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I'm enjoying the shortages of TP and Hand Sanitizer

By theoakman follow theoakman   2020 Mar 11, 4:13pm 1,709 views   59 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


Looking at the empty shelves in the supermarket...people are getting some first hand experience with some of the effects of socialism....empty shelves. Ironically, it's always the "price gouging" laws that allow these things to happen. If they let the price of hand sanitizer and toilet paper go up...I doubt people would be buying a truckload.

I witnessed the same nonsense after Hurricane Sandy. Everyone sitting around for 6 hours waiting for gas. Meanwhile, if they simply let the price rise to 5 dollars a gallon, I'm sure thousands of tanker trucks would have come over from Delaware and PA to sell. Instead...the state sat around without gas for 2 weeks.

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20   Ceffer   ignore (4)   2020 Mar 17, 10:48am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I just gave the dog some plastic bags and told him it's time for him to start picking up my poop.
21   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 Mar 17, 11:45am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NDrLoR says
theoakman says
Looking at the empty shelves in the supermarket
The stupid hoarders will turn the country into Venezuela.


I just spoke w a Venezuelan who said this reminds her of the first stage of their descent.
23   zzyzzx   ignore (2)   2020 Mar 17, 1:23pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

CovfefeButDeadly says
The local chain grocery store had TP in stock Sunday afternoon.


Went shopping on Sunday but the stores were actually pretty empty (of people and TP, and most meats). I think people are all shopped out for a while.
24   NDrLoR   ignore (1)   2020 Mar 17, 9:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

CovfefeButDeadly says
Costco
I was at my friend's in West Saturday and noticed two huge boxes of Costco toilet paper, over 75 rolls, and asked him how he got that much. He said the young man who lives in West with whom he runs their vintage electronic business used to work at Walmart and keeps tabs on good buys and he said he bought it a couple of weeks before all this happened.
26   clambo   ignore (5)   2020 Mar 20, 4:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

My commode is a couple of feet from the shower.

It all ends up in the same place.
27   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2020 Mar 20, 4:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

theoakman says
If they let the price of hand sanitizer and toilet paper go up...



Then there would be the same amount of people without Toilet paper, but for a different reason.
The problem is two fold. Toilet Paper is about 200% marked up more than it should be.
The second problem is Toilet paper is packaged to move as much of it, at the greatest price the manufacture and box store possibly can.
The manufactures need to get back to 4 and 8 packs, and the outlets need to curb quantities per purchase. Buy limiting the amount of items people can buy.

As a Store owner you don't want any small group of your customers coming and buying up all of your stock of one item, that it infringes on the shopping experience of a much larger group of shoppers.
29   ddshutlz   ignore (0)   2020 Mar 22, 6:33am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Effect of socialism? What??? By your own statement, it is obvious that not only socialism can do that..... Why do you feel socialism is any way related to a pandemic induced panic? theoakman says
Looking at the empty shelves in the supermarket...people are getting some first hand experience with some of the effects of socialism....empty shelves. Ironically, it's always the "price gouging" laws that allow these things to happen. If they let the price of hand sanitizer and toilet paper go up...I doubt people would be buying a truckload.

I witnessed the same nonsense after Hurricane Sandy. Everyone sitting around for 6 hours waiting for gas. Meanwhile, if they simply let the price rise to 5 dollars a gallon, I'm sure thousands of tanker trucks would have come over from Delaware and PA to sell. Instead...the state sat around without gas for 2 weeks.
30   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch   ignore (55)   2020 Mar 22, 6:46am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

zzyzzx says
I think people are all shopped out for a while.


I go in the mid afternoon and have my choice of parking spots.

I was hoping for free fire fights and cars in flames and people bayonetting each other for the last jar of Mint Jelly.
31   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (3)   2020 Mar 22, 8:31am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
zzyzzx says
I think people are all shopped out for a while.


I go in the mid afternoon and have my choice of parking spots.

I was hoping for free fire fights and cars in flames and people bayonetting each other for the last jar of Mint Jelly.


It’s not April yet.
32   RC2006   ignore (2)   2020 Mar 22, 9:16am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

What I think is going to be a bigger issue as time goes by is all the new crazy gun buyers that have never even held a gun. All the ranges are closed nowhere to practice. Expect to see a lot of people shooting themselves and kid deaths from stupid parents.
33   Misc   ignore (0)   2020 Mar 22, 12:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

RC2006 says
What I think is going to be a bigger issue as time goes by is all the new crazy gun buyers that have never even held a gun. All the ranges are closed nowhere to practice. Expect to see a lot of people shooting themselves and kid deaths from stupid parents.


There are hundreds of thousands of recently unemployed without access to unemployment benefits (part time employees, illegals, and people without the 6 months of necessary employment). Desperate people do desperate things. Crime is going to skyrocket.
36   Malcolm   ignore (2)   2020 Mar 22, 5:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

A real one that attaches to a toilet cost me all of $35. If more people had them, they would not even be giving it a second thought.
37   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2020 Mar 22, 5:22pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

There are hundreds of thousands of recently unemployed without access to unemployment benefits (part time employees, illegals, and people without the 6 months of necessary employment). Desperate people do desperate things. Crime is going to skyrocket.

Did crime skyrocket during the Great Depression? Actually, crime and unemployment have not historically correlated.

https://www.city-journal.org/html/crime-and-great-recession-13399.html
38   RC2006   ignore (2)   2020 Mar 22, 6:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HeadSet says
Did crime skyrocket during the Great Depression? Actually, crime and unemployment have not historically correlated.


I don't think blacks were so brazen then.
40   clambo   ignore (5)   2020 Mar 23, 7:16am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Toilet paper? I don’t care, I can fly in a young CNA from Florida who can change my depends, she’s had practice.
41   Malcolm   ignore (2)   2020 Mar 23, 10:11am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Booger says


Do you have a problem with poo sticking to your fur?

No?

And he wipes his ass with the dog.
43   QuantBoy   ignore (0)   2020 Mar 23, 2:36pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Professor Robert Shiller's dogma is about value.

Shiller was right about the significance of house price to household income ratio back in the mid 2000's. He won a Nobel Prize in Economics.

His Shiller P/E ratio for the S&P 500 is a very helpful gauge of the value of the S&P 500 such as if it is too expensive or cheap. See the link below.

The Shiller PE ratio is now at 16.8 and below the bottom for the 2001/2002 bear market which was around 23.

However the Shiller PE ratio ratio was around 15 for the 2009/2009 bear market.

A lot of what the pundits are stating as far as the S&P 500 bottoming near 2,000 points (from all time peak of 3,393 points) is based on the Shiller PE bottoming at 15, the same level it was around the bottom of the 2008/9 bear market.

https://www.multpl.com/shiller-pe

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44   ad   ignore (0)   2020 Mar 23, 2:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Professor Robert Shiller's dogma is about value.

Shiller was right about the significance of house price to household income ratio back in the mid 2000's. He won a Nobel Prize in Economics.

His Shiller P/E ratio for the S&P 500 is a very helpful gauge of the value of the S&P 500 such as if it is too expensive or cheap. See the link below.

The Shiller PE ratio is now at 16.8 and below the bottom for the 2001/2002 bear market which was around 23.

However the Shiller PE ratio ratio was around 15 for the 2009/2009 bear market.

A lot of what the pundits are stating as far as the S&P 500 bottoming near 2,000 points (from all time peak of 3,393 points) is based on the Shiller PE bottoming at 15, the same level it was around the bottom of the 2008/9 bear market.

https://www.multpl.com/shiller-pe

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46   Booger   ignore (7)   2020 Mar 24, 4:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://news.yahoo.com/costco-now-refusing-returns-demand-171700728.html

Costco Is Now Refusing Returns On In-Demand Items Like Rice And Toilet Paper

47   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Mar 24, 4:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

After initially saying that 40% alcohol (ie, 80 proof, like vodka) was not sufficient, the latest conclusion is that yes, it is effective at 40%

So no one really needs hand sanitizer as long as vodka is available! Just carry a little flask at all times. You have a damn good reason now.

As for TP, well, if you have a shower with a hose, that's how most of the world effectively does it. All of India thinks we're gross for wiping ourselves with paper.
48   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2020 Mar 24, 4:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

After initially saying that 40% alcohol (ie, 80 proof, like vodka) was not sufficient, the latest conclusion is that yes, it is effective at 40%

Maybe they are thinking 40% is effective if you light it afterward.
50   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2020 Mar 24, 5:05pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WTF is Toilet Paper?

Pages of the Koran.
52   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 Mar 25, 9:20am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
So no one really needs hand sanitizer as long as vodka is available! Just carry a little flask at all times. You have a damn good reason now.


Bonus! Finally an excuse to smell like liquor while driving
53   FuckCCP89   ignore (6)   2020 Mar 25, 9:22am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

CBOEtrader says
Patrick says
So no one really needs hand sanitizer as long as vodka is available! Just carry a little flask at all times. You have a damn good reason now.


Bonus! Finally an excuse to smell like liquor while driving


... and having an open container in the cupholder.
54   Booger   ignore (7)   2020 Mar 25, 6:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

CBOEtrader says
Bonus! Finally an excuse to smell like liquor while driving
.

It's legal for passengers in your car to be drinking in Delaware.
57   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2020 Apr 3, 8:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Booger says
CBOEtrader says
Bonus! Finally an excuse to smell like liquor while driving
.

It's legal for passengers in your car to be drinking in Delaware.


Hmm. Maybe that is why Delaware has relatively fewer CV-19 cases.
58   zzyzzx   ignore (2)   2020 Apr 9, 10:50am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://www.ksl.com/article/46739355/box-elder-plant-running-247-to-keep-up-with-toilet-paper-demand

Plant running 24/7 to keep up with toilet paper demand

BEAR RIVER CITY — Employees at the Procter & Gamble plant in Box Elder County are working around the clock to keep up with the push to get more toilet paper on shelves nationwide.

That means they’re having to keep a full regular staff while maintaining social distancing guidelines during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Human resources leader Tommy Montoya said it’s meant many changes, including only one chair per table in the break rooms and keeping everyone in one assigned station for their whole shift.

“We’ve implemented new beginning and end of shift sanitizing procedures, to make sure, you know, if teams come in and out, we’re not transferring anything from one team to another, and really making sure we’re protecting all our employees,” he said.

“We’ve also implemented temperature taking, at the beginning of the shift. Before you can be admitted to the site, you’ve got to go through a declaration to make sure that you’re not experiencing any symptoms. And if you are, we’ve got a medical process to take care of that.”

However, Montoya said workers have a pretty good idea of just how important this stuff is.

“I was talking with one of the employees last week, and he was telling me, ‘I never realized that working in toilet paper was going to be so socially respected,'” Montoya said. “But he was just like, ‘it gives me a lot of pride to know that people really do need and value the products that we provide.’ It’s been pretty neat to watch that.”

Because when the simple things in life disappear, we all gain a greater appreciation.

“Our priority is keeping our employees safe, while we can ensure we deliver the products that consumers depend on for their daily lives,” Montoya said.

Everything’s also disinfected between any shift changes. It’s a lot to put in place while maintaining a full staff here, but it’s also allowing employees here to continue to put food on the table.

“What we’ve seen is that when our employees are safe and they feel comfortable, they’ll rise to the task of meeting the increased demand,” Montoya said. “It’s pretty impressive to watch. We do believe that this time has caused all of society to pause and reflect and to think a little bit more. It is reassuring to know that in times like this, there are products, essential products on the way, that Charmin is on the way, and that our employees are able to help.”
59   zzyzzx   ignore (2)   2020 Apr 9, 10:56am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://fox5sandiego.com/news/hoarding-not-the-only-reason-for-toilet-paper-shortage/

Hoarding not the only reason for toilet paper shortage

GRAND RAPIDS, Mich. (WOOD) — As finding rolls of toilet paper becomes more like trying to find a diamond in the rough, it’s easy to blame the tissue shortage on hoarding or stocking up but wholesale suppliers say there is a lot more to it.

Rich Hebert is the CEO of Clean It Supply, a wholesaler for cleaning supplies. Hebert said tissue manufacturers have a priority hierarchy – Federal Emergency Management Agency and medical companies are at the top, with big box stores somewhere in the middle.

“Aside from consumers trying to stock up, the government and first responders are definitely taking far more than they were before,” Hebert said.

He said the U.S. relied on China and India for about 10% of its tissue supplies prior to the COVID-19 outbreak.

China stopped producing it as the country deals with the impact of the outbreak, which put a strain on the U.S. supply.

Americans aren’t going to the bathroom more than they used to, but the location likely has changed. On average, a person uses the restroom five times each day, and two or three of those times used to be at work or school. That’s as many as 15 times each week, which for a family of four, would be 60 more flushes at home each week.

Hebert has seen the impact in his company’s sales.

“Prior to this crisis, 80% of our sales were to businesses and 20% were to consumers, but in the last three weeks, that his flipped. We are now 80% to consumers and 20% to businesses,” he said.

Herbert added that he thinks the strain on the supply will last at least another three months.

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