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GNL
2020 Mar 10, 10:52am
GNL
2020 Mar 10, 10:52am
I would bet he is right. The problem is how do people get learnt? You would either self teach (bwahahababa, not too many are capable of that) or on the job training (bwahahabababa, not gonna happen).
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Bd6r
2020 Mar 10, 11:12am
Bd6r
2020 Mar 10, 11:12am
He is right - these days even retards will pass, and teaching is not the goal any more. The goal of a college is to create as many high-paid administrative positions as possible, to extract as much money from clueless State legislatures and students as possible, and keep number of tenured, research-active faculty to a necessary minimum in order to use them for advertising purposes only, while most classes are taught by underpaid temp lecturers without any rights.
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Ceffer
2020 Mar 10, 11:13am
Ceffer
2020 Mar 10, 11:13am
Universities are gladiatorial combat for introverts who think their minds will lift boulders someday, girls who still want husbands, and job market avoidance /partying while getting swedo job market training.
Networking scions in their elitist echo chambers, market branding of pure status for status sake, Progressive brain washing and the Potemkin printing press diversity diplomas are value added features.
Networking scions in their elitist echo chambers, market branding of pure status for status sake, Progressive brain washing and the Potemkin printing press diversity diplomas are value added features.
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Bd6r
2020 Mar 10, 11:16am
Bd6r
2020 Mar 10, 11:16am
Ceffer says
In all fairness, some do - a few of my own students are creating $$$at least hundreds of millions worth of technology for the companies they work for (as in how to make a new technology for producing a chemical which is used on a huge scale). University will then point to those few people as justification of success, while omitting the fact that this is an exception in a very specific field...
introverts who think their minds will lift boulders someday
In all fairness, some do - a few of my own students are creating $$$at least hundreds of millions worth of technology for the companies they work for (as in how to make a new technology for producing a chemical which is used on a huge scale). University will then point to those few people as justification of success, while omitting the fact that this is an exception in a very specific field...
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Rin
2020 Mar 10, 12:43pm
Rin
2020 Mar 10, 12:43pm
rd6B says
Yes, but if you recall from the 80s and 90s, a lot of those ppl were unemployed (a.k.a the Oil Patch bust which extended into process chemistry) and had to switch fields into IT, finance, or health care. So the lesson here is that don't do something just to make Uncle DuPont a mint, do it for yourself.
University will then point to those few people as justification of success, while omitting the fact that this is an exception in a very specific field...
Yes, but if you recall from the 80s and 90s, a lot of those ppl were unemployed (a.k.a the Oil Patch bust which extended into process chemistry) and had to switch fields into IT, finance, or health care. So the lesson here is that don't do something just to make Uncle DuPont a mint, do it for yourself.
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Bd6r
2020 Mar 10, 12:55pm
Bd6r
2020 Mar 10, 12:55pm
Rin says
None of my students have been fired...YET. Some have changed work with associated substantial salary increases because they wanted to. We can not tell what happens later though, when they start hitting age of 50 or so.
Many of the most successful ones are incapable of human interaction as in borderline autistic, so they are not well adapted to life outside lab.
Yes, but if you recall from the 80s and 90s, a lot of those ppl were unemployed (a.k.a the Oil Patch bust which extended into process chemistry) and had to switch fields into IT, finance, or health care. So the lesson here is that don't do something just to make Uncle DuPont a mint, do it for yourself.
None of my students have been fired...YET. Some have changed work with associated substantial salary increases because they wanted to. We can not tell what happens later though, when they start hitting age of 50 or so.
Many of the most successful ones are incapable of human interaction as in borderline autistic, so they are not well adapted to life outside lab.
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Ceffer
2020 Mar 10, 1:13pm
Ceffer
2020 Mar 10, 1:13pm
rd6B says
I was in a ski club years ago that was operated by employees of a certain weapons lab. At the house they rented they would bring up an obviously autistic man with a 24 hour keeper to take him out for mild skiing. He apparently had one of those rare savant abilities and they had him working at the lab on who knows what but he was clearly a highly valued package.
He was never alone and his companion basically watched him constantly as a kind of servant/guard. The 'guard' wouldn't really let him talk to people much, I suppose because they didn't want him 'spilling' information.
Talking with some of the physicists was quite a trip. They were pretty much as the caricatures present, but they also had some amazing interests that they could talk about that more or less defy description for esoteric-ness.
Many of the most successful ones are incapable of human interaction as in borderline autistic, so they are not well adapted to life outside lab.
I was in a ski club years ago that was operated by employees of a certain weapons lab. At the house they rented they would bring up an obviously autistic man with a 24 hour keeper to take him out for mild skiing. He apparently had one of those rare savant abilities and they had him working at the lab on who knows what but he was clearly a highly valued package.
He was never alone and his companion basically watched him constantly as a kind of servant/guard. The 'guard' wouldn't really let him talk to people much, I suppose because they didn't want him 'spilling' information.
Talking with some of the physicists was quite a trip. They were pretty much as the caricatures present, but they also had some amazing interests that they could talk about that more or less defy description for esoteric-ness.
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Rin
2020 Mar 10, 7:44pm
Rin
2020 Mar 10, 7:44pm
rd6B says
Which would be a shame if they experienced another bust, which require those interpersonal skills to transition into a different career.
Many of the most successful ones are incapable of human interaction as in borderline autistic, so they are not well adapted to life outside lab.
Which would be a shame if they experienced another bust, which require those interpersonal skills to transition into a different career.
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WookieMan
2020 Mar 11, 3:34am
WookieMan
2020 Mar 11, 3:34am
I went, but never understood college as a whole. Trade schools and as much as I hate them, unions have the right approach with training. I want my doctor learning about what he needs to do and not blowing 1/2 their undergrad credit hours on stuff that has nothing to do with the medical field. Just like I don't expect my HVAC repairman to know Roman history.
Not a Musk brown noser, but he is right. System needs an overhaul.
Not a Musk brown noser, but he is right. System needs an overhaul.
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Bd6r
2020 Mar 11, 8:22am
Bd6r
2020 Mar 11, 8:22am
WookieMan says
Fifty years ago, college created a "well-rounded" individual that could do a lot of things and was generally well-educated. This was possible because college was cheap, and because few people went to it, and because college actually required studying and it taught students how to reason, debate, and analyze.
Now this is impossible because school costs 3 times too much, everyone, including people who is incapable of learning, goes to college, students are not taught logic, critical analysis etc but instead are indoctrinated and taught how to pass multiple choice tests that are useless.
I went, but never understood college as a whole. Trade schools and as much as I hate them, unions have the right approach with training. I want my doctor learning about what he needs to do and not blowing 1/2 their undergrad credit hours on stuff that has nothing to do with the medical field. Just like I don't expect my HVAC repairman to know Roman history.
Not a Musk brown noser, but he is right. System needs an overhaul.
Fifty years ago, college created a "well-rounded" individual that could do a lot of things and was generally well-educated. This was possible because college was cheap, and because few people went to it, and because college actually required studying and it taught students how to reason, debate, and analyze.
Now this is impossible because school costs 3 times too much, everyone, including people who is incapable of learning, goes to college, students are not taught logic, critical analysis etc but instead are indoctrinated and taught how to pass multiple choice tests that are useless.
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socal2
2020 Mar 11, 9:25am
Colleges and universities should have some skin in the game to justify their outrageous tuition while they receive government subsidies and grants.
Universities should be forced to report out if their graduates are getting jobs in the fields of their study. This information will be very handy to students and parents before they commit to an expensive school. If expensive universities are churning out a bunch of snowflakes with useless degrees and a mountain of debt, they shouldn't be looking for the taxpayer to bail them out like all of the moron Democrats and Bernie Bros are advocating.
Universities should be forced to report out if their graduates are getting jobs in the fields of their study. This information will be very handy to students and parents before they commit to an expensive school. If expensive universities are churning out a bunch of snowflakes with useless degrees and a mountain of debt, they shouldn't be looking for the taxpayer to bail them out like all of the moron Democrats and Bernie Bros are advocating.
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Bd6r
2020 Mar 11, 9:33am
Bd6r
2020 Mar 11, 9:33am
socal2 says
Betsy DeVos (sp?) who is ORANGEMANBAD education secretary recently put some data for schools online: https://collegescorecard.ed.gov. I note that before ORANGEMAN BAD this data was not easily available.
Universities should be forced to report out if their graduates are getting jobs in the fields of their study.
Betsy DeVos (sp?) who is ORANGEMANBAD education secretary recently put some data for schools online: https://collegescorecard.ed.gov. I note that before ORANGEMAN BAD this data was not easily available.
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WookieMan
2020 Mar 11, 12:10pm
WookieMan
2020 Mar 11, 12:10pm
rd6B says
I can't remember if you've said you're part of academia. I have two neighbors that are CC professors (they're a couple/married). I personally never bring up politics. But they sometimes bring up their views. It's very cultish is the only way to describe it. DeVos came to one of their campus' and the CC didn't notify staff. My neighbor probably would have punched DeVos if she could have gotten close enough had she known about the visit.
It's a weird all out hatred of anything Trump does with them. It's one thing to see the hatred online, but in person is extra alarming. They're teaching our youth and at the same time don't realize they're being brainwashed. They're pro-union and don't realize that the modern day union is just a scam to grab money from employees. With prevailing wage laws in many/most states, it's impossible to be underpaid for what is comparative union work.
They have so many flaws in their positions, but it's not worth the time or friendship to argue over it. So I shut my mouth. Maybe I'm making it worse now that I write this?
socal2 saysUniversities should be forced to report out if their graduates are getting jobs in the fields of their study.
Betsy DeVos (sp?) who is ORANGEMANBAD education secretary recently put some data for schools online: https://collegescorecard.ed.gov. I note that before ORANGEMAN BAD this data was not easily available.
I can't remember if you've said you're part of academia. I have two neighbors that are CC professors (they're a couple/married). I personally never bring up politics. But they sometimes bring up their views. It's very cultish is the only way to describe it. DeVos came to one of their campus' and the CC didn't notify staff. My neighbor probably would have punched DeVos if she could have gotten close enough had she known about the visit.
It's a weird all out hatred of anything Trump does with them. It's one thing to see the hatred online, but in person is extra alarming. They're teaching our youth and at the same time don't realize they're being brainwashed. They're pro-union and don't realize that the modern day union is just a scam to grab money from employees. With prevailing wage laws in many/most states, it's impossible to be underpaid for what is comparative union work.
They have so many flaws in their positions, but it's not worth the time or friendship to argue over it. So I shut my mouth. Maybe I'm making it worse now that I write this?
"You don't need college to learn stuff," Musk said at the Satellite 2020 conference in Washington on Monday. "Everything is available basically for free. You can learn anything you want for free. It is not a question of learning."
Colleges do have a value, Musk acknowledged, as proving grounds for intellectual grit and determination to test whether somebody can "work hard at something, including a bunch of annoying homework assignments ... and kind of soldier through and get it done."
At the same time, it's probably worthwhile "to hang around with a bunch of people your own age for a while, instead of going right into the workforce," Musk said. "So I think colleges are basically for fun and to prove you can do your chores, but they're not for learning."
The billionaire, who gradated from the University of Pennsylvania, said that Tesla recruiting information and job postings do not prioritize a college degree as a prerequisite "because that's absurd," he said.
"But there is," he explained, "a requirement of evidence of exceptional ability. If you try to do something exceptional, it must have evidence of exceptional ability. I don't consider going to college evidence of exceptional ability. In fact, ideally, you dropped out and did something."
https://justthenews.com/nation/technology/elon-musk-says-graduating-college-not-needed-theyre-not-learning