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Sweden-The Unfinished Experiment


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2020 Jun 10, 4:10am   750 views  9 comments

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An Unfinished Experiment
Phelan Chatterjee has been keeping a diary about his experience living under Sweden’s unique coronavirus response.

“Official advice tells anyone not ‘vulnerable’ to stay home only if symptomatic, and to socially distance when out,” wrote Chatterjee, a video producer for the Associated Press who is normally based in London. “We’re not actively seeking herd immunity, they say. But equally, we don’t want to suppress the virus by locking down, testing and tracing.”

Scholars writing in Foreign Affairs magazine praised the Scandinavian country’s strategy, which asked seniors and Swedes with preexisting conditions to remain in lockdown to avoid infection while allowing everyone else to follow the relatively laissez-faire precautions that Chatterjee described.

“To visit Sweden now is to enter a strange land where people can just hang out together,” a CNN correspondent said in a video.

But the Independent reported that Sweden now has the highest death rate in the world from Covid-19, almost 10 percent, and four times as much as its Nordic neighbors.

Defenders of the Swedish policy said the country’s relatively homogenous demographics, high levels of social trust, excellent healthcare system, strong sense of personal responsibility and similar characteristics would help the country weather the crisis. Those arguments were bunk, countered Wired magazine.

That’s why Denmark and Norway, whose Nordic cultures resemble Sweden’s, and have deep ties to their neighbors, have opted to restrict Swedes from visiting their countries when they open their borders to outsiders on June 15, the BBC wrote. They’ll likely remain unwelcome through August.

In making that rule, the Danes and Norwegians were following European Union guidance: It suggested countries with similar rates of coronavirus infections should open their borders first before a continent-wide reopening lets citizens travel without restrictions between numerous countries, Politico wrote.

Swedish Foreign Minister Ann Linde viewed the prohibitions as politically motivated rather than based on sound health advice, according to Reuters.

Alternatively, Norwegian officials, who have done an excellent job of curbing the spread of the virus, have publicly wondered whether they went too far in shutting down and should have been more like Sweden, wrote the Telegraph. The Norwegian economy has lost billions while few citizens have immunity to the virus. Sooner or later, Norway will need to open up. Nobody knows what’s going to happen.

Meanwhile, many Swedes weren’t on board with their country’s relaxed policy, either. Under pressure from opposition parties, Swedish Prime Minister Stefan Löfven recently announced an inquiry into his response to the coronavirus. On the inquiry’s agenda will be questions about why half of the country’s deaths have occurred in nursing homes, Reuters reported.

Sweden’s experiment is scary. And it’s not over yet.

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1   Allin   2020 Jun 10, 7:27am  

Who knows what the Independent meant when it says "death rate", but it is definitely not total deaths/total population. Sweden stands at 475 deaths per 1 million people which is not the highest in the world. Sweden definitely has 4 times the death rate of Denmark, but that's pretty meaningless when you are talking about 0.005% of the population.

It is interesting that the epidemic statistics are using Deaths/1M instead of percent. In the scientific community, don't we use ppm to magnify and measure results that would otherwise be too small to attract notice.
2   WookieMan   2020 Jun 10, 8:00am  

Tim Aurora says
It is an interesting model. We will get to know more as the time goes by.

Trust the Trumpsters, to come here and knock this article as biased.

It's an article among many. Placing faith/trust in one source is not very logical. Hence why we examine the broader data and not opinion pieces cherry picking data. Regardless of any countries approach, we've come to discover that the virus is not remotely as deadly as first thought. That's indisputable. Death counts will most certainly be revised lower as well.

We brought the SWAT team to the gas station where the kid was stealing a candy bar and they're still sitting in the parking lot for no reason. I don't know a single person that is legitimately worried about this virus anymore. I had a board meeting on Monday for a government board I'm on. Got guidance from the attorney we use. You don't have to wear a mask and technically it's illegal to ask people to wear one. We have to know this as we're reopening in a couple weeks. Too many people are buying into absolute lies. I feel bad for them. Stop watching the "news" and think for yourself.
3   Allin   2020 Jun 10, 10:22am  

I wold love to know the legal argument that your lawyer gave you. I refuse to go back into the office because they are requiring masks. Their rationale is that they are obligated to follow Cal OSHA.
4   WookieMan   2020 Jun 10, 11:30am  

Allin says
I wold love to know the legal argument that your lawyer gave you. I refuse to go back into the office because they are requiring masks. Their rationale is that they are obligated to follow Cal OSHA.

CA is a different animal. You’re nuts out there. It’s basically along the lines of HIPPA. You cannot ask or be expected to disclose a medical condition and force someone to wear a mask. You can ask employees to do it, but if they refuse you cannot fire them.

Now if your legislature passed a bill and governor signed it, then it’s law until your Supreme Court overturns it. To my knowledge no legislative branch in the country has passed mask wearing laws. EO’s are essentially unenforceable. They’re “requests” so to speak.
5   WookieMan   2020 Jun 11, 9:41am  

AnyKey says
Sweden backtracks on its low-pain coronavirus plan

This is the only number that matters for a country that essentially stayed open.



Edit: Forgot the link. It's the usual one. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
6   WookieMan   2020 Jun 11, 9:45am  

Assuming it's additional deaths above and beyond what would normally occur, which it's not because many would have died due to other ailments. People expect a fucking entire country to shut down for 150 deaths per day on a bad day and now about 30 deaths a day? Do people think anymore? This is a fucking joke.
7   Bd6r   2020 Jun 11, 10:49am  

Norwegians have fallen prey to ORANGEMAN BAD racist ideology:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/30/coronavirus-norway-wonders-should-have-like-sweden/

On Wednesday night, Norway's prime minister Erna Solberg went on Norwegian television to make a startling admission. Some, even most, of the tough measures imposed in Norway's lockdown now looked like steps too far. "Was it necessary to close schools?" she mused. "Perhaps not."

It was a preemptive step only a leader with Solberg's folksy, down-to-earth style could get away with. "I probably took many of the decisions out of fear," she admitted, reminding viewers of the terrifying images then flooding their screens from Italy.
8   GNL   2020 Jun 11, 11:00am  

Swedes will be stronger, in the long run, for it. Physically, mentally and spiritually.
9   WookieMan   2020 Jun 11, 3:35pm  

WineHorror1 says
Swedes will be stronger, in the long run, for it. Physically, mentally and spiritually.

And their kids won't be dip shits for missing damn near 3 months of school leading up to summer. Fuck yah, 6-7 months off. Party on.

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