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1   Strategist   2018 Dec 3, 7:53pm  

tovarichpeter says
The firstIraq war was also based on lies


Bullshit!
2   Strategist   2018 Dec 3, 8:07pm  

The second Iraq war was a mistake in hindsight only. The democrats, including Hillary Clinton, voted for the war.
I heard loads of silly arguments for both wars:
1. We did it for the oil.
Really? Where is all the free oil?
2. The war was to make Halliburton rich.
Really? How rich are they? World's first $trillion company?
3. Bush Jr wanted to take revenge, because Saddam tried to assassinate him.
Really? This one is the most stupid. Lots of people want to kill Presidents of the USA. Duh!
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How about the real reason:
To deny a dictator controlling half the world's oil exports. The whole world economy would be at the mercy of one evil dictator.
The whole world agreed with us, but foolish extreme left wingers thought otherwise.
3   MisterLefty   2018 Dec 4, 5:06am  

After Saddam attacked us on 911, and as Condi said, was plotting to nuke us, and also drive those mobile germ warfare weapons labs down Main Street, USA, as Colin Powell warned the UN, what else could we do?
4   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2018 Dec 4, 5:45am  

THE LIE THAT BUSH LIED ABOUT THE IRAQ WAR
By Larry Elder
July 29, 2016

The assertion that GWB lied about Iraq is an absolute crock. The Senate bi-partisan Robb-Silberman investigation found NO ONE LIED. (See the attached piece.) There were two commissions in Great Britain that looked into it – – both found nobody lied.

Not even Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama has accused Bush of "lying." But Bush haters do?!?

The only way someone can maintain with a straight face that George W. Bush lied into the Iraq war is to immerse himself in ignorance, refuse to listen to clear, obvious facts and/or retain a pathological hatred of George W. Bush because it provides psychological satisfaction.

They need a shrink.

Relevant articles/videos:

"Let's Refresh Our Recollection About Why We Went Into Iraq"

http://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2015/08/20/trump-accused-of-trashing-gop-brand--by-gop-brandtrashers-n2041109


"It's A 'Lie' That Bush Lied About Iraq And WMD"

"Our commission determined that the intelligence community was 'dead wrong' about Saddam’s weapons. But as I recall, no one in Washington political circles offered significant disagreement with the intelligence community before the invasion. The National Intelligence Estimate was persuasive—to the president, to Congress and to the media.

"Granted, there were those who disagreed with waging war against Saddam even if he did possess WMD. Some in Congress joined Brent Scowcroft, a retired Air Force lieutenant general and former national security adviser, in publicly doubting the wisdom of invading Iraq. It is worth noting, however, that when Saddam was captured and interrogated, he told his interrogators that he had intended to seek revenge on Kuwait for its cooperation with the U.S. by invading again at a propitious time. This leads me to speculate that if the Bush administration had not gone to war in 2003 and Saddam had remained in power, the U.S. might have felt compelled to do so once Iraq again invaded Kuwait.

"In any event, it is one thing to assert, then or now, that the Iraq war was ill-advised. It is quite another to make the horrendous charge that President Bush lied to or deceived the American people about the threat from Saddam."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/laurence-h-silberman-the-dangerous-lie-that-bush-lied-1423437950


"Trump Ignorantly Says Bush Lied About Iraq War"

http://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2016/02/18/trump-bush-administration-knowingly-lied-about-iraq-war-intel-n2120851


"Actually WMD WERE In Iraq--But The New York Times Sneakily Re-defined WMD After Our Military Discovered Them"

http://www.jacksonsun.com/story/opinion/columnists/2014/10/26/iraqs-wmds-really-exist-bush-right/17841209/

"James Clapper, Obama's CURRENT Director of National Intelligence, Says WMD WERE There--Saddam Got Rid If It During The Run Up To The War"

http://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2014/06/26/10-reasons-why-iraqs-bloodbath-is-not-ws-fault-n1855756

"Iraqi General Georges Sada Says He Helped Rid Iraq Of Its WMD During The Run-Up To The War"

www.youtube.com/embed/eQ9CgDEPlHE&autoplay=1


"Who Thought Saddam Had WMD?--Most Everybody"

http://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2006/05/25/who_thought_iraq_had_wmd_most_everybody

"Democrat After Democrat Said Saddam Had WMD"

http://youtu.be/RhZ2ZvS2t_E


"Bill Clinton CIA Head, George Tenant, Served Under Bush, Too--He Said It Was A 'Slamdunk' That Saddam Had WMD; Bill Clinton Thought So, Too"

Even AFTER The War Started Bill Clinton Admitted He Thought The WMD Were There

http://townhall.com/columnists/larryelder/2004/02/05/on_iraq_and_wmd_did_the_president_lie


"George W. Bush's Decision To Invade Iraq Was Correct"

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/02/george_w_bushs_decision_to_invade_iraq_was_correct.html

"Bill Clinton's Top Persian Gulf Advisor Disagreed About Decision To Invade--But Says No One Lied--The Intel Was UNANIMOUS That Saddam Had WMD"

"The U.S. intelligence community's belief that Saddam was aggressively pursuing weapons of mass destruction pre-dated Bush's inauguration, and therefore cannot be attributed to political pressure. It was first advanced at the end of the 1990s, at a time when President Bill Clinton was trying to facilitate a peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians and was hardly seeking assessments that the threat from Iraq was growing."



"Other nations' intelligence services were similarly aligned with U.S. views. Somewhat remarkably, given how adamantly Germany would oppose the war, the German Federal Intelligence Service held the bleakest view of all, arguing that Iraq might be able to build a nuclear weapon within three years. Israel, Russia, Britain, China, and even France held positions similar to that of the United States; France's President Jacques Chirac told Time magazine last February, "There is a problem—the probable possession of weapons of mass destruction by an uncontrollable country, Iraq. The international community is right ... in having decided Iraq should be disarmed." In sum, no one doubted that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction."



http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/01/spies-lies-and-weapons-what-went-wrong/302878/

"Tony Blair Remain Unrepentant--World Is Better Off As A Result Of Iraq War"

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36733979

"And, Yes, We WERE Greeted As Liberators!!!"

http://youtu.be/10ysMsrCV2Qh
5   Bd6r   2018 Dec 4, 12:07pm  

Strategist says
The democrats, including Hillary Clinton, voted for the war.

SOME democrats, including HRC. Most of House D's voted against
6   Bd6r   2018 Dec 4, 12:10pm  

CovfefeButDeadly says

"It's A 'Lie' That Bush Lied About Iraq And WMD"


The former secretary of state, Colin L. Powell, says in a television interview to be broadcast Friday that his 2003 speech to the United Nations, in which he gave a detailed description of Iraqi weapons programs that turned out not to exist, was "painful" for him personally and would be a permanent "blot" on his record.

"I'm the one who presented it on behalf of the United States to the world," Mr. Powell told Barbara Walters of ABC News, adding that the presentation "will always be a part of my record."

Asked by Ms. Walters how painful this was for him, Mr. Powell replied: "It was painful. It's painful now." Asked further how he felt upon learning that he had been misled about the accuracy of intelligence on which he relied, Mr. Powell said, "Terrible." He added that it was "devastating" to learn later that some intelligence agents knew the information he had was unreliable but did not speak up.

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/politics/powell-calls-his-un-speech-a-lasting-blot-on-his-record.html
7   Bd6r   2018 Dec 4, 12:12pm  

I fail to see why US has to involve itself in defending borders of Saudi Barbaria, which is the country that had to be invaded after 9/11.
8   Strategist   2018 Dec 4, 12:20pm  

d6rB says


It was an overwhelming vote to attack Iraq. If Bush lied, they all lied including including Hillary. I agree Desert Storm was a screw up in hindsight, but to blame Bush for lying and all the other conspiracy theories that followed is ridiculous.
9   Bd6r   2018 Dec 4, 12:27pm  

Strategist says
It was an overwhelming vote to attack Iraq. If Bush lied, they all lied including including Hillary. I agree Desert Storm was a screw up in hindsight, but to blame Bush for lying and all the other conspiracy theories that followed is ridiculous.

May be I read you wrong. First Iraq war was not based on a lie (as no one can deny occupation of Kuwait), but second most definitely was - even Powell admits that.
10   RWSGFY   2018 Dec 4, 12:27pm  

What lies? Fucking Saddam tried to fucking annex a sovereign country and was beaten back. It's fucking cut and dry: it's not kosher to annex other sovereign countries (or their parts). Yes, some fuckers do temporarily get away with it (because nukes), but the case for punishing Saddam didn't require any lies or any additional speculation as to what he might do next - he did enough already to deserve the smackdown he received.
11   curious2   2018 Dec 8, 7:13pm  

d6rB says
First Iraq war was


"The First Iraq War Was Also Sold to the Public Based on a Pack of Lies"

The issue was debated extensively in the 1992 Presidential campaign. Ross Perot pointed to the reported meeting between US Ambassador April Glaspie and Saddam Hussein, and PBS broadcast an excerpt from a US State Department press conference in which a State Department official said the U.S. had no vested interest in Kuwait. The Bush 41 administration misled Saddam Hussein to believe he could invade Kuwait without American repercussions, then used the invasion to launch a war and occupy the region ("no fly zones" in Iraq, bases in KSA).

The word "lie" raises, however, a particular issue. Some people use the word "lie" to mean making false statements. In fact, it means knowingly making false statements. The trouble with the W administration especially, and probably with many presidents, is they can believe what they want to believe. They tend to be religious, and W claimed he listened to "a higher father" on Iraq. Such people look at ambiguous data, believe what they want to believe, and act accordingly. They don't need to lie.
12   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Dec 8, 7:38pm  

curious2 says
PBS broadcast an excerpt from a US State Department press conference in which a State Department official said the U.S. had no vested interest in Kuwait.

This. The context of the issue was Kuwait's side drilling into Iraq, which Saddam was too busy during the Iran-Iraq war to challenge then. He did have a ton of debt to pay off.


curious2 says
The word "lie" raises, however, a particular issue. Some people use the word "lie" to mean making false statements. In fact, it means knowingly making false statements. The trouble with the W administration especially, and probably with many presidents, is they can believe what they want to believe.


It's also possible it was miscommunication.

Saddam took as permission to "Punish" Kuwait by invading the entirety of it.

It's likely (IMHO) that State figured that Saddam was going to side drill right back at Kuwait, or maybe seize an oil rig suspected of side drilling, or sabotage one, not invade the entire country.
13   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Dec 8, 7:39pm  

DASKAA says
but the case for punishing Saddam didn't require any lies or any additional speculation as to what he might do next - he did enough already to deserve the smackdown he received.


Saddam also then invaded Saudi Arabia, as I recall, before the invasion of Iraq began.
14   Automan Empire   2018 Dec 8, 7:43pm  

Strategist says
The second Iraq war was a mistake in hindsight only. The democrats, including Hillary Clinton, voted for the war.


No, and I don't appreciate that falsehood being attributed to Democrats. We (I being more "democrat" at the time) were suspicious of the claims BUT put national security first and took the Bush administration at their word. Later it was proven that we were correct all along, so was everyone else the right slandered and reviled, from France to The Dixie Chicks.
15   curious2   2018 Dec 8, 7:49pm  

Automan Empire says
Strategist says
The second Iraq war was a mistake in hindsight only. The democrats, including Hillary Clinton, voted for the war.


No, and I don't appreciate that falsehood being attributed to Democrats.


Hillary Clinton had been a Goldwater Republican, but by 2016 she became the Democratic nominee for President. She voted for the Iraq war at the behest of her Saudi clients. She had access to essentially the same intelligence the W administration had, and she was definitely aware of the diversity of opinion on the topic. She voted for war at every opportunity. See also Hillary's War, which President Obama called the worst mistake of his administration. From her POV, Hillary's War wasn't a mistake: it prevented Libya from selling oil and gas to Europe, thus eliminating competition for her Saudi clients. Iraqi and Libyan production have never recovered from the wars that Hillary helped launch, and the Saudis like it that way.
16   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2018 Dec 8, 8:14pm  

First war was not based on lies. That article is just liberal propaganda, hating on America.
17   Strategist   2018 Dec 9, 8:12am  

HEYYOU says
If it's not the truth,it's a lie.
Iraq did NOT have WMD.


Here is the truth......North Korea has nukes because Obama let them have nukes.
If mistakes are made, I would want them to be made on the side of safety.
18   RC2006   2018 Dec 9, 8:30am  

I think the whole Iraq deal was planed long before. Remember the ominous shows about Sadam Hussein and Iraq durring the 90s, they were really pushing him towards being worse than NK after we stopped supporting him.

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