts).

Agreed. That is why they changed the name to "climate change".
22   Onvacation   2018 Nov 23, 12:36pm  

marcus says
But if we could have one winter where the average of the entire planet (as read from various stations) was as cold as a cold winter 50 years ago,

It should happen within the next 5 years if the solar scientists are right about the solar cycles.

I am certain the Malthusians will find a new apocalypse to look forward to.
23   Malcolm   2018 Nov 23, 1:32pm  

d6rB says
This is just one data point - it is fairly meaningless. One hot spring or cold winter can be just an aberration.


Please remember that next year, when every record high or low will be conclusive proof of climate change.
25   NuttBoxer   2018 Nov 23, 2:18pm  

Look man. Here’s the problem with you guys and your global warming/climate change/don’t give a fuck what you call it. The problem is that your only solution is government intervention. Now if I had a cause, and I wanted to sink it faster than the Titanic, the first thing I’d do is say it can only be solved by government. This accomplishes one thing. That I get to keep bitching and moaning about it without offering any solutions that require me to do shit.

I’m not an alarmist, and I don’t subscribe to others being on the hook for my problems. So that’s why you’ll never sell me on this as anything more than contrived bullshit.
26   marcus   2018 Nov 23, 3:27pm  

NuttBoxer says
I’m not an alarmist, and I don’t subscribe to others being on the hook for my problems.


What if there were a form of energy that would be far cleaner and even cheaper in the long run than using oil and coal ? SAy thorium or some other type of 3rd or 4th generation nuclear reactors ?

For the sake of argument, let's suppose it really would work and ultimately it would give us plentiful and cheap electricity.

Are you really going to tell me that government (not the part that's owned in part by fossil fuel lobbyists) should have no role in directing investment in the direction of building these plants ? And ultimately in making it happen ?

Planning for such things at the national level makes sense, and it should ultimately have little to do with political ideology. It is regrettable that Al Gore made this a democratic issue. Too many people can't see past that.
28   Bd6r   2018 Nov 24, 7:14am  

marcus says
Planning for such things at the national level makes sense, and it should ultimately have little to do with political ideology. It is regrettable that Al Gore made this a democratic issue. Too many people can't see past that.

Absolutely correct. Fracking which now is in vogue, was developed with government (DOE) money in 1970's, and many people forget that. See http://thebreakthrough.org/archive/interview_with_dan_steward_for.

However, there is YUUGE difference in helping private sector with developing microseismic technologies for shale mapping, or better nuclear reactors, and trying to slap taxes on everything that moves that typically benefits already rich people, which is the preferred way of operation of "progressives" these days. And hypocrites like Al Gore make things less palatable even for those who are, like me, in principle agreeable with government involvement.
29   Tenpoundbass   2018 Nov 24, 7:25am  

Booger says


Oh yeah, look at all of the sea landmarks. I've been using Fort Jefferson, but I'm sure you spoon bending, butt fucking, Capitalism hating, American loathing Californholes, can just walk your Evil ass down to the Bay and look at the Golden Gate bridge Pylons, bring this image with you. Then cry Liberal tears because you can't detect a single drop of water in sea level rise.

30   Onvacation   2018 Nov 24, 9:15am  

marcus says
It is regrettable that Al Gore made this a democratic issue.

It's not a political issue it's a chicken little issue. The temperature is not rising catastrophically, Manhattan and Florida are still above water, and the wetbulb death of millions is still just an alarmist fantasy.

If the planet continues to cool will the alarmists realize they've been duped? Or will they blame some natural phenomenon, like volcanoes, for "saving" us from, or at least postponing disaster?
31   Shaman   2018 Nov 24, 9:19am  

mell says
It's relevant in the context that lefties attribute every single natural disaster or storm to GW


I saw an article the other day blaming global warming for the recent forest fires in Califonia.
That’s a tougher sell by an order of magnitude than a mere data point like this coldest Thanksgiving in a hundred years. But it was written like it was gospel by the lying media.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-wildfires-global-warming-jerry-brown/

http://fortune.com/2018/08/27/california-fires-climate-change-report/

https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article221518685.html
32   mell   2018 Nov 24, 9:24am  

Quigley says
mell says
It's relevant in the context that lefties attribute every single natural disaster or storm to GW


I saw an article the other day blaming global warming for the recent forest fires in Califonia.
That’s a tougher sell by an order of magnitude than a mere data point like this coldest Thanksgiving in a hundred years. But it was written like it was gospel by the lying media.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-wildfires-global-warming-jerry-brown/

http://fortune.com/2018/08/27/california-fires-climate-change-report/

https://www.sacbee.com/latest-news/article221518685.html


It wasn't particularly hot or dry but dry enough plus initial high winds fanned the butte fire "perfectly". Zero connection to GW, climate change whatsoever. Oh and faulty pg & e lines caused the sparks. They were actually debating to shut the power down for many after initial reports but it's a tough sell to those cut off from power. But yeah, nothing to do with global warming.
33   marcus   2018 Nov 24, 12:49pm  

Face it. Denying anthropogenic climate change is all about dimbulb right wingers trying to "win." Are there really morons so thick as to think that sea level rise is a hoax ?

Wtf ?

(REad in the voice of Simpson's Barny Gumble)

"DArr, me smarter than all the scientists in the whole werld, becasue I read right wing propagnda on dat intermnet thingy. ME saw photos and eberyting ! Everytrhin shood be questioned, on account of liberal nazis run sciance and the media.....Darrrrrrrrrrr, Burrp. Juss luk at how out of control Librul lies are !!!!"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise
34   Onvacation   2018 Nov 24, 3:02pm  

marcus says
Are there really morons so thick as to think that sea level rise is a hoax ?

Sea has been rising since the end of the last ice age. Can't argue with facts.

What's the long term rate?

When do you expect the rate to asymptote and flood Florida?

Deniers want to know. Alarmists will no longer make short term predictions.
Onvacation says

What happened

Michael Mann is still hiding behind lawyers.
35   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Nov 24, 3:22pm  

mell says
Exactly. It's relevant in the context that lefties attribute every single natural disaster or storm to GW. So doing the opposite with opposite yet anecdotal data points seems fair. Or we could grow up and stop the hysteria and politicians taking advantage of GW and go back to real science.

Yup.

Guaranteed if there's a rather ordinary periodic drought this summer in the USA somewhere, it will be touted as evidence of Global Warming.

But when there's a cold snap, it's just anecdotal.
36   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Nov 24, 3:25pm  

mell says
It wasn't particularly hot or dry but dry enough plus initial high winds fanned the butte fire "perfectly". Zero connection to GW, climate change whatsoever. Oh and faulty pg & e lines caused the sparks. They were actually debating to shut the power down for many after initial reports but it's a tough sell to those cut off from power. But yeah, nothing to do with global warming.

This is also true.

Massive forest fires have been common in California forever, Louis & Clark reported them as well. We know this for a fact from tree rings.

The Indians themselves used controlled burns to try to keep conflagrations from starting, and to insure new green shoots for animals, for hunting purposes. They not only did this in California, but all over North America. The Indians were very aggressive forestry managers, and they also set prairie fires for the same purpose.

Louis & Clark reported the West as a land of Fire and Smoke.

Some background:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_use_of_fire_in_ecosystems
37   NuttBoxer   2018 Nov 26, 10:20am  

marcus says
Are you really going to tell me that government (not the part that's owned in part by fossil fuel lobbyists) should have no role in directing investment in the direction of building these plants ? And ultimately in making it happen ?


You mean like all the green companies Obama admin invested in, that promptly went bankrupt? As I said, betting on the government to further your dream is a bad bet, every time. There are good alternative's, magnet's and compressed are are a couple that come to mind. But government can't tax compressed air, so they aren't too keen on advancing that tech. Private industry is where progress is made. Government only adopts once everyone else has embraced it, and at that point, who cares? Government holding tech up, good bet, advancing tech, bad bet.

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