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That last one is a clear case of terrorism. Endorsed by the establishment, otherwise she'd have been arrested.

If the traitors in government aren't removed, the country is doomed.

Feels more like Trump brought on a sick reaction. The identity politics on the left went through the roof when Trump was elected.

marcus says

Feels more like Trump brought on a sick reaction. The identity politics on the left went through the roof when Trump was elected.

It was already there, and part of the slower, "Fundamental Transformation of America". When Trump was elected, it was an unforeseen obstacle and sent the left into anger.

Look at the NYT or WaPo today compared to 20 years ago. The cancel culture/identity politics either didin't exist or used to be criticized by those papers. Now they fire their own editors for daring to print an article by a US Senator that goes against their new Standard of "America is funadmentally racist and needs radical change".

NoCoupForYou says

"America is funadmentally racist and needs radical change".

Agreed I fixed the title.

Tenpoundbass says

NoCoupForYou says

"America is funadmentally racist and needs radical change".

Agreed I fixed the title.

The United States is not fundamentally racist.

Well it's going that way, but it's not the white people who are racist.

You let me know when India or China starts accepting "refugees". The real problem is the United States keeps creating refugees.

Let me know when ISRAEL starts accepting non Jewish refugees, or even Jewish refugees - who aren't white.

richwicks says

Let me know when ISRAEL starts accepting non Jewish refugees, or even Jewish refugees - who aren't white.

First wave of Vietnamese Boat people arrive in Israel.
www.youtube.com/embed/hU4MLRofKJg

I personally met one at a Chinese-Vietnamese restaurant in Tel Aviv. He spoke French, Vietnamese, English, and... Hebrew.

richwicks says

Let me know when ISRAEL starts accepting non Jewish refugees, or even Jewish refugees - who aren't white.

Merry Christmas:





On November 21, 1984 Israel began Operation Moses, a seven-week clandestine mission to bring more than 8,000 Ethiopian Jews to Israel. Today, Israel’s Ethiopian community boasts over 140,000 members who continue to play important roles in all facets of Israeli society.

https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/AboutIsrael/People/Pages/Operation-Moses-Israel%E2%80%99s-Ethiopian-community.aspx



PS, other than the Marxists in Israel (they exist and run Haaretz, Israel hater's favorite newspaper with a pathetic circulation), nobody in Israel has a problem with America's wall. Most love Trump, too, and can't understand why there ISN'T a Wall between the US and Mexico. That Israel is against America's Wall is 110% Stormfag out-of-thin bullshit

Modi just passed a law where they will not take in Muslim refugees, because:

A) Many fled India giving the finger to Hindus and now want back because of better opportunity
B) Many are actually fundamentalist Muslims
C) There are several other MUSLIM states in the near and greater region (South Asia/Gulf States) that can take them.

I'd also remind folks that Spain, Italy, Poland, etc. have programs where 3+ generation removed emigrants can return on a fast track.

My Cuban wife, who has an Italian Grandfather, is looking into this.

That Eurodummies take in MENA refugees is all Rich Euros trying to prop up the inevitable collapse of their housing/rental market from a declining native population.

richwicks says

Let me know when ISRAEL starts accepting non Jewish refugees, or even Jewish refugees - who aren't white.

The majority of the Jewish population (50.2%) is Mizrahi - of Middle Eastern Origin - kicked out of Iraq, Algeria, Yemen, and all those other Muslim countries who swear Jews will be fine under Arab rule. Kicked out after confiscating all their real property, of course. Ashkenazi are the MINORITY of Jews in Israel at about 42% The remainder being and Eithiopian and Indian Jews.

Patrick says

richwicks says

Let me know when ISRAEL starts accepting non Jewish refugees, or even Jewish refugees - who aren't white.

They did actually take the Ethiopian Jews in,

And gave them Depo Prevara.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/28/ethiopian-women-given-contraceptives-israel

Which left them sterilized. Israel also did this:

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/29/world/ethiopian-in-israeli-riot-over-dumping-of-donated-blood.html

I hate arguing Israel. They are not the United States of the Middle East.

It's a laborious, tedious task to try to explain the situation in Israel, and when you are complete with that, people don't believe you. It's an ethnic state. Zionism is nothing more than the KKK for Jews. They even have discrimination between everybody else and the Ashkenazi. I don't care what they do, my objection is my nation's slavish support for the government there.

They are a nuclear power, Mordechai Vanunu proved that and suffered dearly for it. Let them do what they will, but my country should not support it directly.

I separate the Jewish people from the so-called "Jewish state". The conflict that is going on in Israel and the Palestinians, is a conflict over land. Israel will win. I accept that. Soon enough they will incorporate large parts of the West Bank. I'm just sick and tired of our nation being a "neutral observer" - it's not. Israel must declare its boundaries, the US must stop giving aid - but neither will ever happen. Israel will eventually take over the entire West Bank, and will probably retake Gaza and expand, the US will never stop giving aid to them.

In what way does this advantage the United States? Even as a completely objective observer - how is this beneficial to this nation? I may be missing some information, but I do not see this as a benefit to the 350,000,000 Americans of this nation. So why is it done?

Again, I may be lacking information. I may be ignorant, and if so, I will change my mind - but I have been watching this disaster for 30 years and that is nothing. This disaster has been going on for 72 years.

richwicks says

It's a laborious, tedious task to try to explain the situation in Israel, and when you are complete with that, people don't believe you. It's an ethnic state. Zionism is nothing more than the KKK for Jews. They even have discrimination between everybody else and the Ashkenazi. I don't care what they do, my objection is my nation's slavish support for the government there.

I do too, but I won't let misinformation proliferate.
richwicks says

And gave them Depo Prevara.

Look dude, I appreciate your remarks on lacking information. But apparently you hadn't heard (or maybe forget, it's really trivia in the grand scheme of things) about the Vietnamese Boat People OR the Ethiopians until a few minutes ago.

As I said, Haaretz is the Guardian or Salon of Israel. In reality, only some women were given Depo Prevera, which only lasts 3 months. No cases of permanent sterilzation were uncovered. The Ethiopian population has boomed in Israel, and why the fuck would Israel spend millions to bring in thousands of Eithiopians just to sterilize them? As a traditional society without running water or electric in the late 20th century, the goal was to not have the overwhelmingly youthful population have a baby boom before housing and acclimation could be accomplished, and it was indeed voluntary. Some may have misunderstood, or claimed to misunderstand so they wouldn't get pregnant. Not too many Amharic speakers outside of Ethiopia, and these mountain village people didn't have much English, Hebrew, or Arabic amongst them.
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-big-lie-involuntary-sterilization-of-black-ethiopian-women/

We were not in Iraq the first time (Kuwait, Saudi Arabia defense) or the second time (trying to make an example of Saddam as a rogue state), nor Afghanistan (Bupkiss to do with Israel), nor Libyan Coup (a French-Italy Oil dispute; Ghaddafyi had bent the knee to USA in 2001 and wanted Western help against Muslim fanatics), etc. because of Israel.

Don't even bother with the Liberty canard, either. US Troops blew the fuck out of British and Canadian troops, and vice-versa, in every war since WW2 and vice-versa. The ship wasn't supposed to be there and the Israelis checked with the US Naval Attache before attacking the Liberty, which was a mass produced WW2 design of which 100s were sailing the seas of all nations, including several in the Egyptian Navy and Merchant Marine.

We are/were far more connected to the Shah of Iran and Saudi Arabia and didn't support Israel until the Soviets gave 1000s of MiGs, T-55s, and SA-2s to Syria and Egypt in the late 1960s. There was a Soviet Client Axis from Egypt to Syria to (later) Iraq, only Israel in the way to stop a real "United Arab Republic" under Soviet friendly Ba'athist Socialists from linking up in a huge arc across the Middle East and straddling the Suez and able to bring tons of Soviet Equipment down to the Oil Rich Gulf.

Slavish support is forgiving trillions in dollars given to Western Europe, which has created huge barriers on US Products - starting in the 50s with Chicken hence the "Chicken Tax" - and just now starting to change under Trump. Under previous Presidents, it was fine for Germany to enact massive trade barriers on US products, enjoy tens of thousands of US Soldiers to protect them and spend their paychecks on German businesses, be under a US Nuclear Shield, complain about US Nukes in Europe ("99 Luftballoons") while the Soviets had intermediate range missiles up the ass pointed at them, and of course build multi-billion Euro Oil and Gas pipelines to Russia while under US Protection and underfunding their NATO by more than half after the Cold War.

The EU was re-designed in the 90s to get America out of Europe, create a market insulated from US Competition, leverage the Francophonie and Eastern Europe for the benefit of Germany and junior partner, France. The same people who claimed the EU wouldn't replace NATO, and no plans for a EU Army, the moment Brexit happened they annouced the European Army..

The Israeli Obsession seems to derive from many of the same people of the Buttcoin-Goldbug Fad that emerged in the mid 2000s.

Zionism is just Jewish Nationalism. Nobody says "Irish Nationalism is just Irish Fascism, they need to go back into the United Kingdom". Or "Catalonian Independence is Fascism". Or "Kurdish State is Fascist Aggression on Turkey, Iraq, and Iran". Levantine Arabs have 3 states (Syria, Iraq, Jordan, actually 4 if you count Lebanon) and the vast majority of the Levant, FFS. The ironic thing is that those who want the lone Jewish state to disappear, have no problem backing all kinds of nationalist and separatist movements elsewhere. Not saying you, but it's a thing.

Anyway, it all depends on what you want/think will happen.

1. My personal preference is to cut Western Europe loose and go with a new ANZAC-UK Free Trade Zone of Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada, be neutral to Russia, very skeptical of China, warm to India, and open to Gulf State reforms.

2. The other view is that it's important for America to stay in Europe to keep the Germans down and the Russians out. But that means demanding Germany pony up money for NATO, buy US LNG, and remove some trade barriers.

I could go either away, lean towards #1