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I Don't Personally Know Anyone Who Contracted Covid

By NuttBoxer follow NuttBoxer   2020 May 21, 12:15am 345 views   28 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


Same with Pig, Bird, Sars, Ebola, and every other disease they've tried to scare us with for the past decade. During this time I've lived in two major US cities in two different states. I do know two people who lost their jobs due to Covid, my sister in Michigan, and my daughter. If Covid is as dangerous as they make it out, I should personally know at least one person who caught it. But so far I see zero justification for laying of 20% of the workforce, and putting them on government welfare.

I don't wear a face mask in public, or indoors unless requested to. Even if there's a sign, I make them tell me at least once, and half the time they don't say anything. Enforcement of the rules/guidelines/whatever is highly irregular due to all the conflicting statutes between private business, the many levels of government, and the high level of distrust everyone has of government.

I go out whenever I want to, as far as I want to. When we go out our youngest is always with us as she is less than a year. I have zero concern about my family getting sick because we have for the past 10 years practiced prevention. We don't have health insurance, don't need it.

Last weekend I saw many people out at Balboa Park. All of them kept a respectful distance, some even from others in their group. People are not stupid, they do not need government to tell them how to stay healthy.

A life lived in fear isn't worth living. The media and government are full of shit. Everyone I've talked to says the same. God made this a world centered around relationship. Go out and live!

1   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 May 21, 12:18am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I don't know anybody either, and my Uncle is in a Bronx Assisted Living and my Mother in a Florida Retirement Community. Not even among the elderly, and they gossip like no tomorrow, not even a hint of somebody maybe having it.
2   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 May 21, 1:54am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Same here.

We also know absolutely no one who got it. Or any of the #fearporn diseases.
3   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 May 21, 2:03am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I'd be too worried about insurance to go without it though.

What if something does happen and you suddenly get bills for half a million? The bills are deliberately far higher for people without insurance. It takes a lot of guts to bet they won't sue.

Then again, a doctor who once posted here said that the medical industry is not generally in the business of suing sick people. Looks bad.
4   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch   ignore (53)   2020 May 21, 4:51am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Just got off the phone with a business partner and he and his wife had it and his sister is going on week seven.

Fevers that won't go away and some barphing. He and wife got the test at a place in Fremont and they have anti-bodies.
5   clambo   ignore (5)   2020 May 21, 8:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I know one.

She had a mild case, didn’t know what she had until they tested her.

Outpatient, not a big deal, but she is a drama seeker and told me “I hope I don’t lose my life!”
6   willywonka   ignore (6)   2020 May 21, 8:28am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I had a massive shit after some homemade Indian food last night. I am concerned!!!!
7   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2020 May 21, 8:41am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

When was the last time anyone here went to the doc for a flu like illness anyway? I've gone for other reasons, but I haven't been in over 2 decades for illnesses that are similar to COVID-19 or flu. You feel like shit and just chill at home. Rest a lot, but do what you can while you feel less shitty. Hydrate and eat well. It's really not all that complicated.

Now if people just did that everyday, we'd likely have less issues with the virus. My biggest vice is probably beer and the occasional pot smoke/edible, otherwise eat well, drink lots of water and do shit. Most deaths from COVID are likely people that were their own worst enemy and treated their bodies like shit. Food and eating shitty seems to be a factor in outcome with this bug.
8   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 May 21, 8:44am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
Most deaths from COVID are likely people that were their own worst enemy and treated their bodies like shit.


This does seem to be true from the statistics. The non-elderly that die from this seem to generally be obese.
9   Tenpoundbass   ignore (15)   2020 May 21, 8:51am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I posted the same thing just a week into the lock down when everyone was sent home from their jobs. We were expecting hundreds of thousands of people to die.
I thought it was odd, that I wasn't hearing any emergency sirens blaring all day long, nor were there any vehicle traffic zooming by.
I live several blocks away from the main road that goes to Joe DiMaggio Hospital, while I understand if there is no traffic, they wouldn't use sirens.
But when it's so quiet that a car isn't stirring, like pre Hurricane, or the Twilight hours of predawn. I can hear the rubber of the wheels of ever car that happens along.
That quiet best describes how still and silent the neighborhood was that first week. Not a single car was stirring, not even an ambulance heading to the most internationally famous Hospital in Broward Florida.

Besides that, I knew the whole thing was going to be a massive commie stroke job, by the way Frauduci, almost broke his neck, and stepped on 5 people's feet rushing to get to the podium to shit on Trump's suggestion of HCQ as a treatment. He was not going to let this crisis fade just like that, but Trump's insolent insurrection of speaking out of turn.

That was the creepiest thing I ever saw, I've never seen someone so intent to undermine a positive hopeful message.
It was that action alone, that I was all in on HCQ being a valid treatment, even though some here on Patnet insured us all, that there's no way HCQ and antibiotics can treat a virus, because Frauduci said so.

It's pathetic how willing people are to crap on the hope of others.
10   rd6B   ignore (1)   2020 May 21, 8:53am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I know of 3 personally - 2 students, one in my class (he coughed on me a few times), and a family friend who is a pediatric doctor in her sixties. All cases where relatively mild.
11   Tenpoundbass   ignore (15)   2020 May 21, 8:57am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
Now if people just did that everyday, we'd likely have less issues with the virus. My biggest vice is probably beer and the occasional pot smoke/edible, otherwise eat well, drink lots of water and do shit. Most deaths from COVID are likely people that were their own worst enemy and treated their bodies like shit. Food and eating shitty seems to be a factor in outcome with this bug.



The deadly outcome of this bug, has been the CDC's recommendation to intubate everyone, and not use HCQ.
The Ventilators killed more people than they saved. In the poor countries where people just went out and laid in the street in the hot sun, had a much higher cure rate.

I honestly believe hospitals staff in heavy Blue Cities, where we had the most deaths. Were going out of their way to snuff people out that fit a narrative to the morbidity CDC was selling. If you look at these same hospitals, Nurses and Doctors that were there to save lives, and were most likely to try HCQ and other therapeutic remedies that wen't against shoving a high pressure air hose down people's throats. Were all furloughed and not allowed anywhere near the hospitals.

The Liberals in our medical field are ten times more evil and vindictive than the worse commie Scumbag in our education system.

They are stone cold killers, if Liberal Professors had the power to snuff out people they didn't like, they would do it in a heart beat. They are jealous of Liberals in the medical field.
12   socal2   ignore (1)   2020 May 21, 9:22am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

One of my co-worker's daughters who is a respiratory nurse working with COVID patients in Seattle got it last month and gave it to her husband and two small kids.

They got over it pretty quick and she is back to work at the hospital.
13   marcus   ignore (13)   2020 May 21, 9:51am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Tenpoundbass says
It's pathetic how willing people are to crap on the hope of others.


True. E.g. Mitch McConnel and the republicans in Congress 2009 - 2016.




Although wanting a drug to work, that is totally unproven, but needed very much by others is not a harmless hope. I don't know anyone that said HCQ wouldn't work, but a lot of smart people thought it was reckless and stupid of Trump to be pushing it so hard when it was totally unknown whether it works. . But I get it, that some people can confuse hope with a logic and science.

I find it amazing at in 2020 there are people that see the technology all around us and so much that we get directly or indirectly from science, and yet something as simple as whether a drug works or not is reduced to politics and hope. I mean what the fuck ?

Five years from now if it's known that HCQ was not particularly effective against CV-19 (not that it isn't - we actually still don't know - or maybe some do know by now) , but if it factually wasn't, there are some that will still be claiming it was all politics and that it was the best treatment, you know, becasue "muh Trump."
14   marcus   ignore (13)   2020 May 21, 9:53am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

My niece had it.
15   rd6B   ignore (1)   2020 May 21, 10:03am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
HCQ was not particularly effective against CV-19


facts do not matter, no?

Peer-reviewed literature:

https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ijantimicag.2020.105988

M Wang, R Cao, L Zhang, X Yang, J Liu, M Xu, et al.
Remdesivir and chloroquine effectively inhibit the recently emerged novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in vitro
Cell Res, 30 (2020), pp. 269-271

X Yao, F Ye, M Zhang, C Cui, B Huang, P Niu, et al.
In vitro antiviral activity and projection of optimized dosing design of hydroxychloroquinone for the treatment of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronarvirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)
Clin Infect Dis (2020 Mar 9), 10.1093/cid/ciaa237

P Colson, JM Rolain, JC Lagier, P Brouqui, D Raoult
Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine as available weapons to fight COVID-19
Int J Antimicrob Agents (2020), Article 105932

J Gao, Z Tian, X Yang
Breakthrough: chloroquine phosphate has shown apparent efficacy in treatment of COVID-19 associated pneumonia in clinical studies
Biosci Trends, 14 (2020), pp. 72-73

P Gautret, JC Lagier, P Parola, VT Hoang, L Meddeb, M Mailhe, et al.
Hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin as a treatment of COVID-19: results of an open-label non-randomized clinical trial
Int J Antimicrob Agents (2020), Article 105949
16   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2020 May 21, 10:34am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
What if something does happen and you suddenly get bills for half a million? The bills are deliberately far higher for people without insurance. It takes a lot of guts to bet they won't sue.


Our prevention modal puts heavy focus on diet, exercise, sleep, and supplements. In the 10 years we've been working on it, myself, my wife, and my daughters have never missed insurance. When we do go to the doctors, it's naturopaths, who aren't covered, so out-of-pocket no matter what. We have also taken advantage of cheaper care in Mexico a few times(benefit of living close to the border). But the couple of times we have gone to a regular doctor, they usually discount for cash payment. Saves them a ton of money and time not having to deal with insurance companies.
17   elliemae   ignore (0)   2020 May 22, 8:44am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
Hydrate and eat well. It's really not all that complicated.

Unless you are critically ill, in which case water won't help you.

Patrick says
Then again, a doctor who once posted here said that the medical industry is not generally in the business of suing sick people. Looks bad.

They are in the business of suing sick people, and they do it all the time. Medical debt is one of the leading causes for BK from what I've read. Intermountain Health used to use a company call Accredis, where before the patient was treated a low-paid biller would intimidate patients into paying up front for services they probably were going to get... and wouldn't allow patients to be seen if they didn't pay. Yes, this happened. Medical collections is a HUGE business - and doctors don't usually know -or care- about hospital or other provider billings.

Rule of thumb: you can usually settle for 30% of billed charges if you negotiate and pay the amount in full at the time of negotiation.

Patrick says
Most deaths from COVID are likely people that were their own worst enemy and treated their bodies like shit.

Pre-existing conditions aren't necessarily caused by poor health choices. Auto accidents, unanticipated diseases, even eating habits can be the cause of pre-existing conditions. For example, here's a raw food "guru" whose diet nearly killed him - and he's still trying to sell supplements that "cured" him.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AntiVegan/comments/dmx0yd/matt_monarch_former_prominent_vegan_diet_guru/

NuttBoxer says
Our prevention modal puts heavy focus on diet, exercise, sleep, and supplements. In the 10 years we've been working on it, myself, my wife, and my daughters have never missed insurance. When we do go to the doctors, it's naturopaths, who aren't covered, so out-of-pocket no matter what. We have also taken advantage of cheaper care in Mexico a few times(benefit of living close to the border). But the couple of times we have gone to a regular doctor, they usually discount for cash payment. Saves them a ton of money and time not having to deal with insurance companies


My prevention model includes diet, exercise, sleep too. I never anticipated that I would be diagnosed with R.A. - or that my past benign injuries would be exacerbated by my disease. Ya never know what's going to happen - one allergic reaction can create a lifetime's medical bills. My medical bills have been astronomical, especially a couple of surgeries. . I eat a normal balanced diet and do not require OTC supplements, which are a waste of money, time and I've seen people use them to excess and get very sick, have even seen people die from supplement poisoning. For example, the blue Colloidal Silver people are nuts, don't accept that they are poisoning themselves. Reminds me of anorexic people who assert they have no problem with eating.

Not having insurance is often a real $$ saver. However, the problems arise when patients are brought in for emergent conditions (accidents, violence-related incidents, random health issues such as cancer or even a burst appendix) can result in tens - or hundreds - of thousands of dollars (I've seen them in the millions of dollars). Even negotiated, a $500,000 bill can be upwards of $150,000 to resolve. And that doesn't take into account the separate pharmacy, lab, MD and PT charges that aren't part of that bill.

NuttBoxer says
It takes a lot of guts to bet they won't sue.

Surgeries, such as hip replacements or stabilizing a broken femur, are often considered "elective" and patients will be denied without insurance or the ability to pay up front. The money stuff pales in comparison when your kid is lying there with stomach pain of unknown etiology; the insurance debate means nothing when you aren't able to be treated. People die after being turned away. I know the link is from 2009 but it's still happening.

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/refusal-emergency-care-and-patient-dumping/2009-01

Somewhere, someone asked me if my friend that died had pre-existing conditions. None that we know of. She was not located in an area of the hospital that had patients with the virus, no one else tested positive. It's difficult to know what made her get sick, while others did not. We have no idea why I didn't test positive when a coworker who is ALL over the building, stood next to me, breathed the same air, etc was hospitalized a few days later. Before y'all start attacking me, many people didn't test positive and they don't take Plaquenil. In fact, he was the only person that tested positive of our 200+ employees, took a month to recover and is still very tired a month later. He is 60ish, in impeccable health.

We simply don't know enough about it to intelligently predict what will happen. That's where y'all come in.
18   marcus   ignore (13)   2020 May 22, 9:00am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

rd6B says
facts do not matter, no?


Yes, studies have been done. That is a fact.
19   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   ignore (6)   2020 May 22, 9:07am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Two coworkers had it. People I ispeak to every day.
20   rd6B   ignore (1)   2020 May 22, 9:13am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
Yes, studies have been done. That is a fact.

And these studies show that HCQ is quite efficient. That's a fact too, you can read through articles I cited. Not everything that ORANGEMAN BAD says is wrong. On a side note, MSM appears to be even more wrong that OMB.
21   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2020 May 22, 10:22am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

elliemae says
WookieMan says
Hydrate and eat well. It's really not all that complicated.

Unless you are critically ill, in which case water won't help you.

Then you die? This expectation of life lasting forever is a joke. People got critically ill all the time prior to COVID-19 and they would just die. I don't know who will agree, but I think almost everyone here would agree that there has been a massive overreaction and focus on the number of dead. We have more people, so more people die. It's not scary.

Outside of NY and most the east coast, this has been managed very well. 40-50% of the deaths have all occurred in a small region of the country, and overly represented by a tiny demographic 70+. As much as CA is a cluster, they've managed just fine as far as death count with a huge population. Even IL with the 3rd/4th largest city in the country and highly dense, isn't doing awful. FL with a higher population is doing better with an older population. AZ.

We have a rude and incompetent part of the country that is showing their ass and the result is a ton of old people dying because they're douche bags. The data is staring everyone in the face. The deaths, cases and hospitalizations are dropping nationwide. There has been no evidence of an uptick with opening economies. I've been to WI, TN, IN and KY since this shit started. They were barely closed. These places should be hotspots and they're not.
22   clambo   ignore (5)   2020 May 22, 11:07am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I’m not surprised, but I have seen that the political orientation of the people I know influences their view of the extreme steps taken by governments.

1. Liberal MD guy when I told him what Fauci said “I don’t have to wear a mask, I tested negative for the virus.” MD “That’s Trump propaganda!” Actually, I was so bored I watched the conference and heard it.

2. Liberal female former coworker “I know a lot of people in New York who caught it.” “Are they old?” “ They work in a hospital, the others are old but it affects anyone.” Really?
“Have you watched Cuomo? His press conferences are great.”
She thinks it’s reasonable to close our beaches although I don’t think anyone can show Wuhan can fly and infect the person on the towel ten feet away from you.

3. Liberal male former coworker in S California “I guess it has been mismanaged from the beginning.” “Isn’t closing the beaches ridiculous?” “I don’t know.”

1. Austria showed that it was useful for everyone to wear a mask from the beginning.
2. Because the USA didn’t have masks, they told us to put ourselves under quarantine rather than fix the mask shortages.
3. Fauci who has a strange perspective incredibly said that masks are not useful, then changed his tune.
4. Non expert bureaucrats are making decisions that affect the lives of millions, the LA dimwit is an example.
5. 98% of cases are mild, 92% of those who died had “co-morbidities”. A large % of deaths are in nursing homes where most of us don’t work or even visit.
6. People seem to accept the abuse by the authorities in exchange for cash.
7. A lazy loser female I know in San Francisco is making $1050/week on unemployment and is refusing work because “It’s just not worth it.”
23   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2020 May 26, 11:34am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

elliemae says
I never anticipated that I would be diagnosed with R.A.


That's an auto-immune disease. You're diet may still need some work. Have you sought the advise of a naturopath regarding your condition? More conditions are curable than you might think.

NuttBoxer says

It takes a lot of guts to bet they won't sue.

No idea where you got this quote...

elliemae says
Surgeries, such as hip replacements or stabilizing a broken femur, are often considered "elective" and patients will be denied without insurance or the ability to pay up front.


I just had a baby this past year(with insurance). Got it just for that, we never went for anything else. Still ended up owing over $4,000, and I didn't get the cheap plan. Would have been cheaper to pay a birthing center, but my wife thought she would need an epidural(ended up delivering naturally). I've had broken bones and x-rays done in Mexico. I think more importantly though, you should always have cash on hand for an emergency, and a backup plan in case something is unaffordable. We do this in virtually every other part of our lives, why exempt our health? Over-reliance on a failed system is a recipe for disaster.
24   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch   ignore (53)   2020 May 26, 11:54am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

If only everyone had RALLIED! and sucked on the gums of MAGA!s, we'd all be past this by now and be conferred with super powers and immortality BUT! NO! BECAUSE! LIBBIES!
25   mell   ignore (4)   2020 May 26, 12:07pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NuttBoxer says
elliemae says
I never anticipated that I would be diagnosed with R.A.


That's an auto-immune disease. You're diet may still need some work. Have you sought the advise of a naturopath regarding your condition? More conditions are curable than you might think.

NuttBoxer says

It takes a lot of guts to bet they won't sue.

No idea where you got this quote...

elliemae says
Surgeries, such as hip replacements or stabilizing a broken femur, are often considered "elective" and patients will be denied without insurance or the ability to pay up front.


I just had a baby this past year(with insurance). Got it just for that, we never went for anything else. Still ended up owing over $4,000, and I didn't get the cheap plan. Would have been cheaper to pay a birthing center, but my wife ...


High dose curcumin has helped many with RA, not turmeric but curcumin extract (from turmeric but concentrated), 3 times a day. Lee Silsby's Enhansa is one of the best high dose curcumin supplements.
26   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2020 May 27, 9:51am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

mell says
High dose curcumin has helped many with RA


We started taking curcumin after my wife read an article about it's benefits in fighting cancer. We don't have cancer, just want to keep it that way. Our supplement is called Meriva from Thorne, a very good supplements company.
27   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 May 27, 9:53am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Thanks for info about the Tumeric/Curcumin, folks.
28   mell   ignore (4)   2020 May 27, 10:05am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The key is while regular dose turmeric should work for prevention you need high dose curcumin to actually relieve and heal RA (sometimes even in combo with methotrexate or cortisone prescribed by your MD and anti inflammatory medication). Regular turmeric won't be enough. High dose / concentrated curcumin 2-3x day for something like RA if already moderately present. Even though it's natural this is not a homeopathics approach ;)

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