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Jesus did not meet Paul but Mohamed married Abu Bakr's 6 year old daughter (Aisha)


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2020 Mar 4, 2:57pm   1,417 views  19 comments

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Ok, so there you have it, the man (Abu Bakr) who with his star chamber of conquerors/murderers, spread the message of his grade school daughter's husband, Mohamed, onto the near east.

Abu Bakr was the first Caliphate of Babylon, starting a multi-century empire of Islam, ruled by a bunch of theocrats, out of the historic city of Babylon.

In contrast, Paul of Tarsus, never met the physical Jesus, outside of a vision of sorts, and spread the message of Christianity onto Anatolia and the rest of the Roman Empire during his life, achieving no actual political power over others.

So sure, you can pick bones with the Council of Nicaea, Emperor Constantine, Godfrey of Bouillon/Pope Urban II (of the Crusades), and a host of other religious douche-bags, but the originator (plus his 13th disciple) of the religion was not a psychotic warmonger.

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1   Shaman   2020 Mar 5, 7:03pm  

Politics is downstream from culture.
Jesus changed the culture forever.
There could have been no greater political impact.
2   Patrick   2020 Mar 5, 7:53pm  

Rin says
but the originator (plus his 13th disciple) of the religion was not a psychotic warmonger.


This is the core difference between Christianity and Islam.

Jesus didn't rob, rape, or kill anyone, and forgave the people who killed him.

Mohammed robbed caravans, raped the women, and killed their husbands or fathers. And then there's the pedophilia, and warmongering. And the murders of anyone who criticized him.

Christians try to imitate Jesus.

Muslims try to imitate Mohammed. And that's exactly why Islam is so fucked up.
3   Rin   2020 Mar 5, 8:00pm  

Patrick says
Jesus didn't rob, rape, or kill anyone, and forgave the people who killed him.


I'm going to say that Paul's behavior is even more important than that of Jesus, as no one would have heard of Jesus if it weren't for him.

If Paul was a slaughterer but then, whispered words of peace after a mass execution, saying that those eulogies were Jesus's phrases then I'd also associate him with psychopathy as that would indicate a type of split frame advocacy where while his intentions were supposedly good, the end justifies the means.


Patrick says
Muslims try to imitate Mohammed.


Even Mohamed can't hold a candle against his father-in-law Abu Bakr. Mohamed just liked to slaughter Arabs who didn't do as they were told. Abu Bakr killed everyone and anyone on the road to Babylonian* world dominance.

Ok, Babylon* according to Abu Bakr, not that of its prior great ancient pre-Persian civilization. Arabs never invented any sort of civilization.
4   Rin   2020 Mar 5, 8:12pm  

I'm waiting for some dumbfuck Islamic apologist to say that Nebuchadnezzar was an Arabian ruler.
5   Bd6r   2020 Mar 6, 9:37am  

Patrick says
Christians try to imitate Jesus.

In theory, not always in practice.
6   alpo   2020 Mar 7, 10:09pm  

Patrick says
Christians try to imitate Jesus.

Muslims try to imitate Mohammed. And that's exactly why Islam is so fucked up.


You make it sound like Christians haven't done anything wrong in this world. Christians are probably as violent as Muslims if not more - its just a matter of which time period you look at. The problem isn't Jesus or Mohamed, the problem is the expansionist political and narrow mindset of both Christianity and Islam that has lead to destruction of many other cultures and religion throughout the world and throughout the history of Christianity and Islam.
7   HeadSet   2020 Mar 7, 10:34pm  

its just a matter of which time period you look at.

We are looking at today.
8   Shaman   2020 Mar 7, 10:38pm  

alpo says
Christians are probably as violent as Muslims if not more


Isn’t it people like you who are always saying “they aren’t real Muslims” or “Islam is a religion of peace” every time a Muslim terrorist blows up a bunch of innocent people? Even when they say it’s for Islam and say Allah Akbar when they hit the detonator?
So why blame Christianity for the senseless acts of nominal Christians who aren’t following their religion when they do violent things?

Your position is full of inherent inconsistency, and smacks of simple resentment rather than reason.
9   alpo   2020 Mar 7, 11:49pm  

Shaman says
Isn’t it people like you who are always saying “they aren’t real Muslims” or “Islam is a religion of peace” every time a Muslim terrorist blows up a bunch of innocent people? Even when they say it’s for Islam and say Allah Akbar when they hit the detonator?


No, what I am saying is that both Islam and Christianity are two of the most violent religions ever conceived by humans. Both these religions have expanded on the back of violence doing immense damage all over the world, Both these two religions are based on narrow intolerant mindset that has historically breaded and encouraged violence. Trying to decide whether Christianity is more violent or Islam is like trying to decide whether you want your hands chopped off or legs.
10   Rin   2020 Mar 8, 4:07am  

alpo says
Trying to decide whether Christianity is more violent or Islam is like trying to decide whether you want your hands chopped off or legs.


Actually, I believe I've answered this with this statement ...

Rin says
So sure, you can pick bones with the Council of Nicaea, Emperor Constantine, Godfrey of Bouillon/Pope Urban II (of the Crusades), and a host of other religious douche-bags


Yes, the above are political a/o military types who've built a legacy upon using Christianity to foment violence and intolerance.

And no, Paul of Tarsas, the 13th disciple, (despite perhaps being delusional, as he never met Jesus) was no Abu Bakr. These are the two source points of Christianity and Islam.
11   Shaman   2020 Mar 8, 8:33am  

alpo says
No, what I am saying is that both Islam and Christianity are two of the most violent religions ever conceived by humans. Both these religions have expanded on the back of violence doing immense damage all over the world, Both these two religions are based on narrow intolerant mindset that has historically breaded and encouraged violence.


You really couldn’t be more wrong. Christianity expanded mostly through missionaries, converting foreigners with a message, and Islam expanded entirely through conquest. The fact that some colonial powers brought missionaries along on their conquests doesn’t have anything to do with the central message or theology of Jesus.
Islam spread almost entirely through violence. It’s only been since the last century or so where Islamic nations haven’t been allowed/able to conquer with the sword that they’ve tried more peaceful means of proselytization.

Add to that the central point of Jesus teaching is to make peace with neighbors and do good to those who try to harm you... it’s totally different in every conceivable way.

I don’t mind educating you, but please don’t stubbornly cling to your ignorance and expect me to respect you.
12   Onvacation   2020 Mar 8, 9:12am  

alpo says
No, what I am saying is that both Islam and Christianity are two of the most violent religions ever conceived by humans.

Muslims are violent if they follow their book. Christians who are violent don't follow their book; big difference.
13   Onvacation   2020 Mar 8, 9:14am  

alpo says
Both these two religions are based on narrow intolerant mindset that has historically breaded and encouraged violence.

Really?
Love thy neighbor or kill the infidel. Stop being an apologist for Islam.
14   AD   2020 Mar 8, 10:42am  

alpo says
Shaman says
Isn’t it people like you who are always saying “they aren’t real Muslims” or “Islam is a religion of peace” every time a Muslim terrorist blows up a bunch of innocent people? Even when they say it’s for Islam and say Allah Akbar when they hit the detonator?


No, what I am saying is that both Islam and Christianity are two of the most violent religions ever conceived by humans. Both these religions have expanded on the back of violence doing immense damage all over the world, Both these two religions are based on narrow intolerant mindset that has historically breaded and encouraged violence. Trying to decide whether Christianity is more violent or Islam is like trying to decide whether you want your hands chopped off or legs.


What is your opinion as far as how the Chinese government treats Muslims ?
15   Rin   2020 Mar 8, 10:22pm  

Shaman says

Add to that the central point of Jesus teaching is to make peace with neighbors and do good to those who try to harm you... it’s totally different in every conceivable way.


Well, if some of Jesus's 13 disciples had the names of Abu Bakr, Khalid Ibn Walid, Umar, and some so-called "nice guy" Ali (according to Iranians), I wouldn't give any credence to Christianity having a peaceful origin.

It would be clear that the bad boys of the Sands of Arabia made up some story of a wise fella but then, staged endless coups and attacks upon peaceful civilizations subjugating them to their ... ahem ... peaceful messiah/prophet.

Look, Abu Bakr was Mohamed's father-in-law.

In contrast, Jesus was centuries removed from Constantine, a millennia from the Crusades, and 1600 years from the Spanish Inquisition.

https://patrick.net/post/1328080/2019-10-23-losers-triangle-in-arabia

16   alpo   2020 Mar 8, 10:28pm  

Shaman says
I don’t mind educating you, but please don’t stubbornly cling to your ignorance and expect me to respect you.


I try to avoid getting into religious arguments with Christians and Muslims. The problem is that that they will both kill you trying to convince you that their religion is more peaceful. In either case, I find both these two religions very narrow minded and closed. Any religion that claims that it is the only way to god is simply childish. On top of this these two religions will stoop to any level to convince others to their way and this is what has historically breaded violence and degenerated the global atmosphere for many many hundreds of years.

MM1 says
What is your opinion as far as how the Chinese government treats Muslims ?


China does a fairly good job of keeping the "Muslim" mentality in check within their borders, outside their borders they attempt to influence and use the muslim mindset for geopolitics.
17   Rin   2020 Mar 8, 11:14pm  

alpo says
Any religion that claims that it is the only way to god is simply childish.


This is actually wrong. I can tell Christians that the Saoshyant (Savior of Virgin Birth) was stolen from Zoroastrianism, which was Paul's way of bringing Christianity into Anatolia. Paul, after all, was one of the best propagandist of all time.

And then, Christian Theologians would tell me to go fuck myself and that would be the end of the discussion.

In any Muslim nation, I'd be arrested and be possibly facing execution. That's a stark contract to most Christian majority nations.
18   Rin   2020 Mar 10, 12:44pm  

Rin says
alpo says
Any religion that claims that it is the only way to god is simply childish.


This is actually wrong. I can tell Christians that the Saoshyant (Savior of Virgin Birth) was stolen from Zoroastrianism, which was Paul's way of bringing Christianity into Anatolia. Paul, after all, was one of the best propagandist of all time.

And then, Christian Theologians would tell me to go fuck myself and that would be the end of the discussion.

In any Muslim nation, I'd be arrested and be possibly facing execution. That's a stark contract to most Christian majority nations.


Ok, no response to the above in 2 days. I take that as a win for me.
19   Ceffer   2020 Mar 10, 12:58pm  

Rin says
Ok, no response to the above in 2 days. I take that as a win for me.

No, it's just because virgin births aren't any fun.

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