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4D Chess in action: Syria edition


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2019 Oct 7, 9:19pm   660 views  45 comments

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1   mell   2019 Oct 8, 12:15am  

I'm surprised to see this statement from Omar. She should be happy that Erdogan who is closer to Islam gets his way. It's a difficult decision but goes with non interventionism and is only logical since the US has never been attacked by Turkey or threatened. Also this was a concession to Erdogan for buffering Europe with a large area for resettlement of refugees. There are no easy answers but it's possible this could work out. Erdogan has been blackmailing the West for a while now threatening to open the flood gates otherwise and frankly if I were to take in millions of rapefugees I'd want huge payback as well. Despite Erdogan being a dicktator Turkey is functioning relatively well and has managed to stay both religious and worldly at the same time. An acquaintance has been living there for years now and apparently has a great time, working remotely and making a US salary and having a lush and surprisingly safe life in Istanbul. The country side may be a different, but maybe this move will better relations. Erdogan is not stupid and knows radical Islam would destroy his country instantly, so let's see how it plays out. Ultimately it's bordering Europe and the European military should take action if necessary and not relay on the US world police. Those times are gone thanks to Trump.
2   SunnyvaleCA   2019 Oct 9, 5:37pm  

Trump just has to declare is love of oxygen and millions of TDS sufferers will die because they will absolutely refuse to breathe!
3   richwicks   2019 Oct 9, 5:39pm  

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ihan Omar are both suspected as being CIA cutouts - essentially actresses. They'll say whatever bullshit they are told to day.

Also, regardless of their corruption, they will never face prosecution.

Why are these two, junior, congresswomen always promoted to the front of the "news" anyhow? Anybody ever wonder about that?
4   RWSGFY   2019 Oct 9, 6:03pm  

richwicks says
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ihan Omar are both suspected as being CIA cutouts


Nice try: CIA is prohibited from operating on US soil.
5   richwicks   2019 Oct 9, 6:31pm  

Arm_HK_now says
Nice try: CIA is prohibited from operating on US soil.


HAHAHAHA!

You believe the CIA follows laws. That's cute that people can be so innocent.
6   RWSGFY   2019 Oct 9, 6:45pm  

richwicks says
Arm_HK_now says
Nice try: CIA is prohibited from operating on US soil.


HAHAHAHA!

You believe the CIA follows laws. That's cute that people can be so innocent.


I know, it's hard to believe the whole world is not like fucking Mother Russia. I'm sympathetic to your plight. Is it at least above freezing today in Olgino? I prescribe 2 liters of vodka, taken orally. Stay warm, Comrade! We need our daily dose of enterntainment.
7   Misc   2019 Oct 10, 12:21am  

Let's see...Turkey is a NATO member. All previous presidents have touted that NATO is our #1 alliance. Turkey states that there are Terrorists operating from Syria trying to destabilize parts of Turkey. Trump is following precedence by supporting a member of NATO.
8   Ceffer   2019 Oct 10, 12:29am  

Arm_HK_now says
Nice try: CIA is prohibited from operating on US soil.



HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa! GAsp, Splutter, Spit.

Comic relief is always welcome on Patnet.
11   clambo   2019 Oct 10, 9:03am  

Do you mean that now that we have a president who is trying to end our involvement in endless wars he's wrong?

Who gives a flying fuck what that foreign refugee Omar thinks?

If a mistake is made, at least Americans won't be dying will they?
12   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Oct 10, 9:37am  

All We are sayyyyyyin'
Is give war with a NATO member a chance.

Liberals 1960-2008: Get us out of the Wars!
Liberals 2008-2016: What Wars?
Liberals 2016- : Give War a Chance!
13   Bd6r   2019 Oct 10, 9:43am  

I am not sure how well this 4D chess will work out. Kurds just released all their ISIS prisoners. Expect BOOM in many European countries and perhaps also in US of A.
14   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Oct 10, 9:46am  

6rdB says
I am not sure how well this 4D chess will work out. Kurds just released all their ISIS prisoners. Expect BOOM in many European countries and perhaps also in US of A.


Maybe they were threatening to do so for money the whole time.

Looks like France and Germany might have to initiate a draft and deploy.
15   Bd6r   2019 Oct 10, 10:09am  

NoCoupForYou says
Maybe they were threatening to do so for money the whole time.

i believe reason is different - they threatened this to deter Turkish attacks...West did not prevent Turks...so Kurds went ahead with released. Rational behavior from their perspective.
16   Chiromancer   2019 Oct 10, 11:31am  

How can a 1 dimensional brain play 4 dimensional chess?

Nobody except a few neo cons wants to be in Syria. Its a cesspool. But the bottom line is simple: Trump and Trump alone fucked the Kurds, and Trump and Trump alone is responsible for the results of his unconscionable action of betrayal. What Trump got for it is unknown but its pretty certain he got something, Trump doesn't do something for nothing.
17   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Oct 10, 11:42am  

Chiromancer says
Nobody except a few neo cons wants to be in Syria. Its a cesspool. But the bottom line is simple: Trump and Trump alone fucked the Kurds, and Trump and Trump alone is responsible for the results of his unconscionable action of betrayal. What Trump got for it is unknown but its pretty certain he got something, Trump doesn't do something for nothing.


How did ISIS end up in control of half of Iraq and Syria in the first place? Oh yeah, Obama rushed out of Iraq.

Then he was dismissive of the threat. The US didn't begin bombing for months after the threat had already exploded. And then Obama was dropping leaflets to warn ISIS they were going to bomb.

"JV Team!"
18   Chiromancer   2019 Oct 10, 1:05pm  

NoCoupForYou says
Obama rushed out of Iraq.


Therefore Trump can Fuck the Kurds? It's always someone else's fault. This is all Trump
19   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Oct 10, 1:16pm  

Chiromancer says
Therefore Trump can Fuck the Kurds? It's always someone else's fault. This is all Trump


Obama let Mosul get overrun.

Democrats are now the party of massive foreign intervention.

Whereas Trump is Promises Made, Promises Kept.
20   WookieMan   2019 Oct 10, 2:51pm  

Chiromancer says
Nobody except a few neo cons wants to be in Syria. Its a cesspool. But the bottom line is simple: Trump and Trump alone fucked the Kurds, and Trump and Trump alone is responsible for the results of his unconscionable action of betrayal. What Trump got for it is unknown but its pretty certain he got something, Trump doesn't do something for nothing.

Who fucking cares? What have the kurds done for anyone outside of misspelling curd, as in Wisconsin cheese curd? These people are going to kill each other forever until they realize their religion is the definition of retardation. Call them good or bad retards, it doesn't change much... Let them fight and civil war themselves to death and then we can swoop in and take the assets at a later date instead of paying for it now.
21   Y   2019 Oct 10, 2:55pm  

who would ever know?
Arm_HK_now says
Nice try: CIA is prohibited from operating on US soil.
22   Y   2019 Oct 10, 2:58pm  

It's 17D
4D is for press consumption...
6rdB says
I am not sure how well this 4D chess will work out.
23   Y   2019 Oct 10, 3:01pm  

Easy, water down the game plan with 90% libby press trolling....

Chiromancer says
How can a 17 dimensional brain play 4 dimensional chess?
24   Chiromancer   2019 Oct 10, 5:22pm  

WookieMan says

Who fucking cares? What have the kurds done for anyone outside of misspelling curd

Well they fought ISIS lost over 10,000 fighters ( to our 6 ) but yeah fuck them sideways, where were they when we landed at Normandy. And they didn't investigate Biden, totally wothless let the Turks have at it. MAGA
25   WookieMan   2019 Oct 10, 8:32pm  

Chiromancer says
WookieMan says

Who fucking cares? What have the kurds done for anyone outside of misspelling curd

Well they fought ISIS lost over 10,000 fighters ( to our 6 ) but yeah fuck them sideways, where were they when we landed at Normandy. And they didn't investigate Biden, totally wothless let the Turks have at it. MAGA

Not sure what my comment had to do with Trump? We've made mistakes getting involved in all sorts of shit over there. But I give zero shits about 10k Kurds or 100k. It's like Lutheran's killing Baptist's. It's retarded, hence why it doesn't happen in a civilized place. I presume you were all for our involvement in Syria then? That's not a good position to be standing in....
26   richwicks   2019 Oct 10, 10:41pm  

Arm_HK_now says
richwicks says
Arm_HK_now says
Nice try: CIA is prohibited from operating on US soil.


HAHAHAHA!

You believe the CIA follows laws. That's cute that people can be so innocent.


I know, it's hard to believe the whole world is not like fucking Mother Russia.


Dude, the USA is more like the Soviet Union today than Russia is. Ironically, Russia is more like 1940's America than America is. They have a great future, and I WISH I spoke Russian. Not too late to learn it.

The one good thing about the old USSR (and the modern Russia) is they had great education in sciences. They have some of the best coders in the world, and you know what chip design is today? It's coding, VLSI and HDML. What with stupid Silicon Valley allowing the NSA to backdoor everything, they are going to have no competition in the world for chips in 20 years. I expect they will adopt RISC-V. It's a superior architecture of x86 (what isn't?) and is scalable from a toy up to a supercomputer. There's reluctance to adopt it though because it's an open architecture.

Americans let their government go totalitarian, this is what you fucking get, you stupid assholes. You're allowing your government to isolate you. Russians learned their lesson. But you can keep screaming that everybody warning you about this obvious mistake is a Russian, thinking the soviets still exist. Cold War is over and I'll be goddamned before I sit idly by to let the MIC restart it. They already consume 1/3rd of all tax revenue on bullshit.

If the American government gave a crap about their people, they would drop their alliances with Europe and forge them with Russia. After all, they are a blossoming democratic system that has economic expansion year after year. Too bad our criminal government doesn't give a fuck, and is instead cozyng up to China, a totalitarian, dictatorial, communist nation. They're the enemy, you idgit. Obama really was the Manchurian candidate, I would guess Bush Jr. as well. Scumbags.
27   rdm   2019 Oct 10, 10:52pm  

richwicks says
, they are a blossoming democratic system that has economic expansion year after yea


You are joking right? You got this from the onion right? cause otherwise why not just live there? or likely you already do.
28   richwicks   2019 Oct 10, 11:05pm  

rdm says
richwicks says
, they are a blossoming democratic system that has economic expansion year after yea


You are joking right? You got this from the onion right? cause otherwise why not just live there? or likely you already do.


No, I'm not. I'm nearly 50, and I said, I had family on the other side of the Iron Curtain. I have second and first hand information as to what it was truly like, and we are certainly going in that direction.

40 years ago, if you complained about the government in a Soviet nation, you disappeared. I remember what Samizdat was. What Solidarity was, what Perestroika was.

The west claims that Putin kills journalists. Where is Assange right now? Where is Snowden right now? Where is Manning right now? You are probably blissfully unaware of what the Downing Street Memos were, and you probably don't remember the US (repeated) bombings of Al Jazeera.

This nation is seriously far closer to the USSR than Russia is right now. Perhaps you're just not old enough to know what this nation used to be or what the USSR was. We were once a great nation, and we will be again, even if we have to go through puppets like you, but we have to clean out our bureaucracy to do it and our predator defense contractors, and our central bank. We'll do it. We truly have the ability to be the best nation on the planet, but we have a lot of work to do to clean out the chaff.

Until then, we have to deal with useful idiots like you trying to restart the Cold War for the MIC either though ignorance, or desperation for a propaganda job. It pays, right?
29   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Oct 10, 11:06pm  

Considering that Russia is definitely underdeveloped compared to the US or Europe, and packed with resources from Gold to Oil, this is not vibrant Growth.



Their demographic crisis is normalizing, but that has a lot to do with former Central Asian and Caucasian Mountain SSR peeps moving to European Russia for jobs. Most are beer drinking Sovietized Muslims, but some are not...
30   richwicks   2019 Oct 10, 11:19pm  

NoCoupForYou says
Considering that Russia is definitely underdeveloped compared to the US or Europe, this is not vibrant Growth.



Their demographic crisis is normalizing, but that has a lot to do with former Central Asian and Caucasian Mountain SSR peeps moving to European Russia for jobs. Most are beer drinking Sovietized Muslims, but some are not...


I have to ask, what is the chart measuring? Change of WHAT? The left side of the scale is just numbers, what percentage is it measuring? It's a meaningless graph, it reminds me of the garbage that would show up on Zerohedge that would claim "this graph needs no explanation" when it goddamned needed explanation. I got banned from Zerohedge when I started to point that out, and never, once, did I get a response.

What does it measure? Birth rate? GDP? Suicide rate? "'Growth" (how is that determined)? Immigration? IQ scores for 15 year olds? How is it measured? Who collected the data? Just another BS graph not tied to any metric that can be independently validated. That's the popular propaganda in the US today "they worse, we better! See Graph proves it!!!!"

This is the kind of bullshit that Pravda and Izvestia put out in 1985.
31   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Oct 10, 11:24pm  

Dude, it's the GDP growth rate. I didn't get it in the screenshot, but it's pretty obvious that's what it is by the percentage. Can't be unemployment since that doesn't go down in a worldwide recession.

Just like one knows that 2-0 is probably not a basketball or football game score.

Here is the screenshot with the title:



Looks to me like Russia's economy in the 2000s did little more than make up for the 90s collapse.
32   richwicks   2019 Oct 10, 11:30pm  

Chiromancer says
WookieMan says

Who fucking cares? What have the kurds done for anyone outside of misspelling curd

Well they fought ISIS lost over 10,000 fighters ( to our 6 ) but yeah fuck them sideways, where were they when we landed at Normandy. And they didn't investigate Biden, totally wothless let the Turks have at it. MAGA


Dude, ISIS was created by the United States. Why do you think they somehow magically ended up in the Philippines when Duterte was cozying up to the Chinese?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/09/world/asia/isis-philippines-jolo.html

What would the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant be doing in the Philippines???????? Funny how they end up in any place the US gubemint has a problem with, isn't it? I wonder when they will end up in Hong Kong? Well Duterte isn't going to be buying any Chinese weapons, now, so they disappeared. Wow, like magic. Who would have fucking thunk it? What a coincidence..

Move along, nothing to see here:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/5NNOrp_83RU
33   richwicks   2019 Oct 10, 11:41pm  

NoCoupForYou says
Dude, it's the GDP growth rate.


GDP is a measure of monetary turn over. If I pay you $1 dollar to mow my lawn, and you pay me $1 to cook your meal, that's $2 contributed to the GDP. It's a measure of interdependence, not economic growth.

Here, I'll make it worse. If I get cancer, and pay you $500,000 for treatment, and I die because your treatments were useless, then you purchase a nice home for $500,000 dollars, that's $1,000,000 in GDP. If your government spends 4 trillion dollars to bomb a 3rd world nation, that is 4 trillion dollars (at least) added to the GDP (of course the 4 trillion re-enters the economy in some way so more likely 8 trillion).

Shock of shocks, economic prosperity isn't a measure of monetary turn over. I think that's a very difficult thing to quantitatively measure. Hmm, try average square feet of living space. Ever seen what life was like under communist dictatorship? This Romanian will gladly show you with a laugh and a smile:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/a16btxOava8

That is how Russians lived in 1990. There are lies, damned lies, then statistics, then government lies, and finally government statistics. They have experienced tremendous growth in prosperity. A wealthy Russian might not be able to buy much in California, however, their lives have VASTLY improved. In 1970s all Chinese rode bicycles. They are moving up.
34   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Oct 10, 11:42pm  

richwicks says
What would the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant be doing in the Philippines????????


Because Mindanao and the Sulu Sea Islands have always been a haunt of vicious Muslim Pirates, unlike Luzon that was Christianized?
35   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Oct 10, 11:44pm  

richwicks says
GDP is a measure of monetary turn over. If I pay you $1 dollar to mow my lawn, and you pay me $1 to cook your meal, that's $2 contributed to the GDP. It's a measure of interdependence, not economic growth.


Yes, GDP is flawed. Not quite as bad as commodity money, but flawed. Did you know that vaunted silver backed currency was traded between US banks at steep discounts?

"I'm a butternut here to make my fortune in the East! I need to exchange this Ohio First Federal banknote, for $1 of Silver."
"Well, son, here in the year 1880 at First Boston, we don't do much business with First Federal in Ohio, so I'll take a risk and give you 75 cents for that $1 Ohio Silver Banknote"

And God forbid there were rumors of weakness at your bank. You'd be lucky to get a nickel on the dollar before it became wallpaper.

I posted a discount rate chart that was published daily in newspapers for how much banks would take from you for exchanging other banks' banknotes, usually related to distance and health of the bank, long ago. I'll see if I can dig it up again.

Here's the fraud list for all the counterfeit Wildcat Banknotes, as well as a description of legit ones and their discount rate from an actual government mint non-private company silver dollar, also published regularly:

36   richwicks   2019 Oct 11, 12:00am  

NoCoupForYou says

Yes, GDP is flawed. Not quite as bad as commodity money, but flawed. Did you know that vaunted silver backed currency was traded between US banks at steep discounts?

"I'm a butternut here to make my fortune in the East! I need to exchange this Ohio First Federal banknote, for $1 of Silver."
"Well, son, here in the year 1880 at First Boston, we don't do much business with First Federal in Ohio, so I'll take a risk and give you 75 cents for that $1 Ohio Silver Banknote"


Understandable, because there was risk. They could have instead carried gold with them, instead of a few hundred pounds of silver, but then there is the risk of theft.. It's not like there was instant communication then, and banks operated illegally back then, as they do now, today they have the protection of the government to break the law and make no mistake, there is much more risk today.

NoCoupForYou says
And God forbid there were rumors of weakness at your bank. You'd be lucky to get a nickel on the dollar before it became wallpaper.


Well that's why a train system was setup. Then you could just hop on the East West Rail and pick up your deposit, that is, if the bank didn't defraud their depositors.

NoCoupForYou says
I posted a discount rate chart for how much banks would take from you for exchanging other banks' banknotes, usually related to distance and health of the bank, long ago. I'll see if I can dig it up again.


No need.

Want me to post the value of the US debt in terms of gold and silver over the last 100 years? I can do that if you wish. If you ask, I'll have to remember to look up this post, and post it. Everybody thinks it's a bad trade, which is why it's such an amazingly good trade. May take another 15 years though.
37   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Oct 11, 12:11am  

richwicks says
Understandable, because there was risk


What's the Risk of a Modern Greenback? You ever in your life get paid on a Friday for a week's work, drive two states over, maybe from NJ to WV, and then before you could buy dinner and more gas, have to exchange your NJ dollar for an WV dollar, just to find they'll only give you 75 cents on it?

"Yeah, those $40 are only worth $30 here in Wheeling, buddy."

That would suck, to lose 25% of the value of your paycheck just to exchange one set of banknotes for another. And you didn't have to worry about memorizing upteen different kids of banknotes, to tell the fake from the real.

Government Greenbacks eliminated that risk. Thanks, US Government.

richwicks says
Want me to post the value of the US debt in terms of gold and silver over the last 100 years? I can do that if you wish. If you ask, I'll have to remember to look up this post, and post it. Everybody thinks it's a bad trade, which is why it's such an amazingly good trade. May take another 15 years though.


Yeah, Mises has been saying that since the 1970s. Why didn't fiat currency collapse in 2009?
38   richwicks   2019 Oct 11, 12:12am  

NoCoupForYou says
stuff....


Why you bastard you. OK, here's the national debt in terms of silver. Be aware that silver as price controlled until at least 1971:



Also I lied, I only have the data to 1976. I'll fix that in time. We are in abnormal times I think, but it's been abnormal for a while and may stay that way for a while. History does repeat when nobody pays attention to it. Silver will return to 1/20th an ounce of gold, if only briefly. When? Damn if I know. Maybe 30 years, but I suspect between tomorrow and 15.
39   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Oct 11, 12:13am  

Link - not being a dick, the dates are too small to read.

BTW, I like having some silver on me. I just don't want to go back to wildcat banking. If there were 100s of different banknotes in the 19th, imagine how many today? It'll make Blankcoin look sane.
40   richwicks   2019 Oct 11, 12:25am  

NoCoupForYou says
What's the Risk of a Modern Greenback?


This was before the "modern greenback". We didn't have a central banking system them. Dollar bills were promissory notes for an ounce of gold, which was legally defined to be 0.71 ounces of silver and 20 of them were roughly 1 ounce of gold. Each bank had a different promissory note.

NoCoupForYou says
You ever in your life get paid on a Friday for a week's work, drive two states over, maybe from NJ to WV, and then before you could buy dinner and more gas, have to exchange your NJ dollar for an WV dollar, just to find they'll only give you 75 cents on it?


You'd be stinking rich to be moving across states. Driving? What, by horse? That's like 5 miles an hour. TWO STATES? Jesus, did an explosion propel you there? What's GAS? You're feeding your horse wrong.

NoCoupForYou says
That would suck, to lose 25% of the value of your paycheck just to exchange one set of banknotes for another. And you didn't have to worry about memorizing upteen different kids of banknotes, to tell the fake from the real.

Government Greenbacks eliminated that risk. Thanks, US Government.


Yeah, then there was the 3rd central bank... What you now know as the Federal Reserve. We had greenbacks before then which standardized the coupon for actual money.

If you're under 40, you're almost certain to live to see the great betrayal by our central bank - it's betrayed us already but few people notice it. Our banking system is run by complete criminals, but you'll find out. This is how it always works, bank takes storage of deposits in gold and silver, bank loans out more coupons for the gold and silver thean they have, one day, enough depositors demand their bullion to be returned, banker leaves town bankrupt thanking god he's alive, or he's murdered if he's not quick enough to escape.

It's just a little more slow this time because of government protection. We always return to a bullion standard. Over and over and over again. Centuries of this. It is NEVER different "this time". Every person thinks they live in a new age, in the height of sophistication and technology. Heck, 300 years ago, there were gas lights on the street - how much more advanced can we become, we're in a new age..

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