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The decline and fall of football in America
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2019 Nov 8, 7:50pm 408 views 24 comments
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Ceffer
2019 Nov 8, 8:29pm
Ceffer
2019 Nov 8, 8:29pm
Maybe because parents have decided they don't want their kids brain damaged from an early age just for evanescent fake glory.
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Patrick
2019 Nov 9, 10:34am
Patrick
2019 Nov 9, 10:34am
Yes, @tovarichpeter it would be better if you could at least include a relevant quote from the article, for discussion.
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BayArea
2019 Nov 9, 11:03am
BayArea
2019 Nov 9, 11:03am
I played High School football all 4yrs in the Bay Area.
Positives:
- Everyone in school knows you.
- It launches you into a major social pipeline.
- Intense crash course on teamwork, above any other HS sport imho.
- There’s huge benefits for males to lift weights, get stronger, compete, go to combat together as a team.
- Girls are unquestionably attracted to the football players. Guys who don’t play unquestionably envy the football players.
- It gives some players an opportunity to continue education that they wouldn’t otherwise have the opportunity to.
Negatives:
- It’s very dangerous
- Injuries are frequent
- Future health effects aren’t fully understood
- Hazing does happen
With that said, if my son shows a desire to play, I will probably let him. But it does worry me and to be honest, I’d prefer that he pursues something else.
Positives:
- Everyone in school knows you.
- It launches you into a major social pipeline.
- Intense crash course on teamwork, above any other HS sport imho.
- There’s huge benefits for males to lift weights, get stronger, compete, go to combat together as a team.
- Girls are unquestionably attracted to the football players. Guys who don’t play unquestionably envy the football players.
- It gives some players an opportunity to continue education that they wouldn’t otherwise have the opportunity to.
Negatives:
- It’s very dangerous
- Injuries are frequent
- Future health effects aren’t fully understood
- Hazing does happen
With that said, if my son shows a desire to play, I will probably let him. But it does worry me and to be honest, I’d prefer that he pursues something else.
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tovarichpeter
2019 Nov 9, 11:17am
tovarichpeter
2019 Nov 9, 11:17am
Why has baseball never caught on as a high school and college sport?
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BayArea
2019 Nov 9, 11:22am
BayArea
2019 Nov 9, 11:22am
tovarichpeter says
Because it’s considered boring and the competition isn’t so physical.
Why has baseball never caught on as a high school and college sport?
Because it’s considered boring and the competition isn’t so physical.
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RC2006
2019 Nov 9, 11:29am
RC2006
2019 Nov 9, 11:29am
I'm not letting my kids play, not wasting all the hours put into kids education just to have his brain fucked up. One of my friends 10yo is huge kid got knocked out for 15min from tackle told her she was crazy for letting him keep going maybe its because they are black and it's a culture thing I just dont get i would never put my kids in that situation.
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WookieMan
2019 Nov 10, 6:15am
WookieMan
2019 Nov 10, 6:15am
RC2006 says
My district doesn't have football, but I'm in the same boat. We do golf in the fall here and that sport is exponentially more beneficial as an adult versus football. The whole team building thing is massively overrated as well. Yes you'll need help from others throughout your life, but if you cannot do something on your own, you're probably more fucked knowing how to work with a "team." Sports and the real world aren't the same.
I've had satisfying moments as a team player, but absolutely NOTHING can equate to either failing or winning as an individual. It teaches you exponentially more about life and yourself.
I'm not letting my kids play, not wasting all the hours put into kids education just to have his brain fucked up. One of my friends 10yo is huge kid got knocked out for 15min from tackle told her she was crazy for letting him keep going maybe its because they are black and it's a culture thing I just dont get i would never put my kids in that situation.
My district doesn't have football, but I'm in the same boat. We do golf in the fall here and that sport is exponentially more beneficial as an adult versus football. The whole team building thing is massively overrated as well. Yes you'll need help from others throughout your life, but if you cannot do something on your own, you're probably more fucked knowing how to work with a "team." Sports and the real world aren't the same.
I've had satisfying moments as a team player, but absolutely NOTHING can equate to either failing or winning as an individual. It teaches you exponentially more about life and yourself.
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ignoreme
2019 Nov 10, 6:35am
And your kid gets to play against this guy:
https://twitter.com/bustedcoverage/status/1192516417607872514?s=20
They need to do weight classes or something. No way someone this big should be playing against 12 year olds.
https://twitter.com/bustedcoverage/status/1192516417607872514?s=20
They need to do weight classes or something. No way someone this big should be playing against 12 year olds.
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Y
2019 Nov 10, 6:39am
Y
2019 Nov 10, 6:39am
Highest levels of testosterone during life.
Everyone wants to fight.
Not a good idea to popularize baseball during youth when bats are involved...
tovarichpeter says
Everyone wants to fight.
Not a good idea to popularize baseball during youth when bats are involved...
tovarichpeter says
Why has baseball never caught on as a high school and college sport?
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WookieMan
2019 Nov 10, 6:40am
WookieMan
2019 Nov 10, 6:40am
ignoreme says
That video is ridiculous. Lol. I think they are doing weight classes now, at least here in IL. My nephew plays and they have to weigh in an hour before each game (he's 8, ugh... fucking sister in law). Here I believe they'd move him up to like sized kids. Where he would then equally be destroyed because he doesn't have the coordination or intelligence of kids 2-3 years older.
They need to do weight classes or something. No way someone this big should be playing against 12 year olds.
That video is ridiculous. Lol. I think they are doing weight classes now, at least here in IL. My nephew plays and they have to weigh in an hour before each game (he's 8, ugh... fucking sister in law). Here I believe they'd move him up to like sized kids. Where he would then equally be destroyed because he doesn't have the coordination or intelligence of kids 2-3 years older.
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Y
2019 Nov 10, 6:42am
Y
2019 Nov 10, 6:42am
The takeaway if you fail at individual efforts is that it teaches you that you're fucked.
Hence, up sprung the villages...
WookieMan says
Hence, up sprung the villages...
WookieMan says
RC2006 saysI'm not letting my kids play, not wasting all the hours put into kids education just to have his brain fucked up. One of my friends 10yo is huge kid got knocked out for 15min from tackle told her she was crazy for letting him keep going maybe its because they are black and it's a culture thing I just dont get i would never put my kids in that situation.
My district doesn't have football, but I'm in the same boat. We do golf in the fall here and that sport is exponentially more beneficial as an adult versus football. The whole team building thing is massively overrated as well. Yes you'll need help from others throughout your life, but if you cannot do something on your own, you're probably more fucked knowing how to work with a "team." Sports and the real world aren't the same.
I've had satisfying moments as a team player, but absolutely NOTHING can equate to either failing or ...
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theoakman
2019 Nov 10, 6:54am
BayArea says
because the MLB pros play 150 games. NFL plays 18. There's more demand, less supply so college takes Saturday.
tovarichpeter saysWhy has baseball never caught on as a high school and college sport?
Because it’s considered boring and the competition isn’t so physical.
because the MLB pros play 150 games. NFL plays 18. There's more demand, less supply so college takes Saturday.
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Shaman
2019 Nov 10, 6:58am
Shaman
2019 Nov 10, 6:58am
My kid plays baseball (little league), and I coach. I think it’s a great game for kids. They might get hurt now and then, but it’s never anything serious that requires a doctor, and getting hit with a ball helps them to toughen up and guard themselves better next time!
My wife’s coworker’s son got a full ride to Columbia on a baseball scholarship, so it’s also a path to college, if you’re good enough. Very few traumatic brain injuries, especially since they wear batting helmets.
My wife’s coworker’s son got a full ride to Columbia on a baseball scholarship, so it’s also a path to college, if you’re good enough. Very few traumatic brain injuries, especially since they wear batting helmets.
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WookieMan
2019 Nov 10, 7:15am
WookieMan
2019 Nov 10, 7:15am
Quigley says
Not sure how you do it (coaching). My wife wants me to, but I'm like shit, this ends badly. My kids are 6 and 9. Parents are soooooooooooooooooooo fucking soft now. I'd be kicked out of any league I coach or I'd kick half the players off the team for being pussies and not have a team.
My kid plays baseball (little league), and I coach.
Not sure how you do it (coaching). My wife wants me to, but I'm like shit, this ends badly. My kids are 6 and 9. Parents are soooooooooooooooooooo fucking soft now. I'd be kicked out of any league I coach or I'd kick half the players off the team for being pussies and not have a team.
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Shaman
2019 Nov 10, 7:22am
Shaman
2019 Nov 10, 7:22am
WookieMan says
I’ve found that focusing on skill building, teamwork, and encouraging the kids to have fun during games is key to keeping everyone’s attitude correct. Getting all hung up on winning is where coaches go wrong, leads to tears every time.
The secret is... if you work on the above, and the kids are having fun playing the game, they’ll play much better and you’ll win plenty of games anyway. I switch everyone around to most positions... only pitcher and catcher are specialty positions where if they want to play them, the boys have to develop those skills first in practice or on their own. And my batting line up takes heavy consideration on whether they take some swings or just watch the ball go by in hopes of a walk. Walkers go to the bottom.
Quigley saysMy kid plays baseball (little league), and I coach.
Not sure how you do it (coaching). My wife wants me to, but I'm like shit, this ends badly. My kids are 6 and 9. Parents are soooooooooooooooooooo fucking soft now. I'd be kicked out of any league I coach or I'd kick half the players off the team for being pussies and not have a team.
I’ve found that focusing on skill building, teamwork, and encouraging the kids to have fun during games is key to keeping everyone’s attitude correct. Getting all hung up on winning is where coaches go wrong, leads to tears every time.
The secret is... if you work on the above, and the kids are having fun playing the game, they’ll play much better and you’ll win plenty of games anyway. I switch everyone around to most positions... only pitcher and catcher are specialty positions where if they want to play them, the boys have to develop those skills first in practice or on their own. And my batting line up takes heavy consideration on whether they take some swings or just watch the ball go by in hopes of a walk. Walkers go to the bottom.
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RC2006
2019 Nov 10, 7:35am
RC2006
2019 Nov 10, 7:35am
BlueSardine says
The takeaway if you fail at individual efforts is that it teaches you that you're fucked.
Hence, up sprung the villages...
WookieMan saysRC2006 saysI'm not letting my kids play, not wasting all the hours put into kids education just to have his brain fucked up. One of my friends 10yo is huge kid got knocked out for 15min from tackle told her she was crazy for letting him keep going maybe its because they are black and it's a culture thing I just dont get i would never put my kids in that situation.
My district doesn't have football, but I'm in the same boat. We do golf in the fall here and that sport is exponentially more beneficial as an adult versus football. The whole team building thing is massively overrated as well. Yes you'll need help from others throughout your life, but if you cannot do something on your own, y...
Only sport my kids really like is swim and thats what they have been doing since each turned 6 and oldest is in life guard program now. Oldest has said he wants to get into track and field. We all have been talking about getting into golf but I don't even know where to begin I guess I just need to call some golf courses.
Another problem that I have is time I just don't have enough for multiple kids to be in multiple sports.
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B.A.C.A.H.
2019 Nov 10, 9:23am
B.A.C.A.H.
2019 Nov 10, 9:23am
I could not read the article because of the paywall.
We're not minting enough young football aficionados. Good thing for that, too as it's too dangerous. Plenty of other safer sports for our youth.
It seems like there's an even more precipitous decline in interest for baseball.
Basketball, soccer: that's the future.
We're not minting enough young football aficionados. Good thing for that, too as it's too dangerous. Plenty of other safer sports for our youth.
It seems like there's an even more precipitous decline in interest for baseball.
Basketball, soccer: that's the future.
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Tenpoundbass
2019 Nov 10, 9:41am
Tenpoundbass
2019 Nov 10, 9:41am
This is all the plan, because America didn't embrace Commie Ball.
They think by disrespecting our flag we'll learn to embrace Commie Ball. I think Americans will loath it even more.
They can shove FIFA along with the NFL, NBA and MLB up their asses we're done with it.
They think by disrespecting our flag we'll learn to embrace Commie Ball. I think Americans will loath it even more.
They can shove FIFA along with the NFL, NBA and MLB up their asses we're done with it.
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SunnyvaleCA
2019 Nov 10, 9:54pm
BayArea says
The long-term benefits of playing football are winner-take-all and all-or-nothing. Kids that take it seriously spend a lot of time in high school and college. If they don't make it into the professional league, they are left with 8 to 10 years of chasing a dream that comes abruptly to a dead end.
Other sports are able to be played more casually, with less equipment, in smaller groups, and at older ages. Other sports are far less likely to cause life-changing injuries.
Around here, it looks like cricket is the up-and-coming sport.
Negatives:
The long-term benefits of playing football are winner-take-all and all-or-nothing. Kids that take it seriously spend a lot of time in high school and college. If they don't make it into the professional league, they are left with 8 to 10 years of chasing a dream that comes abruptly to a dead end.
Other sports are able to be played more casually, with less equipment, in smaller groups, and at older ages. Other sports are far less likely to cause life-changing injuries.
Around here, it looks like cricket is the up-and-coming sport.
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BayArea
2019 Nov 11, 5:08am
BayArea
2019 Nov 11, 5:08am
SunnyvaleCA says
So true. Indian population in the Bay Area is out of control.
Around here, it looks like cricket is the up-and-coming sport.
So true. Indian population in the Bay Area is out of control.
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B.A.C.A.H.
2019 Nov 11, 6:38am
B.A.C.A.H.
2019 Nov 11, 6:38am
BayArea says
Not my cup of tea to go up to my eyeballs in debt with huge monthly servicing cost to live among.
So true. Indian population in the Bay Area is out of control.
Not my cup of tea to go up to my eyeballs in debt with huge monthly servicing cost to live among.
“Football remains far and away the country’s most popular sport. It garners huge television audiences every week, and more children play it than any other sport. But participation in youth leagues is dropping. Over the last decade, the number of high school boys playing tackle football — the heart and soul of the sport — has dropped more than 10 percent. The people who play the game are changing, too, with the number of white players diminishing as black and Hispanic players increasingly make up a larger plurality of the player pool.”