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The true purpose behind the novel coronavirus lock down, the protocols: A mind control experiment

By WillPowers follow WillPowers   2020 Apr 7, 2:16am 504 views   44 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


Joseph P. Farrell, Giza Death Star, founder, said this is “a beta test for social engineering.” The government is “tracking the inflection points” in the population. They are tracking those “that are opposing the narrative.” “They are going to try something like this further down the line and it will be more serious, but they need to make sure they know where the opposition is.”

April 2, 2020, podcast: 13:00 min. Joseph P. Farrell: https://gizadeathstar.com/

If Farrell is right, this could mean our intelligence services are conducting a mind control experiment on a massive scale. Not unlike the mind control experiment I believe the CIA conducted in Guyana at Jonestown.

Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple, was a 70’s cult religion based in San Francisco, and eventually wound up in Guyana, Southern America, where Jones and his followers would eventually commit murder/suicide.

Jonestown: https://mojomorning.blogspot.com/2018/11/cia-medical-experiment.html


Based on a book by Michael Meiers: Was Jonestown a CIA Medical Experiment? a Review of the Evidence", 1989

According to Michael Meiers, Jones used an “unseen” threat as a way “to bind his congregation together,” as well as a way to explain the armed guards and tall fence.  Temple members reported shots in the night and people who “threw dead dogs onto the Temple grounds,” All the attacks were staged. The dogs were easily provided for by the Temple animal shelter, that housed the “unfortunate strays” and these were the dogs used in the attacks.

More evidence Jim Jones was connected to the CIA in the video presentation:

WATCH the VIDEO on the connection between JONESTOWN & the CORONAVIRUS PROTOCOLS HERE:

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5   georgeliberte   ignore (0)   2020 Apr 7, 7:44am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I don't believe this was all engineered; but, the longer it goes on, the more it seems possible. Anyway, some steps taken are dangerous to liberty and human rights.
https://babylonbee.com/news/all-civil-liberties-declared-nonessential
6   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2020 Apr 7, 7:57am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

willywonka says
That be one ugly city.

Hideous. Not in Chicago myself anymore, but she actually seems like she's going to be an okay to good mayor. Hopefully she doesn't get too tied up in race and queer stuff with her being one. I like her style with handling this so far. Although she has to be careful embracing the memes of her. They are funny, but some people will take that (because they're idiots) as this whole thing being a joke. Hence why we still have shootings and most the deaths are blacks.
9   NDrLoR   ignore (0)   2020 Apr 7, 8:44am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

georgeliberte says
some steps taken are dangerous to liberty and human rights.
Especially trials that have been postponed when the defendant is entitled to a speedy trial.
10   willywonka   ignore (6)   2020 Apr 7, 8:55am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Face it, you are all just brains in jars in an experimental lab. Wake up!!!
11   Hausmeister T   ignore (0)   2020 Apr 7, 9:20am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

When the headline needs the word “true” in it, then you know it’s fake
12   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2020 Apr 7, 9:34am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      

Yeah... it's all an experiment led by Trump, China, and hundreds of other countries. The people who died are all actors. BoJo is acting himself....

The level of paranoia on the Internet is reaching the GALACTICALLY STUPID.
13   rd6B   ignore (1)   2020 Apr 7, 9:39am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Usually fucking stupid is the simplest and most true explanation of gov't activities, and I believe this is the case for their corona response as well.
It is also quite interesting that many people who agree that government can not competently run anything suddenly propose that the same government is able to competently carry out vast conspiracies.
14   clambo   ignore (5)   2020 Apr 7, 9:44am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

“Are alien abductions real, or is it all a conspiracy?”
15   WillPowers   ignore (0)   2020 Apr 7, 11:04am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TEOTWAWKI says
Are you saying that intelligence services of different countries are in cahoots to perform a "mind control experiment" all over the world? CIA working hand in hand with FSB and whatever the Asshoe's intelligence is named? What about MI6? Spanish CNI?

Dude, this is nuts.


It is nuts. US intelligence services are in the midst of a cold civil war. There is the globalist faction aligned against Trump and his ultra nationalist agenda. The globalist faction want to protect corporate interests and their factories in China and illegal immigrants as well as legal immigrants to supply them with a cheap labor force. This faction of the deep state that hates Trump, aligned with the Dems and RINOs has tried on multiple occasions to bring down his presidency, with the Mueller probe, the impeachment and now this. The coronavirus was either accidentlly released or very possibly released by on purpose to facilitate an economic collapse to dissuade people from voting for him. If accidental, they are using the coronavirus to supply them with an excuse to halt the economy and bring it to a stand-still.
16   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2020 Apr 7, 11:10am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      

WillPowers says
very possibly released by on purpose to facilitate an economic collapse to dissuade people from voting for him.

Yeah... the Chinese are killing their people and sinking their economy - and the rest of the world - just to get Trump.
IT'S ALL ABOUT TRUMP!!!!!!
That makes total sense.... nope, it's GALACTICALLY STUPID!
18   covid_shmovid   ignore (5)   2020 Apr 7, 11:20am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WillPowers says
This faction of the deep state that hates Trump, aligned with the Dems and RINOs has tried on multiple occasions to bring down his presidency, with the Mueller probe, the impeachment and now this.


Sooo, our "deep state" is capable to coordinating with all other "deep states" around the world and work in a perfect unison while successfully supressing all the leakers and whistleblowers? Wow!
19   jazz_music   ignore (17)   2020 Apr 7, 11:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The ultimate conspiracy of conspiracies theory, this is born just before the big bang experienced a total contraction creating a fresh universe with no conspiracy theories populating it.
20   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2020 Apr 7, 11:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Heraclitusstudent says
Yeah... the Chinese are killing their people and sinking their economy - and the rest of the world - just to get Trump.
IT'S ALL ABOUT TRUMP!!!!!!

Don't think it's about Trump myself. But yes, the Chinese will and do kill their people all the time. Communism isn't sustainable. The more people you have to take care of the harder it gets. Greater chance of revolution. Their economy is made up of lies and deceit. That can't be hidden from their people forever.

We might see that breaking point soon unless the Chinese themselves released this to quash revolution they thought was coming, which I wouldn't doubt. Secondary effects may have been to try and hurt the US, but I think there's unrest in China and they wanted some of their people to STFU. Anyone thinking their death totals for Wuhan Bat Disease are within a factor of 10 are bat shit crazy. They're way over 100k deaths in China.
21   richwicks   ignore (0)   2020 Apr 7, 11:29am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TEOTWAWKI says
Sooo, our "deep state" is capable to coordinating with all other "deep states" around the world and work in a perfect unison while successfully supressing all the leakers and whistleblowers? Wow!


You know what the "deep state" is? It's just our intelligence agencies. And yes, they co-ordinate with others, like Mi6 and Italian intelligence agencies, that Misfud was associated with.

And they don't work in perfect unison. If they did, do you think the best thing they could have come up with was some "dossier" about Trump being in Russia having hookers urinate on a bed, when he wasn't even IN Russia at the time of the supposed incidents? They just assume the public is very gullible.

And there's plenty of whistle-blowers as well. That's why Julian Assange is kept in British prisons, and why Edward Snowden is somewhere in Russia. You ignore them.

How many times do the intelligence agencies have to lie to you anyhow, before you realize they don't work for truth, justice, and the American Way(tm). They lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, they lied about the humanitarian crisis that Qaddafi was about to cause in Libya, they lied about Assad gassing his civilian population, they lied about the Skripal's being poisoned by the FSB, they lied about Russian Collusion, they lie all the freaking time.

And they tell really stupid lies as well, but inexplicably, you believe them. I don't know why.
22   covid_shmovid   ignore (5)   2020 Apr 7, 11:47am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
You know what the "deep state" is? It's just our intelligence agencies. And yes, they co-ordinate with others, like Mi6 and Italian intelligence agencies


What about the FSB, Iranians, Chinese, North Koreans, etc.? Do they coordinate with their adversaries in CIA and MI6 too? Do Taiwanese intelligence coordinate with Chinese? Do South Korean intelligence coordinate with North Koreans? Do Saudis coordinate with Iranians? Israeli? Do they coordinate with Iranians too?

What the OP implied is that there is a global conspiracy among all intelligence agencies who suddently dropped everything and started to work in a perfect harmony to perpetuate this "hoax" in order to topple Trump. This would be the first time in the history of the world such coming together of all spooks has happened. It's like cats suddenly living with dogs.

And no, Assange and Snowden are not the kind of whislteblowers I was talking about: these were simply FSB moles exposing US secrets and US secrets only but never anything about their Mother Ship. What I'm talking about is whistleblowers and leakers who would expose CIA working in cahoots with FSB or Japanese spooks coordinating with their Chinese counterparts to topple Trump. How do they suppress all leaks all over the world?
23   WillPowers   ignore (0)   2020 Apr 7, 3:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Heraclitusstudent says
Yeah... the Chinese are killing their people and sinking their economy - and the rest of the world - just to get Trump.
IT'S ALL ABOUT TRUMP!!!!!!


You are misunderstand me. The Chinese didn't necessarily release this pathogen. It is within the realm of possibility and even very likely that a US covert operation released the virus in China, knowing how contagious the disease was and that it would cause a world wide pandemic.

And Yes, it is all about Trump. You bet it is. Trump stands in the way of these globalist and their desire to create a global empire, where China is the manufacturer of all the cheap products Americans use. It has been happening for decades.

TEOTWAWKI says

What about the FSB, Iranians, Chinese, North Koreans, etc.? Do they coordinate with their adversaries in CIA and MI6 too? Do Taiwanese intelligence coordinate with Chinese? Do South Korean intelligence coordinate with North Koreans? Do Saudis coordinate with Iranians? Israeli? Do they coordinate with Iranians too?


The CIA, or other intelligence services in the US don't have to coordinate with any other foreign power to operate. They do it secretly. That's why they are a spy organization.
24   covid_shmovid   ignore (5)   2020 Apr 7, 3:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WillPowers says
It is within the realm of possibility and even very likely that a US covert operation released the virus in China,


This is Russian/Chinese stance on the issue. Congrats.

25   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2020 Apr 7, 4:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Even if it wasn't a CIA psyop, bubbles need a prick. COVID was as good a black swan as any.
26   covid_shmovid   ignore (5)   2020 Apr 7, 4:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WillPowers says
The CIA, or other intelligence services in the US don't have to coordinate with any other foreign power to operate. They do it secretly.


Do what exactly? Persuade unsuspecting foreign governments to perform "mind control experiment" for them w/o even knowing that the virus is bogus and not deadly at all? And face no opposition from other intelligence and counter-intelligence agencies all over the world? How have they become so mighty so suddenly?
27   richwicks   ignore (0)   2020 Apr 7, 4:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TEOTWAWKI says
What about the FSB, Iranians, Chinese, North Koreans, etc.? Do they coordinate with their adversaries in CIA and MI6 too?


I don't know.

The problem I have is that the deep state that runs this nation colluded to remove a president who was elected to end all these stupid wars we've been in that is bankrupting the country.

TEOTWAWKI says
What the OP implied is that there is a global conspiracy among all intelligence agencies who suddently dropped everything and started to work in a perfect harmony to perpetuate this "hoax" in order to topple Trump.


Well, I honestly don't know about that.

Russia has said, multiple times, though multiple speakers that they don't care who is president of the United States, because the president doesn't control foreign policy when it comes to them. It is utterly irrelevant to them who the president is, because they know he doesn't control foreign policy. They gave up on trying to reason with the United States under George W. Bush.

Putin has had long, intelligent talks, trying to explain that it's not in Russia's interests to either interfere with the United States or be in military conflict with the United States. This is a reasonable, rational thing to say. Military expenditures are a WASTE OF MONEY to them. The same is true with China. When forced into a conflict they don't fight to win the war, they fight to deplete the resources of their adversary, which is what they did in Vietnam, what they did in Syria, what they always do. In the meantime, both China and Russia work on internal development and stabilization of their nations.

They simply give the United States, and Europe more rope to hang themselves with. Ever seen a military map of foreign US bases?


If there is ever a nuclear war, god forbid, the entire world is dead. There is no point in continuing the cold war from the vantage point of either China nor Russia. Mutually Assured Destruction is assured.

TEOTWAWKI says
And no, Assange and Snowden are not the kind of whislteblowers I was talking about: these were simply FSB moles exposing US secrets and US secrets only but never anything about their Mother Ship.


Look, I know you might be upset with this, but the United States are the bad guys this time around.

The US federal government is in continual war to steal resources and to establish foreign bases. It killed between 100,000 and 1,000,000 Iraqis over a lie about weapons of mass destruction, and then setup bases there. It blew up Libya to prevent Qaddafi from implementing a new currency - the gold dinar, because it threatened the Federal Reserve and the supremacy of the US dollar which is the world's reserve currency, and the only reason it's the world's reserve currency is that the US military backs it up.

What you don't understand is that the US federal government will murder anybody that stands in their way, including Americans. They're insane.

We don't have freedom of speech, we don't have a blind justice system, we don't have a freedom at all. It's constant propaganda constantly fed to you, and you erroneously support the federal government that has enslaved you.

There's been a 6 trillion dollar emergency stimulus. You know where most of that money is going? 4 trillion directly to the banking system, our BANKRUPT banking system. We've been bankrupt since the Nixon Shock.

Russia and China have been furiously buying gold since 2000. There is over 300 trillion dollars of debt in US dollars worldwide based on derivatives. We're F'ed, and because of this terrible mismanagement of our completely corrupt government and banking system which work hand in hand, the only solution these jerks can think of is military. What I hope the military does is turn against them, try them, and imprison them for life, and then sterilize all their children.

TEOTWAWKI says
What I'm talking about is whistleblowers and leakers who would expose CIA working in cahoots with FSB or Japanese spooks coordinating with their Chinese counterparts to topple Trump. How do they suppress all leaks all over the world?


Most people in the intelligence agencies have no clue. They just do their job, and keep their mouth shut. Information is compartmentalized for a reason but it's pretty damned easy to see, if you just look, and have the courage to trust your own intellect than the propaganda that is relentlessly fed to you.

Think about it anyhow, when the USSR still existed in the 1950's, most Russian citizens thought they lived in a modern, free system, which was far better than anything in Europe or the United States. How is that possible, how did they suppress all the leaks all over the world? Well, they didn't and by December 26, 1991, they got enough information to say enough, and overthrew their government, and good riddance.

I wish Americans had that courage.

We have a completely corrupt system. Oh we can't afford 16 billion dollars for a wall between Mexico and the United States, but spending 2 billion dollars a DAY on the middle eastern wars, no problem. They only reason they are all in for illegal immigration is that the immigrants are second class citizens without any due process that aren't subject to any labor laws or protections and out of chaos they make order.

Our enemy isn't foreign, it's domestic. We have no 4th amendment, the really want to get rid of that nasty 2nd, and they've been attacking the 1st for years. Don't you realize why they are attacking the 1st amendment - if Americans realize just how really corrupt their government is, they've got the same problem the USSR did. They've broken the agreement made to validate them as a legitimate government. We don't have a legitimate government, we have a criminal syndicate running the nation and they aren't your friends.
28   covid_shmovid   ignore (5)   2020 Apr 7, 4:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
Look, I know you might be upset with this, but the United States are the bad guys this time around.


Yeah, Comrade. This time around, that time around and fucking always. We get it.
29   covid_shmovid   ignore (5)   2020 Apr 7, 4:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
when the USSR still existed in the 1950's, most Russian citizens thought they lived in a modern, free system, which was far better than anything in Europe or the United States.


This is bullshit right there: it was spouted from radio, tv set and newspaper but most of the Soviet citizens didn't buy a single iota of that propaganda shit and were pretty frank about it among close friends while drinking in their tiny kitchens.
30   richwicks   ignore (0)   2020 Apr 7, 4:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TEOTWAWKI says
Do what exactly? Persuade unsuspecting foreign governments to perform "mind control experiment" for them w/o even knowing that the virus is bogus and not deadly at all? And face no opposition from other intelligence and counter-intelligence agencies all over the world?


The foreign governments aren't unsuspecting. Just as nearly all our politicians are happy to be meat puppets and pretend rulers, that's true of most of the Western world, today, if not all of it.

TEOTWAWKI says
How have they become so mighty so suddenly?


It's not sudden.

It's been this way for at least 30 years.

The main reason they antagonized Russia wasn't because they had a genuine fear of Russia, it was if there's a foreign enemy, their gullible population rallies around them. They couldn't care a bit about the USSR did to their population, and it was pretty awful.

But Russia fell apart in 1991, so what to do??!?!?!? Well let's have a new war, against terrorism. Oh after 16 years of that and it doesn't work and people aren't buying it anymore, oh then... Uh - I know Russia is expansionist and a threat to the world. There's Russian Collusion!!! Oh that isn't being bought?!?! CHINA IS EVIL.

Our enemy is not foreign. Neither Russia nor China threaten us. They don't care about our welfare either, they couldn't give less of a crap any more than you care about the welfare of Chinese people or Russians. What? You want to liberate the Chinese and Russians? Liberate us. You're always pointed to a foreign fictional enemy for a reason. Don't you remember? Saddam Hussein has a secret weapons of mass destruction program, and we can't wait for the final proof to come in the form of a mushroom cloud!

It's all bullshit.

And it's not some big freaking secret either. You've just been tricked into believing the propaganda. You're not a fool for believing this, you're not stupid either - but welcome to the pack, we're ALL subject to propaganda. Some of us get lucky enough to escape it but it's not because of some superiority, it's just we got exposed to the right information. I know the tricks because I had family on the other side of the USSR, and reading about how propaganda works, was FASCINATING to me. Turns out, it's just psychology. Advertisers use propaganda and there's a reason for that Edward Bernays created our propaganda system, but he called it "public relations". He was the nephew of Sigmund Freud, and Freud resented his work being misused this way by his little shit of a nephew.

There's an army of psychologists whose job is to keep you pacified and believing.
31   covid_shmovid   ignore (5)   2020 Apr 7, 5:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
The main reason they antagonized Russia wasn't because they had a genuine fear of Russia,


Oh, the warm and cuddly USSR. Just like warm and cuddly coronavirus. Both are antagonized by eeeeevil CIA for no good reason only to play mind games with population.

I understand the plan now:

- Antagonize something completely harmless like USSR or Covid-19.
- Perfrom "mind control experiment" with the population.
- .....
- PROFIT!
32   richwicks   ignore (0)   2020 Apr 7, 5:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HEYYOU says
Don't upset your owners!
I'm sure that voting for RepCons & Dems will solve the problem.
One can be part of the solution or continue to be the problem.


There is 0 difference, at all, between the establishment of either parties. They are meat puppets and just follow orders. The only difference is what smoke they blow up your ass. Nancy Pelosi has no ideals, any more than Jeb Bush does, or Hillary Clinton, or Mitt Romney, or Barack Obama, or John McCain, or George W. Bush, or John Kerry, or Al Gore, or William Clinton, or Bob Dole, or George W. Bush.

On rare occasions you might have a decent person who somehow remained a decent person despite entering politics.

The hope with Trump, and I will admit it's a slim hope, is that he's a narcissistic man who is nearing their end of his life that wants to go down in the history books as a great man. After all, who would want to have the worst job in the world? Being a leader of a nation? George W. Washington didn't. As soon as he could quit, he did. He was offered the position of KING - and he was like "oh no, F that!".

You get them every now and then, but it's exceedingly rare. Mostly what we get are sociopaths that love money, and have 0 morals, who will tell you any BS to get your support.

Remember when the wars were going to end with Hope and Change, and we were going to get nationalized health care? Yeah, we bombed 7 nations over 8 years, had a national discussion on transgendered bathrooms, and it became illegal not to have health insurance whether you could afford it or not. Yeah, just what I wanted after the last fuck lied the nation into a war over a non existent weapons of mass destruction program!
33   Shaman   ignore (2)   2020 Apr 7, 5:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Fuck! Tried to make a quick stop at Trader Joe’s for some essentials after work. There’s a dam line around the block in the dam rain!
34   richwicks   ignore (0)   2020 Apr 7, 5:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TEOTWAWKI says
Oh, the warm and cuddly USSR.


Please don't strawman me.

The USSR was a terrible despotic evil regime that abused its population and fed them constant bullshit about how awful the rest of the world was, while keeping their citizenry in constant poverty and fear.

That's the direction the United States is moving, if you've not noticed.

Hope you enjoy the 6 trillion dollars your kids and grandkids are going to have to pay for your $1,200 check. Wasn't that worth it? A whole $1,200 dollars!!! Less than an ounce of gold.

TEOTWAWKI says
I understand the plan now:

- Antagonize something completely harmless like USSR or Covid-19.
- Perfrom "mind control experiment" with the population.
- .....
- PROFIT!


If you want to talk to me like an adult, I invite you to do that, but this is not what I said, and I'm certain you're intelligent enough to recognize that.

I'll have a discussion, but not an argument.

In any case, I have work to do. You can think about what I've actually said, or not. It doesn't matter really.
35   richwicks   ignore (0)   2020 Apr 7, 5:23pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TEOTWAWKI says
This is bullshit right there: it was spouted from radio, tv set and newspaper but most of the Soviet citizens didn't buy a single iota of that propaganda shit and were pretty frank about it among close friends while drinking in their tiny kitchens.


The 1950's not the 1980's.

They just got out of WWII, there was massive investment into infrastructure, and a lot of the citizens still believed in the communist utopia that was to come!

I had family on the other side of the Iron Curtain, but in Poland. Samizdat didn't show up until quite a bit later. Doctor Zhivago was part of Samizdat. Don't buy the propaganda of the US that was telling you as soon as WWII was over that everybody in the USSR was miserable. They were saying the same thing about us.

Really, if communism could have worked, our country would have worked very hard to make it not work. But it doesn't work.
36   richwicks   ignore (0)   2020 Apr 7, 8:27pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rd6B says
It is also quite interesting that many people who agree that government can not competently run anything suddenly propose that the same government is able to competently carry out vast conspiracies.


Would you call Project MKUltra a conspiracy? That certainly happened, you realize.
Would you call Operation Ajax a conspiracy? That certainly happened.
Would you call Operation PBSuccess a conspiracy? That happened.

And it's not that the government is incompetent, they just don't care. "Oh golly, I accidentally blew up Iraq over a non existent weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq because everybody in the government was "mistaken" - OOPS!! My bad. You can't HANG ME for murdering a bunch of people over a legitimate mistake!"

Meanwhile, bases are being setup, a billion dollar embassy is built, military equipment is being shipped in all the while an "interim" USA approved government buys reconstruction contracts from corporations all affiliated with people within the government. Think maybe it wasn't about weapons of mass destruction at all?

They don't care if you think they're stupid incompetents. They WANT you to underestimate them. The more, the better. It's funny, you just have no concept of how evil they are. Why do you think they are able to rule you, when they're so dumb, and so incompetent? Why do you think you pay taxes to them, and can't even find out how the money is spent? Oh, it's because they're so stoopid! Right?
37   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2020 Apr 8, 8:37am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TEOTWAWKI says
richwicks says
when the USSR still existed in the 1950's, most Russian citizens thought they lived in a modern, free system, which was far better than anything in Europe or the United States.


This is bullshit right there: it was spouted from radio, tv set and newspaper but most of the Soviet citizens didn't buy a single iota of that propaganda shit and were pretty frank about it among close friends while drinking in their tiny kitchens.



Soviet internal propaganda was effective enough to fool Victor Balenko, that MiG 25 pilot who flew his plane to Japan. When debriefing in Virginia, Victor was shown several supermarkets. He said he thought they all were fake. Victor said that if that much food was available (with the meat actually visible in clear packaging) the place would be mobbed. He persisted in believing the markets were fake, even when they allowed him to choose where they drove and where they stopped.
38   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 Apr 8, 11:30am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HeadSet says
Soviet internal propaganda was effective enough to fool Victor Balenko, that MiG 25 pilot who flew his plane to Japan.


They told my Uncle Ivan that his brother had died and kept my Grandfather Albert's letters from him. Because he was a Red Army Colonel in WW2, when he retired he pulled some strings, got the letters, and after some years got a pass to visit the USA. He walked into Gristedes', which are mostly pretty small supermarkets, and cried.Couldn't believe my Grandfather lived in the house he did and drove his Ford Thunderbird. This was in the 70s.

He did know some American supermarkets were well stocked, he heard it from the grapevine, but he thought it was only for rich fat guys with top hats and a cane.
39   richwicks   ignore (0)   2020 Apr 8, 11:31am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HeadSet says
TEOTWAWKI says
richwicks says
when the USSR still existed in the 1950's, most Russian citizens thought they lived in a modern, free system, which was far better than anything in Europe or the United States.


This is bullshit right there: it was spouted from radio, tv set and newspaper but most of the Soviet citizens didn't buy a single iota of that propaganda shit and were pretty frank about it among close friends while drinking in their tiny kitchens.



Soviet internal propaganda was effective enough to fool Victor Balenko, that MiG 25


Viktor Belenko defected in 1976. This is what is annoying about talking with you, I clearly have said that in the 1950's the most people of the Soviet Russian society believed their BS government and I've stated that decade MULTIPLE times. You intentionally distort what people say to you and stawmen them and even when your dishonesty in a conversation is pointed out, you continue to do it. You are a very dishonest person to try to have a conversation with.
40   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2020 Apr 8, 12:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I clearly have said that in the 1950's the most people of the Soviet Russian society believed their BS government and I've stated that decade MULTIPLE times.

I believe you misinterpreted my tone - just pointing out that even a privileged Soviet individual believed the hype about the West, not trying to prove you wrong. And since you wrote it was spouted from radio, tv set I figured you were speaking from the 50's on, since TVs were not common even in the US during the 1950s.
41   richwicks   ignore (0)   2020 Apr 8, 12:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HeadSet says
I clearly have said that in the 1950's the most people of the Soviet Russian society believed their BS government and I've stated that decade MULTIPLE times.

I believe you misinterpreted my tone


Yes, I did. I was mistaken thinking I was talking to "TEOTWAWKI". I'm annoyed that I made that error and acted irrationally based on that assumption.

HeadSet says
just pointing out that even a privileged Soviet individual believed the hype about the West, not trying to prove you wrong. And since you wrote it was spouted from radio, tv set I figured you were speaking from the 50's on, since TVs were not common even in the US during the 1950s.


I think what is important to remember is that what was done to Soviet Citizens in the mid to late 20th century, is being done to us, now.

Propaganda is insidious in that it's very subtle and pervasive in our society today. The United States has changed tremendously since I was a child. I once asked my parents when the best decade of the United States was, they told me the 1950s. For me, I would judge it to be the 1990s. They see a continual decline just as I do.
42   covid_shmovid   ignore (5)   2020 Apr 8, 12:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

richwicks says
I think what is important to remember is that what was done to Soviet Citizens in the mid to late 20th century, is being done to us, now.


And I repeat: nobody was buying Soviet propaganda, especially in the mid to late 20th century. People in private settings were openly mocking all the bullshit they saw and heard on TV and radio. That regime was always held together by terror and repressions and once these were eased and eventually lifted it all went to the toilet, propaganda or no propaganda. You are reasoning on false premises from the lack of knowledge.
43   clambo   ignore (5)   2020 Apr 8, 1:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The true purpose of the lockdown is political; make more people dependent on the government and increase Democrat voters.

We could have all worn masks and gone to work, while telling geezers and the sick to stay away from restaurants and movies, etc.
44   richwicks   ignore (0)   2020 Apr 8, 1:41pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TEOTWAWKI says
richwicks says
I think what is important to remember is that what was done to Soviet Citizens in the mid to late 20th century, is being done to us, now.


And I repeat: nobody was buying Soviet propaganda, especially in the mid to late 20th century. People in private settings were openly mocking all the bullshit they saw and heard on TV and radio. That regime was always held together by terror and repressions and once these were eased and eventually lifted it all went to the toilet, propaganda or no propaganda. You are reasoning on false premises from the lack of knowledge.


This is incorrect.

Let me demonstrate this to you, personally. Who is your mayor? Who is your police commissioner? You have blind faith in your government, most people do, and the citizens of the USSR were no exception.

It wasn't until the 1970's citizens of the USSR were beginning to realize they were propagandized and lied to, in large numbers. It was a slow process. I'm amazed at how slow it was, but I live in the United States, and I'm witnessing the same thing. Russian Collusion? Assad is gassing his own people? Qaddafi is about to cause a humanitarian crisis? Ukraine had a revolution? Crimea was stolen by Russia? Russia invaded Georgia to attack S. Ossetia? Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Those are just a list of foreign policy lies - how about "diversity is our strength"? "Trump is a racist and misogynist"? It's internal as well.

I had family on the other side of the Iron Curtain, it wasn't until the early 1980's they became aware. That side of my family were from polish refugees from before WWII. They narrowly escaped the German invasion and the subsequent take over of their nation by Russia. They didn't know the problems until Lech Wałęsa started Solidarity. Movements only show up when it gets really bad, and even then, the government does everything they can to destroy the movement which is just a reform movement.

I knew people in this environment at the time. I don't think their situation was unique.

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