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33   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2020 May 23, 12:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I might have had COVID-19. I'll never know because I was never tested.
34   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2020 May 23, 2:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

It's pretty steady down here. Plenty of traffic again.

What's funny is that rush hour doesn't really start in the morning as people are going in a lot later. Coming home I was in 2 jams the other day.
35   mell   ignore (4)   2020 May 23, 2:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Over the years unless it's magically going away probably up to 50% of the population will at some point come in contact with it. Move on and live your life. Get over it.
36   ThreeBays   ignore (3)   2020 May 23, 2:36pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
Stop focusing on new cases as there's more testing! This isn't complicated. I just posted a graph from the same source for deaths. That IS the scary part of this virus and it's clearly going away.


Given the lag we should not expect the deaths graph to reflect a second wave for at least another week.
37   rdm   ignore (2)   2020 May 23, 6:13pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
Given the lag we should not expect the deaths graph to reflect a second wave for at least another week.


Ah it doesn't really matter does it? Why bother with the graphs, facts, science? Who the fuck cares if a bunch of old useless pieces of dried up shit croak in a nursing home, we've moved past that point. Its about Jesus, abortion and being able to go the Olive Garden whenever and however we feel the urgent need for unlimited bread sticks in other words, FREEDOM. The rest of the pussies that make up this country can just eat shit and die. I got my hydroxy, my clorox injection and my government cheese. So just piss off bitches.
38   Shaman   ignore (2)   2020 May 23, 6:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rdm says
Who the fuck cares if a bunch of old useless pieces of dried up shit croak in a nursing home,


They’re going to die of something, might as well be the Rona
39   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 May 24, 8:46am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rdm says
Ah it doesn't really matter does it? Why bother with the graphs, facts, science? Who the fuck cares if a bunch of old useless pieces of dried up shit croak in a nursing home, we've moved past that point. Its about Jesus, abortion and being able to go the Olive Garden whenever and however we feel the urgent need for unlimited bread sticks in other words, FREEDOM. The rest of the pussies that make up this country can just eat shit and die. I got my hydroxy, my clorox injection and my government cheese. So just piss off bitches.


The people ponying up the graphs, facts, science in this thread and others are the Shutdown Skeptics.

Shutdown Advocates are simply making arguments from authorities, authorities whose models and theories are already proven beyond wrong by the actual observations from the real world.

I'm sorry this isn't the Crisis of Capitalism and Trump Busting atrocity for you.
40   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2020 May 24, 9:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rdm says
Its about Jesus, abortion and being able to go the Olive Garden whenever and however we feel the urgent need for unlimited bread sticks in other words, FREEDOM. The rest of the pussies that make up this country can just eat shit and die. I got my hydroxy, my clorox injection and my government cheese. So just piss off bitches.

There's pills for that:



Or when you need MAGA strength:

41   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2020 May 24, 1:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
Given the lag we should not expect the deaths graph to reflect a second wave for at least another week.

Not true at all. Anyone needing or receiving critical care, close to death, has likely been tested days if not weeks ago. Basically there's a high probability that we know when someone passes if they have COVID-19 or not. Those numbers cannot lag as much as fresh cases.

And if people are dying before results get back, then they were basically dead anyway. COVID-19 likely wasn't the cause. This is all pretty basic stuff.
42   ThreeBays   ignore (3)   2020 May 24, 2:46pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NoCoupForYou says
The people ponying up the graphs, facts, science in this thread and others are the Shutdown Skeptics.


The shutdown skeptics put up graphs of the case trend, and then when the same graphs surged up suddenly those graphs are no longer valid. I wonder when the death graph starts trending up what the new arguments will be?
43   ThreeBays   ignore (3)   2020 May 24, 3:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
Not true at all. Anyone needing or receiving critical care, close to death, has likely been tested days if not weeks ago. Basically there's a high probability that we know when someone passes if they have COVID-19 or not. Those numbers cannot lag as much as fresh cases.


It takes an average of 5 days to become symptomatic, 18 days from symptoms to death, and some number of days lag in reporting of the death. This lag can be easily seen if you watch numbers being filled in.
44   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 May 24, 7:36pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
The shutdown skeptics put up graphs of the case trend, and then when the same graphs surged up suddenly those graphs are no longer valid. I wonder when the death graph starts trending up what the new arguments will be?


Uh, The moving average for Georgia has been trending downwards sharply for 3 weeks now, according to this graph in this post just above:
https://patrick.net/post/1332334/?c=1672383
45   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 May 24, 7:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

And here's another source, showing the same.




The plateau was over a month ago.
46   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 May 24, 7:42pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Another thing we learned: The US Health Care System dealt with COVID better than Western Europe:

47   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 May 24, 7:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

And finally, lockdowns didn't work to prevent the spread:


The US, Sweden, and UK were all effected about the same time (Western Europe was a week or so earlier)

Sweden, which didn't lockdown, only mild social distancing enforced and large public events cancelled, experienced the same trend as the US and UK, which did
48   mell   ignore (4)   2020 May 24, 8:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The narrative instilled in people's minds by the lamestream media and certain leftoids is now that Sweden is a failure because they have a moderate to high infection/death rate compared to other countries, however they are somewhere around 5-10 in the top 10 with many countries with strict lockdowns with higher rates in front of them. Nonetheless I have heard that argument now at least 5 times and always had to correct them that there's zero statistical significance in those varations.
49   ThreeBays   ignore (3)   2020 May 24, 10:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

mell says
The narrative instilled in people's minds by the lamestream media and certain leftoids is now that Sweden is a failure because they have a moderate to high infection/death rate compared to other countries, however they are somewhere around 5-10 in the top 10 with many countries with strict lockdowns with higher rates in front of them. Nonetheless I have heard that argument now at least 5 times and always had to correct them that there's zero statistical significance in those varations.


Sweden should be compared to other Nordic countries, not to countries that were hit by an earlier wave with higher traffic. Sweden already has 5 to 10 times more deaths per capita than its bordering neighbors (Denmark, Norway, Finland).
50   mell   ignore (4)   2020 May 24, 11:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
mell says
The narrative instilled in people's minds by the lamestream media and certain leftoids is now that Sweden is a failure because they have a moderate to high infection/death rate compared to other countries, however they are somewhere around 5-10 in the top 10 with many countries with strict lockdowns with higher rates in front of them. Nonetheless I have heard that argument now at least 5 times and always had to correct them that there's zero statistical significance in those varations.


Sweden should be compared to other Nordic countries, not to countries that were hit by an earlier wave with higher traffic. Sweden already has 5 to 10 times more deaths per capita than its bordering neighbors (Denmark, Norway, Finland).


Sweden has 1.5 x cases per capita than Denmark and twice those of Norway and Finland, nothing to see here. And guess what, the population density per square mile is roughly twice as much for Sweden than for Norway and Finland - who da thunk! The death rate largely depends on age, comorbidites and quality of care. It varies a lot in between those 4 countries relative to infections. I'm sure if you account for missed critical diagnosis for heart disease and cancer, lost economic livelihoods, increases in depression, drug use and suicide, then keeping the economy and hospitals open comes out ahead.
51   mell   ignore (4)   2020 May 25, 8:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Recovered cases are closing in on 50% of active cases. This is over very soon.
52   rdm   ignore (2)   2020 May 25, 9:12am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
I wonder when the death graph starts trending up what the new arguments will be?


With Trump already doubting the death numbers, I think you have your answer.

mell says
. This is over very soon

Are you heading for the convention in NC? What's the motto going to be "Give me a full arena or give me death" and or "Give me a full arena and give me death" ?
53   Onvacation   ignore (6)   2020 May 25, 9:19am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rdm says
"Give me a full arena or give me death" and or "Give me a full arena and give me death" ?

How long are people going to act like this cold is Ebola wrapped in AIDS? It's a serious cold that won't kill most people EVEN IF they catch it. For many that do catch it it's not that serious.
54   mell   ignore (4)   2020 May 25, 9:37am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rdm says
ThreeBays says
I wonder when the death graph starts trending up what the new arguments will be?


With Trump already doubting the death numbers, I think you have your answer.

mell says
. This is over very soon

Are you heading for the convention in NC? What's the motto going to be "Give me a full arena or give me death" and or "Give me a full arena and give me death" ?


Healthcare Frontline workers have a lower infection rate than the rest of the population. Wear a mask indoors or at a close contact gathering. Case closed.
55   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   ignore (6)   2020 May 25, 10:17am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

mell says
ThreeBays says
mell says
The narrative instilled in people's minds by the lamestream media and certain leftoids is now that Sweden is a failure because they have a moderate to high infection/death rate compared to other countries, however they are somewhere around 5-10 in the top 10 with many countries with strict lockdowns with higher rates in front of them. Nonetheless I have heard that argument now at least 5 times and always had to correct them that there's zero statistical significance in those varations.


Sweden should be compared to other Nordic countries, not to countries that were hit by an earlier wave with higher traffic. Sweden already has 5 to 10 times more deaths per capita than its bordering neighbors (Denmark, Norway, Finland).


Sweden has 1.5 x cases per capita than Denmark and twice those...


Maybe 3 bays can explain why LA County has multiple times more per capita cases and deaths than any of the surrounding counties in CA
56   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2020 May 25, 10:26am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rdm says
ThreeBays says
I wonder when the death graph starts trending up what the new arguments will be?


With Trump already doubting the death numbers, I think you have your answer.

Give us information that says deaths are going up and GA is in the midst of some massive 2nd wave and you can shut us up pretty quickly. There is none. So you guys just say we're all wrong with no data and say something about lag in testing when likely 80-90% of those that pass or receive critical care have already been tested.

New cases are vastly different than deaths. No need to have a Ph.D. or be a scientist. It's a word on a fucking death certificate.
57   rdm   ignore (2)   2020 May 25, 11:29am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

mell says
Wear a mask indoors or at a close contact gathering


So you think all the loyal Trumpists will be wearing masks at the convention?
58   mell   ignore (4)   2020 May 25, 11:34am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rdm says
mell says
Wear a mask indoors or at a close contact gathering


So you think all the loyal Trumpists will be wearing masks at the convention?


No probably not. But it's their decision. As long as nobody infects another knowingly against their will there's no grounds for government interference.
59   Booger   ignore (7)   2020 May 25, 2:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
Maybe 3 bays can explain why LA County has multiple times more per capita cases and deaths than any of the surrounding counties in CA


Higher percentage of illegals explains this. When you are living 15 people to a house, it spreads easily inside the house.
61   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   ignore (6)   2020 May 25, 3:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Booger says
FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
Maybe 3 bays can explain why LA County has multiple times more per capita cases and deaths than any of the surrounding counties in CA


Higher percentage of illegals explains this. When you are living 15 people to a house, it spreads easily inside the house.


I don’t know about illegals, but number of blue collar workers in a household is the most plausible explanation I’ve heard this far.

Dr Ferrer (lol she’s not actually a medical doctor) of LA county has said that more than 50% of their cases are from elder care facilities. I’d be very interested to find out how many of the other cases are in households where a resident works in an elder care facility.
62   Booger   ignore (7)   2020 May 25, 3:36pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
Dr Ferrer (lol she’s not actually a medical doctor) of LA county has said that more than 50% of their cases are from elder care facilities. I’d be very interested to find out how many of the other cases are in households where a resident works in an elder care facility.


My guess is that an expensive place to live, like LA, has a below average number of people living in nursing homes.
63   rdm   ignore (2)   2020 May 25, 3:44pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

mell says
No probably not. But it's their decision. As long as nobody infects another knowingly against their will there's no grounds for government interference.


Well I don't think hardly anybody wants to be infected, so that part of your quasi libertarian statement is irrelevant. And since unless one has been tested one cannot know if one has the virus it is sort of ridiculous to use the term knowingly infected, as if someone with aids corn holed you. 35% asymptomatic, many with mild symptoms one simply, in most cases can't know. But one can assume that a certain % of convention goers almost certainly will be contagious. Yeah the government has a role to play here, who is going to clean up the mess when the old, fat, diabetic Republicans on medicare end up on ventilators?
64   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   ignore (6)   2020 May 25, 3:46pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Booger says
FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
Dr Ferrer (lol she’s not actually a medical doctor) of LA county has said that more than 50% of their cases are from elder care facilities. I’d be very interested to find out how many of the other cases are in households where a resident works in an elder care facility.


My guess is that an expensive place to live, like LA, has a below average number of people living in nursing homes.


The hyper expensive market has only been active for about 5 years. Pre 2001 or so, and again from 2010-2012 both rents and sales prices were remarkably low.

Los Angeles has far more nursing homes — 388 — than any other county in the state. San Diego, the state's second most populous county with about a third of LA's population, has about one-fifth as many nursing homes.


https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/coronavirus/density-poverty-keep-los-angeles-struggling-against-virus/2367491/
65   mell   ignore (4)   2020 May 25, 3:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rdm says
mell says
No probably not. But it's their decision. As long as nobody infects another knowingly against their will there's no grounds for government interference.


Well I don't think hardly anybody wants to be infected, so that part of your quasi libertarian statement is irrelevant. And since unless one has been tested on cannot know if one has the virus it is sort of ridiculous to use the term knowingly infected, as if someone with aids corn holed you. 35% asymptomatic, many with mild symptoms one simply, in most cases can't know. But one can assume that a certain % of convention goers almost certainly will be contagious. Yeah the government has a role to play here, who is going to clean up the mess when the old, fat, diabetic Republicans on medicare end up on ventilators?


Less money to pay out for social security, what's the problem? That was my point there should be no interference, if you go to the event without a mask you're willingly taking a small risk like people do every day with their decisions. Nothing to see here.
66   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 May 25, 4:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
I don’t know about illegals, but number of blue collar workers in a household is the most plausible explanation I’ve heard this far.

Dr Ferrer (lol she’s not actually a medical doctor) of LA county has said that more than 50% of their cases are from elder care facilities. I’d be very interested to find out how many of the other cases are in households where a resident works in an elder care facility.


It kind of makes sense that cases could go from nursing homes to crowded blue collar houses and back again, because nursing home care is typically a pretty low paid occupation.
67   mell   ignore (4)   2020 May 25, 5:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Futures up and another record low infection / death day. This thing is over don't cling to it.
68   ThreeBays   ignore (3)   2020 May 25, 9:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

mell says
Sweden has 1.5 x cases per capita than Denmark and twice those of Norway and Finland, nothing to see here.


You're countering deaths per capita with cases per capita? You can't be serious.
69   mell   ignore (4)   2020 May 25, 9:35pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
mell says
Sweden has 1.5 x cases per capita than Denmark and twice those of Norway and Finland, nothing to see here.


You're countering deaths per capita with cases per capita? You can't be serious.


Density. Pay attention. Infections and deaths of course are correlated as well but not as strongly as infections and deaths to density.
70   ThreeBays   ignore (3)   2020 May 25, 10:29pm     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag      

mell says
Density. Pay attention. Infections and deaths of course are correlated as well but not as strongly as infections and deaths to density.


Sweden has 10 times more deaths per capita than Norway and Finland, and 4 times more than Denmark which has a higher population density than Sweden.

Not to mention these figures are continuing to increase faster than any other country.

Density wise Sweden is also much lower than France, and it's on track to pass it in total deaths per capita in a week or so.

Nothing to see here??????
71   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2020 May 26, 6:14am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
Density wise Sweden is also much lower than France, and it's on track to pass it in total deaths per capita in a week or so.

You realize within every country there are very dense areas called cities, right? If one of these dense areas has a high population of the demographic that is vulnerable, they will have more deaths. Montana has 15/M deaths while NY has 1,507/M deaths. What is the difference between these two locations? I know this has been posted multiple times here, but just use the sort functions and look at the states with some of the worse cases per million. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

Everyone is painting with too broad a brush with this virus. Montana should have never been closed down for the short time it was. NY should have been shut down way earlier. This is part of the reason it seems like Trump is passing the blame to governors. Well it's true. They're going to know their state substantially better than the federal government. It was the right response to let the states do what they deemed best, because they know better. Not federal big brother.
72   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 May 26, 9:34am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

ThreeBays says
Sweden has 10 times more deaths per capita than Norway and Finland, and 4 times more than Denmark which has a higher population density than Sweden.

... and 20%+ less than Belgium, France, Italy without a harsh lockdown.

How is Denmark, Norway, and Finland counting? Are they counting like France, US, UK, or are they counting like Germany?

Sure, if you include the Northern Half of Sweden which is Ass Numbing Cold, where nobody lives. Swedish cities on the Baltic and Kattegat, where the vast majority of the population lives, are fairly dense.

About 90% of the 3,700 people who have died from coronavirus in Sweden were over 70, and half were living in care homes, according to a study from Sweden’s National Board of Health and Welfare at the end of April.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/16/across-the-world-figures-reveal-horrific-covid-19-toll-of-care-home-deaths#maincontent

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