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Outdoor tranmission of Wuhan virus is essentially impossible

By Patrick follow Patrick   2020 May 12, 12:19pm 605 views   27 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


https://www.sfgate.com/science/article/China-study-suggests-outdoor-transmission-of-15229649.php

A study of COVID-19 outbreaks in China earlier this year found that the virus is spread far more easily indoors than outdoors.

The findings raise the possibility that when authorities begin to relax shelter-in-place restrictions, some services — for example, restaurants or gyms — could resume at first as outdoor venues, assuming physical distancing measures were maintained.

For the study, which is not peer-reviewed and therefore not suitable as a guidance for clinical practice, researchers from three universities — the University of Hong Kong, Southeast University and Tsinghua University — identified 318 COVID-19 outbreaks involving 1,245 confirmed cases between Jan. 4 and Feb. 11. For the study’s purposes, an outbreak was defined as a cluster of three or more cases in which a common index patient is suspected.

The large majority of the outbreaks occurred at home (79.9%) and involved three to five cases. Public transport was the next highest source of outbreaks (34% — note that many outbreaks involved more than one venue category). Other venues included restaurants and cafeterias, entertainment (gyms, teahouses, barbershops), shopping (malls and markets) and miscellaneous.

The researchers concluded that the findings confirmed that sharing indoor space carries a major risk of infection. ...

Strikingly, only one instance of outdoor transmission — involving two men talking together in the village of Shangqiu, Henan province — was found “among our 7,324 identified cases in China with sufficient descriptions.”
1   clambo   ignore (5)   2020 May 12, 1:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

No shit.

The 6 foot distance from people who are outdoors is ridiculous.

I’m borderline geezer and I am not going around hugging strangers and I wear a mask in stores.

So far in Santa Cruz County: 1. 2 murdered 2. 1 killed by a shark 3. 2 died from the Wuhan virus.
2   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2020 May 12, 2:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

clambo says
So far in Santa Cruz County: 1. 2 murdered 2. 1 killed by a shark 3. 2 died from the Wuhan virus.


There is basically no Covid threat to Santa Cruz county. The public health response is pure bullshit at this point, but plenty of subscribers in the Holistic Karen community.

There was also a kid whose board was bitten by a shark a couple of weeks ago off Pleasure Point. He was unharmed.

My wife and I were walking around the day after, but I hadn't heard about the bitten surfboard. I saw some small seals on a rock and then, a huge gray lozenge breached the water close by the comparatively small seals on the rock. I told my wife I just saw a large shark. Then, we saw the red signs posted pointing out that a surfer had been attacked in the area.

Along with my mountain lion sightings in Pleasanton, as wells as wild pigs and turkeys, I am under the impression that Nature may be staging a comeback around here.
3   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 May 12, 6:41pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Ceffer says
The public health response is pure bullshit at this point


The "public health" response at this point is purely political, nothing to do with health.

Their goal is to destroy the economy, in a vain attempt to prevent Trump's re-election.

Their "15 days to flatten the curve" expired more than a month ago.
4   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2020 May 12, 6:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I wonder how many Public Health Officials have any medical training whatsoever beyond degrees in Administration or Political Science.
5   Shake85   ignore (0)   2020 May 12, 6:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Hasn't the entire civilized world launched a similar "public health" response? Are they in on it to torpedo Trumps re-election?
6   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 May 12, 7:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The globalists are global.

Note that Macron's problem with the populist "Yellow Vests" finally went away when he had this excuse to literally force them off the streets.
7   Shake85   ignore (0)   2020 May 12, 9:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Even Putin had a public health response. The thing is real. There would have been a lot more New Yorks without a response.
8   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 May 12, 10:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

It's real on the order of a bad flu.

Quite a lot of people die of the flu, 80,000 in 2018 alone.
9   Shake85   ignore (0)   2020 May 12, 10:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

No one really cared in 2018. So it ran its course. Imagine if this thing ran its course with no response. All dense places would be hurting
10   Shake85   ignore (0)   2020 May 12, 10:27pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The more effective the public health response is, the more useless they appear in hindsight. See it never really got that bad, wasn't worth it, some will think.
11   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2020 May 12, 10:51pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Shake85 says
The more effective the public health response is, the more useless they appear in hindsight. See it never really got that bad, wasn't worth it, some will think.


That assertion is disproven by comparing Sweden to other Western European countries, all of which have similar age distributions.

On top of the fact, not opinion, that COVID is simply not deadly under 50, and not very deadly to those over 50 without at least one major chronic condition.
12   Karloff   ignore (0)   2020 May 12, 10:52pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Actions taken by those in charge can always be justified, can't they? There's no dev environment for reality, so there's no way to test a different approach to something with all the same variables. No matter what the outcome, they can claim success, or if things still suck, that they did the right thing but "didn't do enough of it" (eg. quantitative easing)

Whenever something comes up to prove them wrong (eg. Sweden not locking down and doing just fine), they just claim "it's different" and wave their hands a bit.

So sick of these windbags and their bullshit.
13   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2020 May 12, 10:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Sweden only imposed some mask wearing in public and social distancing; everything stayed open INCLUDING K-12.


Median Ages:

France: 41.4
Belgium: 41.4
Sweden: 41.2
Netherlands: 41.6
UK: 40
Italy: 45
Spain: 42
USA: 38
Canada: 40

Note also that the US, which doesn't have national health insurance AND has an incentive for States/Hospitals to lie and exaggerate for extra money, has almost 1/3rd the cases of Europe and Canada.
14   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 May 20, 12:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Has there been even one proven instance of transmission of the Wuhan virus outdoors in the US?
15   Onvacation   ignore (5)   2020 May 20, 12:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Trump saved 2 million Americans by shutting down. Now that we flattened the curve it's time to end the lockdown. Fuck the masks too!
16   mell   ignore (6)   2020 May 20, 1:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
Has there been even one proven instance of transmission of the Wuhan virus outdoors in the US?


No.
17   Onvacation   ignore (5)   2020 May 20, 1:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

logic says


If only we had more of a social democracy like Sweden does.

Our country's founding fathers were against democracy for a reason. Sane intelligent people are against socialism for a reason.
18   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2020 May 20, 1:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

logic says
If only we had more of a social democracy like Sweden does.


Sweden has a level of authoritarianism Americans can't take.

Great example: Removing Shoes isn't a Scandinavian Custom. It was required in the 1920s-1930s when the Swedish Government built affordable housing, and your home had to be inspected regularly for cleanliness. You were required to take off your shoes, open your windows at certain times, have no unwashed dishes. Sweden was also Nazi-Friendly Neutral (like Spain and Ireland) in the 1930s and 40s.

Sweden is completely Pozzed when it comes to Rapefugees and Tranny and Feminist Propaganda, and they regularly fine people for Freedom of Speech.
19   Onvacation   ignore (5)   2020 May 20, 1:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

logic says

I keep hearing what a great job Sweden has done maybe we should look at how it worked so well for them and emulate those qualities?

No thanks. I prefer America.
20   Rb6d   ignore (0)   2020 May 20, 1:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

logic says
I keep hearing what a great job Sweden has done maybe we should look at how it worked so well for them and emulate those qualities?

We should emulate them in some ways, such as not shutting down country because of a common cold.
21   MisdemeanorRebel   ignore (3)   2020 May 20, 1:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rd6B says

We should emulate them in some ways, such as not shutting down country because of a common cold.


Exactly. Just because Hitler funded an anti-Smoking campaign, doesn't mean we need to create a Gestapo or huge regulatory apparatus for Handymen.
23   CBOEtrader   ignore (6)   2020 May 20, 1:54pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

logic says
I guess Nancy pelosi's street party in China Town wasn't such a big deal after all.


no, just deeply hypocritical as compared to her rhetoric.
24   mell   ignore (6)   2020 May 20, 2:00pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

CBOEtrader says
logic says
I guess Nancy pelosi's street party in China Town wasn't such a big deal after all.


no, just deeply hypocritical as compared to her rhetoric.


That and it has a massive amount of people standing densely right next to each other. Way different from playing tennis, basket ball, or going to the beach. It's a daft observation.
25   EBGuy   ignore (1)   2020 May 20, 2:10pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Sweden has experienced a sharp rise in explosions in recent years, predominantly related to conflicts between warring criminal gangs. The use of explosives in the Nordic country is now at a level that is unique in the world for a state not at war, according to police.
26   WookieMan   ignore (6)   2020 May 20, 2:24pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

logic says
I guess Nancy pelosi's street party in China Town wasn't such a big deal after all.

I scanned quickly, so maybe I missed it. What does Nancy Pelosi have to do with the topic? You talk about straw men all the time. You're clearly intentionally trying to derail threads/topics at this point in my opinion. To what end I don't know. Clearly seems like a game at this point. It's been a long time, but I'm getting close to hitting the ignore button.
27   WookieMan   ignore (6)   2020 May 20, 5:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

logic says
This is on topic. Key words street party(think outside). Is the topic not about how hard it is for virus to be transmitted outside?

Nope. Wrong. Nothing to do with Nancy Pelosi. Keep trying.

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