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Quigley says

If you have a fucking solution, I’d like to hear it! And it had better be good, because you know on this site it will be critiqued.

Trump is following the best possible plan. 1st) cut taxes and let the economy roar 2) push to end wars 3) cut unnecessary waste.

Trump has a lot of work to do on part 3. Maybe stop trying to commit treason and let the man work?

Instead of calling him racist, remind him to decrease govt spending. OR just sit there and scream racist while trying to negate the democratic process all in the name of team game politics.

CovfefeButDeadly says

some people so delusional that despite what the numbers show and despite what we can empirically measure, they think the US economy is doing poorly.

marcus says

Also, if the economy is "booming" why is the 2018 deficit is barely less than deficits when the recession was at it's worst ?

Yep.

marcus says

Why is it that when you look at all the graphs it just looks like a continuation of all the 6 year trends that Obama established ?

Also, if the economy is "booming" why is the 2018 deficit is barely less than deficits when the recession was at it's worst ?

I get it that republicans don't worry about deficits when republicans are President, but this is by far the most unprecedented aspect of our current economy.

I wonder why the scariest objective fact of them all doesn't bother you at all ?

These all are valid points...deficit will not matter until it matters a lot and we are in a depression.

Quigley says

If you have a fucking solution, I’d like to hear it!

Balanced budget amendment...not that it will ever happen.

CBOEtrader says

Trump is following the best possible plan. 1st) cut taxes and let the economy roar 2) push to end wars 3) cut unnecessary waste.

He is raising military spending, which goes contrary to #2.

“Rasmussen was one of the most accurate pollsters of the 2016 presidential election.“

Try using news sources that aren’t fake.

I guess if you have a right wing media machine in place that's ready to blame the guy who's in office when the remifications of Trumps tax policies hit, then why not ? Let the good times roll !! Put it all on the credit card.

Patrick says

Trump has brought us much greater peace and prosperity than any other president in decades

Quoting the guy who says "debt is slavery."

Might was well blame the guy who has to figure out how to deal with the consequences (sure to be a democrat).

I can hear them now: "aww you guys are always blaming the previous guy for your President's ineptness."

marcus says

Quoting the guy who says "debt is slavery."

Debt is slavery for entities that don't control the printing presses of the world's reserve currency. We hit ~100% of GDP under Obama, not Trump.

HonkpilledMaster says

We hit ~100% of GDP under Obama, not Trump

Yes. What was happening with our econoy in late 2008 through mid 2010 ?

Yeah yeah, I know. TYpical liberal blame the economy coming in, by citing obvious facts.

Running a trillion dollar deficit in 2009 or 2010 is a world of difference to running a trillion dollar deficit in 2018.

marcus says

Might was well blame the guy who has to figure out how to deal with the consequences (sure to be a democrat).

SO we agree on something

Run the deficit up up up, and then put a socialist in there right before the whole thing breaks, and saqy "see, I told you socialism doesn't work."

OF course in this case socilism means things like publicly funded health care and education.

marcus says

Run the deficit up up up, and then put a socialist in there right before the whole thing breaks, and saqy "see, I told you socialism doesn't work."

There was no talk of deficits when Obama introduced Socialized Private Mandatory Health Insurance, or Shovel-ready programs that weren't shovel ready.

The Media began to talk of Deficits literally the day Trump won the Presidency,

HonkpilledMaster says

There was no talk of deficits when Obama introduced Socialized Private Mandatory Health Insurance, or Shovel-ready programs that weren't shovel ready.

Total BS. THere was plenty of talk about deficits. The ddults were in charge back then. Obama would have done more in the way of stimulus but for concern about deficits.

To me the economics discussion back then felt nonpartisan compared to now. We were in the midst of what people thought might be great depression 2.0. It was discussed plenty, becasue of the deficit hawks.

The amazing thing is those deficit hawks were nowhere to be found when Trump wanted to blow up the deficit with tax gifts to the wealthy and corporations. And yes, of course many democrats point out the hypocrisy, and that this is the cost of our current economy.

To say the media talks about it a lot is a joke. It's not talked about nearly to the extent it should be.

marcus says

The ddults were in charge back then.

It's spelled dolts and yes they were.

So predictable. Perhaps time for another Michelle is a dude meme ? Or maybe something stupid that AOC didn't even say ?

marcus says

Total BS. THere was plenty of talk about deficits. The ddults were in charge back then. Obama would have done more in the way of stimulus but for concern about deficits.

Nope.

"Now and Later" - NYT Chief Economy OpEd Writer, Paul Krugman, urging big deficit spending and screaming at Republicans to get out of the way in 2010
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/21/opinion/21krugman.html

"Deficits Matter Again" - NYT Chief Economy OpEd Writer, Paul Krugman, just after Trump wins.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/09/opinion/deficits-matter-again.html

Yet before Trump won, in May of 2016, when it was "Inevitable" that Hillary would win, he wrote that Deficits were unimportant and Public Spending should not only continue but expand:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/23/opinion/remembrance-of-booms-past.html

And there's plenty more examples here:
https://lara-murphy.com/krugmans-case-deficits-flip-flopped-eight-weeks/

Krugman and the Demo Talking heads are 110% Deficit Doves when the Dems are in Power. But scream bloody murder when Republicans plot a tax cut, citing Deficits.

HonkpilledMaster says

Krugman and the Demo Talking heads are 110% Deficit Doves when the Dems are in Power

Funny, I didn't think it was democrats.

I thought it was just smart people that understood the difference between deficit spending when in recession/depression (when it's actually 100% unfuckingavoidable becasue govt spending is already set and revenues are dropping hard), versus tax cut induced deficit spending when the economy is supposedly strong for reasons other than the tax cuts.

marcus says

I thought it was just smart people that understood the difference between deficit spending when in recession/depression (when it's actually 100% unfuckingavoidable becasue govt spending is already set and revenues are dropping hard), versus tax cut induced deficit spending when the economy is supposedly strong for reasons other than the tax cuts.

If you read my post, I don't understand how you missed Krugman in mid 2016, when Hillary was considered by almost every talking head to be the inevitable occupant of the White House, preparing the ground for her Presidency by insisting the Deficits continue.

He made repeated remarks in 2016 to this effect.

Only as 2017 began, days before Trump entered the White House, did he start opining about Budget Deficits and why we can't afford a tax cut.

Links in my post above.

Yes, we could have used more deficit spending under Obama to get the economy back up and people working again. I feel the same applies today. I don't think the economy is particularly strong, and the median household's net wealth is far below where it stood in 2007. I'm all for infrastructure spending on the credit card. The bond market seems to be clamoring for more federal spending with long term rates dropping so much recently.

marcus says

unfuckingavoidable becasue

There is help for that.

Best inauguration speech ever!!!

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

FUCKING! COMMIE! CUNTS!

Spending? Regulation? CRIMES! AGAINST! FREEDOM!

GM SHOULD HAVE BEEN SOLD TO THE FUCKING CHINESE FOR CENTS ON THE DOLLAR! THE FUCKING PRC WOULD HAVE ROLLED THE FUCKING TANKS AND THE FUCKING UNIONS WOULD BE FUCKING RED RUNNY FUCKING PASTE, EXACTLY AS THE FUCKING FOUNDING FUCKING FATHERS COMMANDED!

AMERICA! WON'T BE FREE UNTIL THE LAST BANK EXAMINER IS SHOT IN THE FACE AND GIVEN TO ANTHONY MOZILO AND CHARLES KEATING TO FUCK THE EXIT WOUNDS, EXACTLY AS THE FOUNDING FATHERS COMMANDED.

DIE! COMMIE! CUNTS!, FUCKING! DIE!

Hausmeister T says

Time now to unvote the bankrupt conman. He got the job done for Putin and destroyed the country. Time to rebuild starts in Novemba once the Trumpvirus is gone.

Under Joe Biden, hahahaha

"You know, it's great here being in Washington State"
"Mr. President, we're in DC."
"Hey, you Fat, Push Ups fat, you dog gobbling pony soldier"

Hausmeister T says

We need a real leader now

Who you votin' for, Biden?

Onvacation says

Hausmeister T says

We need a real leader now

Who you votin' for, Biden?

No one is. He won't be the nominee. Not tin foil hat stuff, but I think as part of this shut down the DNC is doing governor job interviews for POTUS. One of these aggressive governors is going to take Biden's spot once his medical records come out. DNC knows there is no way that dude (Biden) can beat Trump. Even if we enter a depression. They won't admit it, but Hillary falling down getting into the van was a factor in losing voters in the states she need to win. Fly over country people don't like weakness. Sure it's a stereotype, but it's mostly true.

The Dem primary field was an embarrassment of humanity. I've voted for Democrats at local and national levels. Whatever month they decide to hold the convention, it won't be Biden making the grand speech.... because he actually can't speak coherently. Haven't done enough research, but right now I think Cuomo and Pritzker are jockeying for position. I still don't think Bloomberg is out given his half billion dollar dump, much of it to his own businesses.

I'll probably be wrong, so everyone make sure to call me out when that happens.

No one is. He won't be the nominee.

Seems that way. But one strategy may be that Biden selects a female VP, with the idea that soon after the election is won, Biden steps down and we have the first woman, maybe even first woman of color, President. Thus, Biden is the nominee but the Dems campaign with heavy emphasis on his VP.

I think my penis has gotten larger under the Trump presidency.
#MAGA

HeadSet says

No one is. He won't be the nominee.

Seems that way. But one strategy may be that Biden selects a female VP, with the idea that soon after the election is won, Biden steps down and we have the first woman, maybe even first woman of color, President. Thus, Biden is the nominee but the Dems campaign with heavy emphasis on his VP.

Although that would put a MAJOR asterisk next to Kamala's name as prez.

He’s really getting things done in pandemic. Really smart business savvy guy.

WookieMan says

I'll probably be wrong, so everyone make sure to call me out when that happens.

I think you'll be right.

I'd only add the shennanigans are just beginning. Huge push for no-standards mail-in ballots, and possibly a virtual convention using Coronavirus excuses. The former for November, the latter to have insiders pick the Nominee. Natch, the Media will cover and extol both of those tactics without a hint of criticism, which will be characterized as "insane" and "irresponsible".

#MarkMyWords