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For the tenth time.

This guy is turning out to be a better actor than Jeff Sessions. Jeff at least made it understood he didn't plan on doing a damn thing.

Barr is a pontificating mealy mouthed ass bag. Until further notice.

Our constitutional Bill of Rights supersedes an executive order by a state governor.

But I don't want to be the supreme court test case.

Tenpoundbass says

Barr is a pontificating mealy mouthed ass bag. Until further notice.

Yeah, why hasn't he prosecuted any swamp critters?

It's only suspended for important things like Epstein.

Onvacation says

Our constitutional Bill of Rights supersedes an executive order by a state governor.

But I don't want to be the supreme court test case.

That's just it. And whoever wants to be the test dummy to prove your point, is going to spend boatloads of money on attorneys. And by the time it gets to a decision, this will long be over. Someone with deep pockets needs to test this though. Otherwise is can happen again and again.

WookieMan says

Onvacation says

Our constitutional Bill of Rights supersedes an executive order by a state governor.

But I don't want to be the supreme court test case.

That's just it. And whoever wants to be the test dummy to prove your point, is going to spend boatloads of money on attorneys. And by the time it gets to a decision, this will long be over. Someone with deep pockets needs to test this though. Otherwise is can happen again and again.

That’s why the Second Ammendment is so important. If state governors want to be totalitarian dictators, people can refuse to obey and defend themselves against police and state officials who try to force compliance. At that point, the federal government MUST intervene and the people can get justice.

We might just get there in California and Colorado. People are pissed and feel completely unrepresented in our government. Newsome is a creepy fuck and we wouldn’t have elected him for dog catcher let alone governor. And we don’t respect his fucking edicts! #notmygovernor!

I like Barr, he’s right of course.

There is no pandemic where I am and they are still talking about another “health order”.

Shaman says

We might just get there in California and Colorado. People are pissed and feel completely unrepresented in our government.

Even the germaphobes I know are sick of this shit. I'm also up to 2 suicides to 2 tested people that have died. Friends of friends. Still don't personally know a single person that has tested positive.

5 total positive tests. At some point people have to go with their gut. The suicides would have never happened during normal times and the 2 covid deaths most certainly would have, just a bit earlier. So I'm at a rate of 100% senseless deaths to basically dead people dying a touch earlier....

Just wait until a spike in preventable deaths.

All the people who delayed their mammograms, their prostate exams, their kid's vaccinations to avoid "Covid Infested" Medical Facilities.

Diagnostic panels and cancer screenings typically performed during annual physician visits fell by as much as 68% nationally, and by even more in coronavirus hotspots.

These tests, office visits, surgeries and other medical care tied to them, are key sources of revenue for hospitals and healthcare systems that had to curb lucrative elective procedures to assure room for a crush of patients with COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus.

Millions of patients postponed tests considered crucial for detecting early signs of disease, monitoring its progression and improving patient outcomes, according to Komodo, which has one of the nation's largest medical claims data bases and provided its new findings exclusively to Reuters.

Cervical cancer screenings were down 68%, cholesterol panels fell by 67% and the blood sugar test to detect diabetes were off 65% nationally. This could all prove very costly down the road.

"We're seeing a tremendous impact on preventive care, as well as on chronic conditions with massive implications for the healthcare system," said Komodo Health Chief Executive Dr. Arif Nathoo. "It speaks volumes to just how much COVID is impacting everyone's health and wellness."

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/04/28/us/28reuters-health-coronavirus-usa-screenings-exclusive.html

I am overdue for a dental checkup, ear cleaning (chronic condition), and colonoscopy.

If I did not think it might detect more serious conditions I wouldn't mind skipping the colonoscopy.

Patrick says

Liberals are strangely quick to give up all of their rights and to demand that others' rights be violated as well.

Yeah, this statement is another one of those transparent BS statements designed to give "conservatives" (not the real ones) a false sense that their "team" is the one that honors freedom and the constitution. Meanwhile everyone knows that Trump would love nothing more than to claim a constitutional crisis to automatically extend his Presidency.

When China's President Jinping extended his term for life, Trump says, “I think it’s great. Maybe we’ll want to give that a shot someday.”

He got some of the right wing authoritarians on this forum all excited.

Shaman says

That’s why the Second Ammendment is so important. If state governors want to be totalitarian dictators, people can refuse to obey and defend themselves against police and state officials who try to force compliance. At that point, the federal government MUST intervene and the people can get justice.

Agreed. Guns are sadly necessary to defend ourselves from our own government. That's why the 2nd Amendment is in the Constitution in the first place. They had foresight.

Fortunately, the police are humans, and they can see for themselves that the extreme shrill paranoia is bullshit. They want to keep their jobs, but they have some leeway in how they enforce irrational dictatorial orders.

marcus says

When China's President Jinping extended his term for life, Trump: “I think it’s great. Maybe we’ll want to give that a shot someday.”

... he jokingly said. The Media needs to stop being dishonest or autistic in reporting clear sarcasm or humor.

Onvacation says

I am overdue for a dental checkup, ear cleaning (chronic condition), and colonoscopy.

@onvacation I can’t help with the colonoscopy or the dental checkup, but I might have a tip with the ear cleaning. I also have had lots of outer ear infections due to the dirty place I work and putting in ear plugs all the time. Here’s the trick:
Get yourself a large plastic syringe with a blunt plastic tip. Fill it with warm soapy water. Lean over the sink and blast it into your ear about as hard as you can depress the plunger. The hydraulic action will clean your ear out of anything. In there. I removed an eraser tip from my son’s ear this way once when everyone was saying it would take surgery. 5 minutes with the syringe and it popped right out. After that, hit the ear again with 20% vinegar to water mix and dry it off. You’ll be good as new.

NoCoupForYou says

... he jokingly said. The Media needs to stop being dishonest or autistic in reporting clear sarcasm or humor.

Peter Thiel said it best about Trump:

“I think one thing that should be distinguished here is that the media is always taking Trump literally. It never takes him seriously, but it always takes him literally. ... I think a lot of voters who vote for Trump take Trump seriously but not literally, so when they hear things like the Muslim comment or the wall comment, their question is not, ‘Are you going to build a wall like the Great Wall of China?’ or, you know, ‘How exactly are you going to enforce these tests?’ What they hear is we’re going to have a saner, more sensible immigration policy.”
https://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/09/peter-thiel-perfectly-summed-up-donald-trump-in-one-paragraph.html

That's a fantastic quote by Thiel. Spot on.

Onvacation says

am overdue for a dental checkup,

My wife is in need of work in this realm. I find it weird that certain people have vastly different teeth. Knock on wood, but I've yet to ever feel pain in my teeth. Not even the cold hitting the teeth that is a thing supposedly. I brush once daily (I know..... ewwwww gross mouth) but I've never had a problem. Why try to fix something that's not broken? Zero cavities, root canals, etc. to date in my lifetime. I'd say I'm winning.

Either way, everyone's mouth falls out at some point as well. Take care of it now, but understand it's preventative maintenance until dentures or implants.

Shaman says

blast it into your ear about as hard as you can depress the plunger.

I once had some improvised napkin earplug get impacted in my ear requiring medical help. The nurse used a large flush syringe which was effective. Problem was, she didn't purge the air out of the syringe so when she got to the end, the bubbles were threshold-of-pain loud!

Called into wife's health care provider and said no outstanding bills will be paid until she gets service. This is fucking leftoid bullshit.

Relevant parts of the Constitution
AMENDMENT I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

AMENDMENT V

..., nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law ...

AMENDMENT IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

AMENDMENT X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

One could argue that amendment X gives the states the right to lock us down. But I would argue that the earlier amendments override the orders of a tyrannical executive.

Onvacation says

Yeah, why hasn't he prosecuted any swamp critters?

He could at least be making good on his Violations of the Constitution Threats.

Onvacation says

One could argue that amendment X gives the states the right to lock us down. But I would argue that the earlier amendments override the orders of a tyrannical executive.

Absolutely!

Like the Fourteenth Amendment, the Fifth Amendment includes a due process clause stating that no person shall "be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." The Fifth Amendment's due process clause applies to the federal government, while the Fourteenth Amendment's due process clause applies to state governments. The Supreme Court has interpreted the Fifth Amendment's Due Process Clause as providing two main protections: procedural due process, which requires government officials to follow fair procedures before depriving a person of life, liberty, or property, and substantive due process, which protects certain fundamental rights from government interference. The Supreme Court has also held that the Due Process Clause contains a prohibition against vague laws...

We are all being deprived of liberty without having committed a crime.

The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution each contain a due process clause. Due process deals with the administration of justice and thus the due process clause acts as a safeguard from arbitrary denial of life, liberty, or property by the government outside the sanction of law.[1] The Supreme Court of the United States interprets the clauses broadly, concluding that these clauses provide three protections: procedural due process (in civil and criminal proceedings), substantive due process, a prohibition against vague laws, and as the vehicle for the incorporation of the Bill of Rights.

The clause in the Fifth Amendment reads:

No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.[2]

While the clause in the Fourteenth Amendment says:

...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.[3]

The states cannot legally deprive us of liberty without due process either. Nor can they use vague laws.

They even closed the tennis courts here. What the actual fuck..

We shall see what a great constitutionalist Barr (and the P. net Trump lovers) is when Trump tries to 1. Fuck with the election timing and or 2. Stay in office after he loses (it was all rigged). Barr is one of those guys like Scalia was who uses the constitution (Bush V Gore) for his own political purposes and abuses it when it is to his political advantage.

rdm says

Stay in office after he loses

We hear this every election.
I know, maybe we should ask each candidate to promise to respect the results of the election.

Patrick says

The Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution each contain a due process clause. Due process deals with the administration of justice and thus the due process clause acts as a safeguard from arbitrary denial of life, liberty, or property by the government outside the sanction of law.[1] The Supreme Court of the United States interprets the clauses broadly, concluding that these clauses provide three protections: procedural due process (in civil and criminal proceedings), substantive due process, a prohibition against vague laws, and as the vehicle for the incorporation of the Bill of Rights.

The clause in the Fifth Amendment reads:

No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.[2]

While the clause in the Fourteenth Amendment says:

...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.[3]

The states cannot l...

Hate to say this, but the laws the States make are the "due process". It is up to the courts to determine if they are vague. Although, similar wording is in most State constitutions as to limits on State government authority.

When the Unconstitutional Lockdowns last a bit to long