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scientists state observations of COVID-19 that imply it was man made

By ad follow ad   2020 May 18, 6:42pm 522 views   29 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


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This may explain perhaps why the COVID-19 is man-made and was created as a bio weapon.



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1   just_adhom_preaching   ignore (6)   2020 May 18, 6:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Nah, it's natural. Bad but natural. Lots of natural baddies out there.

Consider that a 2nd opinion from a genetics scientist.
2   ad   ignore (0)   2020 May 18, 6:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Even the Washington Post reported about a month ago that its editorial board was skeptical that it naturally originated from animals and from a wet market.


"But how did the outbreak occur? Solving this medical mystery is important to prevent future pandemics. What’s increasingly clear is that the initial “origin story” — that the virus was spread by people who ate contaminated animals at the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan — is shaky."
-Washington Post
3   just_adhom_preaching   ignore (6)   2020 May 18, 7:02pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Dude, you can listen to the news bullshitters all you want but I'm an expert and I know a hellava lot of other experts in genomes and there is 99.99% consensus among us. Nothing in that genome is smelly. No adapter left over no weirdness that you might see in any sort of splice site. I'm leaving the 0.01% up there for that lab in India that started this tripe but pulled their research paper after they were basically laughed off of the planet.

It's just some natural shit that got out.

Now, on the other hand, I do think they were fucking with it in the Wuhan lab. Only a couple of weeks ago they FINALLY took down the job adds asking for Westerners to come help them sort out animal to human corona virus infection research. Those adds were from last year.

People are giving them too much credit.
4   just_adhom_preaching   ignore (6)   2020 May 18, 7:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

This paper has a comments section:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v2

It was chock full of bioinformatics (genetics) scientists laughing at them. Now that it's withdrawn the comments were deleted. Just one now from some Chinese scientist.

That's it. That's all that was really out there that suggested man-made.
6   just_adhom_preaching   ignore (6)   2020 May 18, 7:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

FWIW, I like your posts and don't blame the general public for falling for this.
7   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2020 May 18, 7:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

If a person in a lab takes a naturally occurring virus that is capable of reproduction in a bat cell host, and then infects liver cells from a different species, and then lung cells from another species, and so on, and over the course of these “experiments” the virus evolves cell adhesion proteins that enable it to infect human cells, would it really be considered naturally occurring?
8   mell   ignore (6)   2020 May 18, 7:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Agreed, it's also a lot of sensationalism. Most viruses can give a certain percentage of patients lasting and crazy symptoms, there's the blanket diagnosis for post-viral fatigue for example. CMV can be totally harmless and it can also cause pericarditis for some and even cause death, EBV has such a wide variety of symptoms you'd fill a whole thread to list them. The swine-flu had a whole range of symptoms, some people became violently ill and some slowly and chronically. There are co-morbidities, co-infections and genetics that play a role how a patient responds to a virus. It's just that they're focusing now on Covid-19 that they put every patient under a microscope. Another example is the loss of sense of smell I'm calling bullshit on, that's pretty much what happens with every major cold, can't really smell much and food tastes mostly bland. It could have come from a lab but I doubt it's therefore very special. One thing it seems to be is highly infectious so if you have enough patients you probably observe a whole boatload of different symptoms.
9   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2020 May 18, 7:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

mell says
It could have come from a lab but I doubt it's therefore very special.


In the same sense there's nothing special about intentionally poisoning the well.
10   just_adhom_preaching   ignore (6)   2020 May 18, 7:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

PeopleUnited says
If a person in a lab takes a naturally occurring virus that is capable of reproduction in a bat cell host, and then infects liver cells from a different species, and then lung cells from another species, and so on, and over the course of these “experiments” the virus evolves cell adhesion proteins that enable it to infect human cells, would it really be considered naturally occurring?


Ahhh... Sneaky... The man finds a grey area.. I like that!
11   just_adhom_preaching   ignore (6)   2020 May 18, 7:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

mell says
Another example is the loss of sense of smell I'm calling bullshit on, that's pretty much what happens with every major cold


First time I ever lost smell sense was 2nd week of Jan 2020. I apparently incorrectly thought it was probably covid but the test I took over the weekend says otherwise.

I guess it was probably just a nasty flu.

I was smoking some ribs on the 5th day and realized I couldn't smell the smoke!
12   just_adhom_preaching   ignore (6)   2020 May 18, 7:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Funny... This link worked 30mins ago:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871v1?versioned=true

Isn't working for me anymore.
13   just_adhom_preaching   ignore (6)   2020 May 18, 7:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Microbes pass around DNA/RNA like we do dollah dollah bills...
14   EBGuy   ignore (1)   2020 May 18, 7:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The Professors in Exile give an evolutionary biological take on the question of what it mean if the Wuhan Enigma Virus came from a lab (inadvertently released from "change of function research"),
15   mell   ignore (6)   2020 May 18, 8:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

just_dregalicious says
mell says
Another example is the loss of sense of smell I'm calling bullshit on, that's pretty much what happens with every major cold


First time I ever lost smell sense was 2nd week of Jan 2020. I apparently incorrectly thought it was probably covid but the test I took over the weekend says otherwise.

I guess it was probably just a nasty flu.

I was smoking some ribs on the 5th day and realized I couldn't smell the smoke!


Ironically too much of the good zinc can cause the loss of smell or taste, mostly temporarily but even permanently. The warning is on all the OTC lozenges.
16   just_adhom_preaching   ignore (6)   2020 May 18, 9:30pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

mell says
Ironically too much of the good zinc can cause the loss of smell or taste, mostly temporarily but even permanently. The warning is on all the OTC lozenges.


Yup, zinc nose sprays are what did my dad in. I'm not opposed to zinc in the right situation but have never used it.
17   just_adhom_preaching   ignore (6)   2020 May 18, 9:33pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

EBGuy says
The Professors in Exile


Interesting video... They mention parsimony up-front which is where I lean but I suppose anything is possible.

There is no evidence anyone was engineering this thing but they bring up many possibilities where that wouldn't be obvious. Along the lines of what PeepsUnido was suggesting above.

So very probably not but possible. Even then it's more of a case where the asshoes blew up something in space and made lots of junk rather than a malicious thing. I wouldn't be surprised by that at all.
18   Ceffer   ignore (4)   2020 May 18, 10:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The Covids that came from bats were bat-made. However, the Covids that spread through people were definitely man made.
19   just_adhom_preaching   ignore (6)   2020 May 19, 9:12am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

And the covids spread through batmans were batman made.
21   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2020 May 19, 1:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

just_dregalicious says
And the covids spread through batmans were batman made


Ceffer says
Exactly.


In Guam.
22   EBGuy   ignore (1)   2020 May 19, 4:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Concerns about gain of function research (circa 2015). You can see why the virology community might be in denial and circling the wagons.
Dr. Yoshihiro Kawaoka, from the University of Wisconsin-Madison, classified types of GoF research depending on the outcome of the experiments. The first category, which he called “gain of function research of concern,” includes the generation of viruses with properties that do not exist in nature. The now famous example he gave is the production of H5N1 influenza A viruses that are airborne-transmissible among ferrets, compared to the non-airborne transmissible wild type. The second category deals with the generation of viruses that may be more pathogenic and/or transmissible than the wild type viruses but are still comparable to or less problematic than those existing in nature. Kawaoka argued that the majority of strains studied have low pathogenicity, but mutations found in natural isolates will improve their replication in mammalian cells. Finally, the third category, which is somewhere in between the two first categories, includes the generation of highly pathogenic and/or transmissible viruses in animal models that nevertheless do not appear to be a major public health concern. An example is the high-growth A/PR/8/34 influenza strain found to have increased pathogenicity in mice but not in humans.
23   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (1)   2020 May 19, 5:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

just_dregalicious says
Nah, it's natural. Bad but natural. Lots of natural baddies out there.

Consider that a 2nd opinion from a genetics scientist.
How about the possibility that it was selectively bred, like humans have been doing to plants and animals for thousands of years (either intentionally or not).
24   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2020 Sep 15, 12:29am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/rogue-chinese-virologist-joins-twitter-publishes-evidence-covid-19-created-lab

Chinese scientist defects and blows the whistle on true origins of SARS 2. Drumrolls.... A Chinese lab in Wuhan working with Chinese military owned bat virus template.
25   mell   ignore (6)   2020 Sep 15, 8:17am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The evidence continues to grow that it could be lab made. Generally I go with nature made by Occam's razor, but you can't put it past the CCP.
26   indc   ignore (0)   2020 Sep 15, 8:31am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

mell says
The evidence continues to grow that it could be lab made. Generally I go with nature made by Occam's razor, but you can't put it past the CCP.


I think Occam's razor suggests its lab made. If it was supposed to be from nature it should have gone through many coincidences to be at this stage.
27   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Sep 15, 8:45am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I had a student job offer to work in a rhinovirus lab at U. Michigan, and was told that pretty much everyone who worked there would get colds as a result, because the virus was so hard to contain and so infectious.

I didn't take the job.
28   Rin   ignore (8)   2020 Sep 16, 12:27am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
U. Michigan


I wish my company had set up that backoffice in Ann Arbor, as I'd drive the hour to Windsor Ontario, poke a hoe, and be back to work in the morning.
29   epitaph   ignore (0)   2020 Sep 16, 4:55am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

My best guess is that it was just poor Chinese security protocol that allowed the virus to be released. I don't think it's a bioweapon but everything that I've read about the RNA sequencing suggests it was man made.

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