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#BlackCrimeMatters

By Patrick follow Patrick   2020 Jun 6, 4:29pm 1,566 views   96 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


Almost no one in the US discriminates against blacks just because they are black.

Most of what is called "racism" is just a statistically justified fear of crime. It's not fair to the individual black person when others avoid him out of fear, but it's also not fair to tell everyone else that they must significantly increase their personal risk of crime to be "anti-racist".

Poverty may cause crime, but crime also causes poverty. Businesses flee and there are fewer jobs and services in high-crime areas. No one wants to lend to start a business where that business is likely to be bankrupted due to crime, or burned down in the inevitable next riot. Black families are also impoverished by lawyers and other costs of dealing with the legal system when junior decides it's a good idea to pull a gun and gets caught. People with the means to move away from crime-ridden areas do so as soon as they can.

Probably most black crime is committed by a minority of very bad people. If those people can be permanently locked up, that would help everyone.

To say #BlackLivesMatter without talking about the much higher rate of black crime above the crime rates of all other groups is to ignore the fundamental problem.

#BlackCrimeMatters too, and must be spoken about if anything is to ever improve.

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41   porkchopexpress   ignore (0)   2020 Jun 7, 12:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
porkchopexpress says
Sorry Jazz, but the facts don’t support the Left wing narrative at all. In fact, it’s the opposite and you don’t hear the Right constantly whining about it.
Notice other than declaring ring wing superiority there is nothing being said other than a stinking apology.

That fact alone betrays the abject bankruptcy of the claim.
You and your Left wing friends really need to read the book Extreme Ownership. There’s a fundamental chasm in human philosophy between the Left and the Right, and it all comes down to individual accountability. Until that chasm is eliminated, there will never be enough common ground to have a united society.
42   NoCoupForYou   ignore (3)   2020 Jun 7, 1:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
if white on white was in there it would likely dwarf the other graphs.


Nope. Whites are 2/3 of population and less than half of all violent crime.

White Murder rate is about the same as Europe's, except we have 100M's of private firearms.

Extract a certain ethnicity from the crime stats, and despite being awash in guns, our murder rate would be fractionally higher than Europe.
44   HunterTits   ignore (3)   2020 Jun 7, 2:19pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Meanwhile, BlackLivesMatter thugs in Belgium.

WTF does Belgium have to do with any of what his happening in the US is beyond me.

45   REpro   ignore (0)   2020 Jun 7, 4:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Tim Aurora says
I think people have stopped looking at the mirror.

When people get older...... that is a fact
46   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2020 Jun 7, 4:51pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TrumpingTits says
Meanwhile, BlackLivesMatter thugs in Belgium.

WTF does Belgium have to do with any of what his happening in the US is beyond me.


Showing them what a good decision diversity and tolerance were?
47   FuckCCP89   ignore (5)   2020 Jun 7, 5:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

TrumpingTits says
Meanwhile, BlackLivesMatter thugs in Belgium.

WTF does Belgium have to do with any of what his happening in the US is beyond me.


Free shit is free shit, Belgium or no Belgium.
48   BayArea   ignore (1)   2020 Jun 7, 7:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

@Patrick

I’m looking for the source of two stats that I recall reading from you to aid in my discussion with my liberal friends.

Can you help point me to the source:

1.) African Americans make up 13% of the USA but are responsible for 50% of the violent crime.

2.) Whites are 20x at higher risk of violent crime committed by blacks than the inverse.
49   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   ignore (7)   2020 Jun 7, 7:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

BayArea says
@Patrick

I’m looking for the source of two stats that I recall reading from you to aid in my discussion with my liberal friends.

Can you help point me to the source:

1.) African Americans make up 13% of the USA but are responsible for 50% of the violent crime.

2.) Whites are 20x at higher risk of violent crime committed by blacks than the inverse.


It’s fbi numbers which I’m sure can be sourced. I’m lazy and did only a google search

Blacks were disproportionately likely to commit homicide and to be the victims. In 2008 the offending rate for blacks was seven times higher than for whites and the victimisation rate was six times higher.

As we found yesterday, 93 per cent of black victims were killed by blacks and 84 per cent of white victims were killed by whites.

Alternative statistics from the FBI are more up to date but include many crimes where the killer’s race is not recorded. These numbers tell a similar story.

In 2013, the FBI has black criminals carrying out 38 per cent of murders, compared to 31.1 per cent for whites. The offender’s race was “unknown” in 29.1 per cent of cases.

What about violent crime more generally? FBI arrest rates are one way into this. Over the last three years of data – 2011 to 2013 – 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black.


https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-black-americans-commit-crime
51   PeopleUnited   ignore (1)   2020 Jun 7, 8:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
says
if white on white was in there it would likely dwarf the other graphs.


Nope: https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/table-1

Read the facts. Facts matter and the narrative of the racist left media is gaslighting people like Tim. Wake up and smell the burning Tim, people of color commit the vast majority of crimes of violence in this country and blacks who only make up 13% of the population, are responsible for nearly half of these crimes!

Let’s look at just crimes committed by youth in 2016. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

We see blacks who make up 13% of the population, constituted 413 of 619 Murder and nonnegligent manslaughter arrests and 10,520 of 15,293 robberies. So at a time when most teenagers are spending time studying, playing sports and trying to get into college, black teens are disproportionately committing murder and violent crime. In fact black teens are responsible for more than 2/3 of these crimes!

It is as if crime is a part of inner city black culture that is taught to them even as children.
52   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Jun 7, 9:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

BayArea says
@Patrick

I’m looking for the source of two stats that I recall reading from you to aid in my discussion with my liberal friends.

Can you help point me to the source:

1.) African Americans make up 13% of the USA but are responsible for 50% of the violent crime.

2.) Whites are 20x at higher risk of violent crime committed by blacks than the inverse.


The graphs of the FBI numbers are easily available. And graphs are clearer than a spreadsheet.

53   Misc   ignore (0)   2020 Jun 8, 6:05am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

50% of the Black population is male 50% female. The females do not commit a huge amount of violent crime.

Therefore, you get about 50% of the violent crime in America committed by about 6 1/2% of the population (that being Black males).

If you factor in age, it becomes even more lopsided. A very small percentage of the population commits an abundance of the violent crime.
54   Cash   ignore (1)   2020 Jun 8, 6:52am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
Take a break guys. You CA guys need to get the fuck out of dodge. Go to Idaho or something? I like Bear Lake. Sandpoint was nice too.


FK that
55   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Jun 8, 12:12pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

goofus says
the "abject bankruptcy":
A brutal austerity has befallen America since Reagan's time with the lie of trickle down economics, the busting of unions, the revolutionary Powell memorandum all because of propagandizing libertarian themes, free market magic and removing all the common-sense policies that every other civilized country in the world practices.

America is a fucking tax-reduced horror show. The whole right wing revolution exists to make wages cheaper. It's now America can't do anything but assure the wealthy empires and wage terror and war on the world. A virus came and we got worse control of it than anywhere else in the world. People are angry about losing their jobs, losing their houses, losing their health, losing their marriages, families, and even their possessions, and then the police come along and the system puts losers back to work in obscenely overpopulated prison where at last the wealthy class can once again reap the benefits of slave labor. This is the biggest disgrace in the world.

We've eliminated the official category status of "slave" but we've gotten really creative about how to achieve the same societal benefits of having slave laborers.

America is barbaric and brutal to those people who are not corporations and have found themselves at the bottom of any of the increasingly diabolic slippery slopes. This fact is why high school age primarily white kids with right wing affiliation decide to go on suicidal shooting rampages and other angry hopeless people too.

Life expectancy is now tied to wealth. Murders per se are defined by how you count them for a desired narrative. Your desire is evidently to establish one or more races as genetically inferior or murderous. So what about all those BROWN PEOPLE in Moldova, Ghana, Bangladesh, they fit your sick narrative.

It's really indecent the way the banking system has built a big success for those with means ONLY and on the backs of people whose employment is deliberately made increasingly tenuous and then systematically removed paths and comforts for people to climb back out of the ditch by sending jobs overseas, employing illegal immigrants and prisoners.

So systemic indecency and barbarism are having some unfortunate side effects. Then we should stop transferring all rewards of labor to the fucking oligarchy who is still not satisfied because they all want to achieve dynastic security for their entire families. Consider the murder rate to be blowback barbarism from an angry populous.

THEIR ANGER IS RIGHTEOUS. America needs reformation badly.

Yet our vast propaganda systems misdirect us all to be angry at the poor and unfortunate and not to look at the wealthy at all. It's time for us to stop handling all our problems with oppressive policing, overstuffed prisons, loss of privacy and increased surveillance etc.

Lack of opportunities and bad schools is a big reason, and of course, poverty can be helped with a social safety net and employment opportunities development.

Gangs exist to make money and they give a perverse form of prestige to the members with the

Oh yeah we are supposed to focus on race here, with an implied ultimate solution to brown people. Priceless. Here we go again folks.

I could go on but the racism I see here is making me angry.
56   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Jun 8, 12:21pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Fuck this entire insane racial supremacy/inferiority con job.
57   goofus   ignore (0)   2020 Jun 8, 12:37pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

A bit incoherent, but I'll try to reply:

jazz_music says
A brutal austerity has befallen America since Reagan's time with the lie of trickle down economics, the busting of unions, the revolutionary Powell memorandum all because of propagandizing libertarian themes, free market magic and removing all the common-sense policies that every other civilized country in the world practices.


Crime rates took off in the 1970's before Reaganomics. The cause was lax policing and hands-off policies. It wasn't until Bill Bratton's "broken windows" approach of the mid-90's that crime got under control. But, the left hasn't learned a thing and is in the process of recreating the 1970's. Ah, nostalgia!

jazz_music says
The whole right wing revolution exists to make wages cheaper. It's now America can't do anything but assure the wealthy empires and wage terror and war on the world.


The right wing contains many disaffected leftists who recognize that both parties supported GATT, NAFTA, China's "most favored nation" status in WTO, and now TPP (Obama's baby). Reaganomics was just the beginning -- Bush I and II, Clinton, and Obama continued the same policies. Trump through opposing unilateral trade deals, off-shoring manufacturing, and tariff-free insourcing of product, has defied his globalist betters. And they hate him for it. And they've convinced you to hate him too.

jazz_music says
Life expectancy is now tied to wealth.


Life expectancy over the last 20 years has gone up for every group -- black, hispanic, and asian -- EXCEPT whites. And no one bothered to notice the suicide and opioid-induced increase in white mortality until 2014. (The authors originally had a hard time getting it reviewed, let alone published -- not that the data was bad, but that it countered the narrative of oppressed POC and privileged PO-"whiteness.")

jazz_music says
Murders per se are defined by how you count them for a desired narrative.


Murders are in fact the gold standard in crime reporting. A dead person is hard to overlook, and even if hidden, family or friends will notify police. There is no grey area there, as you allege, particularly not in our inner cities where levels are routinely over 20 dead per 100K per annum. Warzone levels of criminality.

jazz_music says
Your desire is evidently to establish one or more races as genetically inferior or murderous. So what about all those BROWN PEOPLE in Moldova, Ghana, Bangladesh, they fit your sick narrative.


Bizarre and ignorant. I included all three nations to represent black (Ghana), brown (Bangladesh), and white (Moldova), to show that outsized criminality is not a necessary condition of being poor, or indeed of being black. And Moldova is a slavic country, FYI.

There's something sick in encouraging structureless, fatherless "communities of color" through perverse benefits incentives, weak school discipline, and increasingly weak policing. It becomes Lord of the Flies when the 15-35 year old demographic controls the streets, unemployed, with criminal enterprises to fund their gangs (drugs, prostitution, gun-running).

The left, in retaining purity of heart, looks the other way on random acts of violence -- and then blames police or racism or anything but the perpetrators.
58   socal2   ignore (1)   2020 Jun 8, 12:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

goofus says
There's something sick in encouraging structureless, fatherless "communities of color" through perverse benefits incentives, weak school discipline, and increasingly weak policing.


Yep - fuck all of them until they have an honest discussion about these failed policies that created generations of poverty in the African American community.

No amount of government Affirmative Action, Contract Preferences, after-school programming, let alone Reparations is going to make up for the generational poverty and dysfunction of single parent households.

But the Left has made it "RAAACIST" to even have this discussion.

Fucking BLM is still celebrating this destructive life choice in their charter!

*We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.*
https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/
59   goofus   ignore (0)   2020 Jun 8, 12:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
Fuck this entire insane racial supremacy/inferiority con job.


NPC circuits have overloaded. Boop beep bloop.
60   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Jun 8, 12:51pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

goofus says
NPC circuits have overloaded. Boop beep bloop.
What childish fiction people revel in while the fucking world around them burns
61   goofus   ignore (0)   2020 Jun 8, 1:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
goofus says
NPC circuits have overloaded. Boop beep bloop.
What childish fiction people revel in while the fucking world around them burns


I'm here for coherent arguments, not blathering about "supremacy."
62   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Jun 8, 1:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

goofus says
I'm here for coherent arguments, not blathering about "supremacy."
WGAF
63   goofus   ignore (0)   2020 Jun 8, 1:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
goofus says
I'm here for coherent arguments, not blathering about "supremacy."
WGAF


That's right - coherence is racist, math is racist, logic is racist.

And "WGAF" is maturity in action.
64   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Jun 8, 1:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

goofus says
That's right - coherence is racist, math is racist, logic is racist.

And "WGAF" is maturity in action.
make sense
65   FuckCCP89   ignore (5)   2020 Jun 8, 1:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
goofus says
NPC circuits have overloaded. Boop beep bloop.
What childish fiction people revel in while the fucking world around them burns


Stop commiting arson then.
66   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Jun 8, 1:38pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

FuckCCP89 says
jazz_music says
goofus says
NPC circuits have overloaded. Boop beep bloop.
What childish fiction people revel in while the fucking world around them burns


Stop commiting arson then.
This talk is insane and a waste of time
67   FuckCCP89   ignore (5)   2020 Jun 8, 1:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
FuckCCP89 says
jazz_music says
goofus says
NPC circuits have overloaded. Boop beep bloop.
What childish fiction people revel in while the fucking world around them burns


Stop commiting arson then.
This talk is insane and a waste of time


Talk? Burning buildings were all over TV for the last two weeks.
68   jazz_music   ignore (13)   2020 Jun 8, 1:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

FuckCCP89 says
Burning buildings were all over TV for the last two weeks.
Fake news
69   NoCoupForYou   ignore (3)   2020 Jun 8, 1:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

goofus says
That's right - coherence is racist, math is racist, logic is racist.


You forgot:

Astronomy is Colonized
Western Civ is White Supremacy
E=mc2 is a Sexed Equation
70   HunterTits   ignore (3)   2020 Jun 8, 6:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

"The vision of the left, full of envy and resentment, takes its worst toll on those at the bottom — whether black or white — who find in that paranoid vision an excuse for counterproductive and ultimately self-destructive attitudes and behavior." -- Thomas Sowell
71   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   ignore (7)   2020 Jun 8, 6:09pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
FuckCCP89 says
Burning buildings were all over TV for the last two weeks.
Fake news


Lol how?
72   FuckCCP89   ignore (5)   2020 Jun 8, 6:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
FuckCCP89 says
Burning buildings were all over TV for the last two weeks.
Fake news


Yep, even them reported it. Here:

73   HunterTits   ignore (3)   2020 Jun 8, 6:14pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Dumbass Liberals set the police station on fire and burn down the liquor store with it.

@Patrick when I can I use the word 'Libtard' when it is accurately used? I mean even once in a while a bitch is really in reference to a female dog, right?

This is one of those times.
74   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Jun 8, 6:18pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Please don't use "libtard". It's not anything we can have a reasonable discussion about, nor is "Trumptard".

Let's talk about policies and results, and general philosophies.
75   NoCoupForYou   ignore (3)   2020 Jun 8, 6:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

We just had the worst 24 hours of murder in Chicago History in 60 Years

All victims and perps Black.

https://t.co/zJnCXDWvQQ?amp=1

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago-violence-murder-history-homicide-police-crime?utm_campaign=chicago.suntimes&utm_content=entry&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Black Lives Don't Matter, unless it's one of the very rare Police Fatalities.
76   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2020 Jun 8, 6:43pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

If whites were blacks, then blacks would really have something to worry about.
77   WookieMan   ignore (6)   2020 Jun 9, 4:24am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NoCoupForYou says
We just had the worst 24 hours of murder in Chicago History in 60 Years

All victims and perps Black.

https://t.co/zJnCXDWvQQ?amp=1

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago-violence-murder-history-homicide-police-crime?utm_campaign=chicago.suntimes&utm_content=entry&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Black Lives Don't Matter, unless it's one of the very rare Police Fatalities.

Stop your systemic racism. Blacks should be allowed to kill each other in abundance. Who are you to tell blacks not to kill each other?
78   RC2006   ignore (2)   2020 Jun 9, 7:35am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      



All those jobs gone. Who are those workers out of a job going to vote for?
80   Onvacation   ignore (5)   2020 Jun 9, 9:43am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
A brutal austerity has befallen America since Reagan's time


Oh come on. Nobody in America is starving. Even people that WANT to live in a cardboard box can get food easily. Most Americans have smart phones giving them access to a world of information and entertainment. Anyone that talks about the poverty and lack of "safety net" has never spent any time in the hammock that is the social services system we pay for today.

Anyone that wants to work can. Agreed that it can be brutal when you have no skills or work ethic. But one will never get skills or work ethic without trying. Bringing manufacturing jobs back from the polluting slave labor countries we have outsourced them to will help. A young man can choose to work hard and eventually become successful or be a lazy thug. Unfortunately the thug subculture, supported by mainstream media, is very appealing to young men with no fathers.

Where is this "brutal austerity" you talk of?

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