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Common Core Sucks

By NoCoupForYou follow NoCoupForYou   2020 Apr 7, 10:34am 279 views   8 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    

When a Finance MBA who produces pricing models has trouble coaching her elementary age children's homework in Common Core Math, it's time for a change.

When Veera Sinha was a little girl in India, her father asked his kids to solve math puzzles in their heads during dinner. That fond memory is one reason she grew to love numbers and got an MBA in finance. Yet when Sinha sits down to help her seven-year-old daughter Nevya with homework, she’s often stumped.

“My math background is entirely useless when trying to help my first grader with her homework,” says the Fremont mother of two, her voice thick with frustration. “I have to Google all of it.”

Eight years after California adopted new standards designed to boost students’ critical thinking and analytical skills, it’s become clear that a critical group was left behind in the push to implement Common Core: parents.


“I despise common core math,” says Katie O’Donnell, a pediatric respiratory therapist who lives in San Jose and often uses math at work. Though she loves volunteering in her son Nima’s class, she admits she sometimes ducks out early because she’s embarrassed that she has no explanations for students who ask for help.

“Nima knows that 23 minus 13 equals 10 and so do I, but neither of us understand the darn steps we are supposed to use to show how we got to that conclusion,” says O’Donnell. “The diagrams are absolutely insane.”

Her husband, an electrical engineer, doesn’t understand the diagrams either, she says. “We need a Common Core support group.”

Common Core: Pushing abstract reasoning on children too young to understand sarcasm and designed by EduAdmins and Textbook Publishers.

1   KgK one   ignore (0)   2020 Apr 7, 10:51am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Agree, some really dumb process. No wonder US is like 25th in world education, yet spends most.

They give 5 min homework.
2   Fortwaynemobile   ignore (3)   2020 Apr 7, 10:55am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

It’s fucking annoying and confusing overcomplixation.
3   Tenpoundbass   ignore (15)   2020 Apr 7, 10:56am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

It's Science Pigeon English.
4   Ceffer   ignore (5)   2020 Apr 7, 11:11am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Idiotic, ineffective schemes from vain, foolish central bureaucrats promulgated with expense and waste are the sine qua non of government.

I would bet that this scheme made somebody a pile of money and was justified as a way to overcome the cognitive deficiencies of the usual suspects.
5   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2020 Apr 7, 2:49pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I remember teachers using "Number Lines" in the first grade to teach simple addition and subtraction (for "5+8," start on 5, do three arcs to get 8). Once the kid gets the concept and has leaned how to add and subtract, a number line is no longer useful. A number line is just a more elaborate way to count on your fingers.
6   steverbeaver   ignore (1)   2020 Apr 7, 3:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I think we would be better served by "manipulatives" (physical representation of mathematical concept) and a stiff regimen of "rights but responsibilities". Oh yeah, and just leaving behind the nigs CC was created to cater towards (to lower the bar).
7   marcus   ignore (13)   2020 Apr 7, 3:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I wonder how many people here would get out a pencil, or use the pencil method in their mind if they were asked what 315 - 97 equals ? Or 63 - 29 ?

(I assure you that a lot of people are going to think about the first one as 215 + 3 and the second on as 30 + 4, that's what goes on in my mind when confront with this kind of simple arithmetic, and I didn't get the idea from common core - it's common sense mental arithmetic). Remember, when it's not simple, later, these kids will often be using a calculator.

You have to know the kids also learn the traditional method. This is an exercise about so called "mental math" I'm guessing for like 3rd grade or so ? Building number sense is important for a lot of reasons.

Bullshit outrage if you ask me. Not that I'm a big fan of common core. A big part of common core is that they are trying to make it uniform so that if people move their child will have close to the same grade level curriculum. Obviously some schools are going to have programs above grade level, especially in Math.

The other part of common core is f the lessons are sometimes silly (not so much in the in the case above imo.) . But they are designed to engage mathematical thinking and they are probably good for teachers that hate math and find it to be their least favorite thing to teach. Its annoying to teachers that have their own ideas about how to engage the kids. You can imagine trying to build discovery and or real life applications for every single thing students learn in say algebra. Sometimes memorization is totally the way to go, and common core in some cases tries too hard to support it with understanding when drills are actually going to be necessary and effective.

But it's not really that bad. High School teachers supplement with what they don't like the common core lessons. As for grade school, most of it's really not that bad.
8   WillPowers   ignore (0)   2020 Apr 7, 3:27pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I've been saying this for a long time and wrote a few articles on why Common Core is a bad method of teaching. I am more concerned about their revisionist history and indoctrination than I am about the math though.

From my article:

In my article, “Deep Equity,” I mentioned a relative who is putting her two children in a California elementary school that of course, uses Common Core standards. It is unbelievable to me that she is willing to give up parental rights to the school system, such as the right to know if your 12-year-old girl has been taken off-campus to get an abortion, if God forbid, that should happen.

The faulty reasoning used to convince her such policy was necessary would only benefit a small number of people, the victims of rape and incest, reasoning a parent should not be notified of their child's pregnancy, if the parent is responsible for the fetus. Should people give up their civil liberties for the sake of 3 to 8 percent of the population?

The reason I am telling you this is to illustrate how my relative is more accepting of these Standards than I, only because the educational system in this country has slowly, but steadily dumbed down the population since Horace Mann helped to adopt the Prussian education system in Massachusetts in 1852.

She went through the same mind control system that she is now sending her kids into. She doesn’t think they will turn out to be “drones,” as she put it, but being a drone is exactly what they will become, another cog in the machinery of the corporate controlled world we now live in. Most people are spinning away on someone else’s rat wheel, and being paid peanuts to do it, while the CEO is being paid 400 times more than the lowest paid employee in many cases.

If she sends her kids to a public school, she might as well grease them up, because they’re going to be working at the dildo factory. All they will get in public education is an indoctrination.


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