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New rules: Foreign pupils must leave US if classes go online
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2020 Jul 6, 4:33pm 1,256 views 25 comments
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MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Jul 6, 4:48pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Jul 6, 4:48pm
Heh heh, another brilliant move. They know how much the colleges love the foreign student's $$$.
That's another pressure group demanding the Dems not implement plan "Maximum Chaos"
And if they don't open schools, imagine millions of absolutely disgusted parents. They'll all start googling if they haven't already and discover COVID facts rather than MSM Cases Fear Mongering.
That's another pressure group demanding the Dems not implement plan "Maximum Chaos"
And if they don't open schools, imagine millions of absolutely disgusted parents. They'll all start googling if they haven't already and discover COVID facts rather than MSM Cases Fear Mongering.
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Eric Holder
2020 Jul 6, 4:50pm
Eric Holder
2020 Jul 6, 4:50pm
I know a guy whose kid has been accepted to MIT. They now question if it's worth it paying MIT price for online-only experience.
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Bd6r
2020 Jul 6, 4:54pm
Bd6r
2020 Jul 6, 4:54pm
Eric Holder says
NOT WORTH. A huge part of what they get is meeting/socializing with correct people that can help them in future (as in current and future tech leaders). Without this, might as well study at Podunk Community College.
I know a guy whose kid has been accepted to MIT. They now question if it's worth it paying MIT price for online-only experience.
NOT WORTH. A huge part of what they get is meeting/socializing with correct people that can help them in future (as in current and future tech leaders). Without this, might as well study at Podunk Community College.
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Rin
2020 Jul 6, 4:54pm
Rin
2020 Jul 6, 4:54pm
Eric Holder says
Think of it as supped up edX.org/coursera.org but w/o the ability to slave away at some professor's lab, while having sex with ugly women, who're the only ones who hang out at MIT frats.
They now question if it's worth it paying MIT price for online-only experience.
Think of it as supped up edX.org/coursera.org but w/o the ability to slave away at some professor's lab, while having sex with ugly women, who're the only ones who hang out at MIT frats.
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Rin
2020 Jul 6, 4:54pm
Rin
2020 Jul 6, 4:54pm
rd6B says
That's Harvard and the Ivies, not MIT.
MIT is for loser engineering types who can't meet anyone, outside of the sciences.
meeting/socializing with correct people that can help them in future
That's Harvard and the Ivies, not MIT.
MIT is for loser engineering types who can't meet anyone, outside of the sciences.
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Bd6r
2020 Jul 6, 4:57pm
Bd6r
2020 Jul 6, 4:57pm
Rin says
Not true, a few of my kids who went there met people who helped them get hired. Was not that different from harvard, at least in our field, where most are autistic and incapable of socializing
MIT is for loser engineering types who can't meet anyone, outside of the sciences.
Not true, a few of my kids who went there met people who helped them get hired. Was not that different from harvard, at least in our field, where most are autistic and incapable of socializing
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Rin
2020 Jul 6, 5:00pm
Rin
2020 Jul 6, 5:00pm
rd6B says
Yes, into places around Kendall Sq (Cambridge MA) and Silicon Valley. I know about that, I'm a Bostonian, remember.
The fact of the matter is that when Goldman Sachs visits Boston, they host their meetings at Harvard, for both Harvard and MIT students/alumni. The idea here is that Harvard's the magnet for the bankers and management consultants but MIT, being the tech school in the region, gets the overrides.
MIT is for loser engineering types who can't meet anyone, outside of the sciences.
Not true, a few of my kids who went there met people who helped them get hired
Yes, into places around Kendall Sq (Cambridge MA) and Silicon Valley. I know about that, I'm a Bostonian, remember.
The fact of the matter is that when Goldman Sachs visits Boston, they host their meetings at Harvard, for both Harvard and MIT students/alumni. The idea here is that Harvard's the magnet for the bankers and management consultants but MIT, being the tech school in the region, gets the overrides.
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Rin
2020 Jul 6, 5:01pm
Rin
2020 Jul 6, 5:01pm
Rin says
And most Kendall Sq ppl are engineering types and not geared towards finance careers.
Kendall Sq
And most Kendall Sq ppl are engineering types and not geared towards finance careers.
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Rin
2020 Jul 6, 5:16pm
Rin
2020 Jul 6, 5:16pm
rd6B says
In other words, their fates, being lifelong technicians, were sealed from day one.
I'd much rather be an electrician or plumber over those kids, any day.
most are autistic and incapable of socializing
In other words, their fates, being lifelong technicians, were sealed from day one.
I'd much rather be an electrician or plumber over those kids, any day.
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Eric Holder
2020 Jul 6, 5:33pm
Eric Holder
2020 Jul 6, 5:33pm
Rin says
I get a feeling you didn't do much plumbing in your life...
I'd much rather be an electrician or plumber
I get a feeling you didn't do much plumbing in your life...
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ignoreme
2020 Jul 6, 5:34pm
How about just cancel the student visas altogether. I don’t understand why 80% of grad school engineers were foreign.
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Rin
2020 Jul 6, 5:34pm
Rin
2020 Jul 6, 5:34pm
Eric Holder says
Right now, the MIT stuff on edX is the soft stuff and while it's a good way to get a micromasters, prior to a real one, it's not the real MIT.
The problem, however, is that we live in a world where MIT-ness doesn't matter.
Think about it, do the ppl who can read all the Dover Publications on Math, solving every abstruse problem in the books, really go anywhere in life aside from some PhD program with a lifelong postdoc pipeline after it?
Rin saysThink of it as supped up edX.org
$75 per an MIT course.
Right now, the MIT stuff on edX is the soft stuff and while it's a good way to get a micromasters, prior to a real one, it's not the real MIT.
The problem, however, is that we live in a world where MIT-ness doesn't matter.
Think about it, do the ppl who can read all the Dover Publications on Math, solving every abstruse problem in the books, really go anywhere in life aside from some PhD program with a lifelong postdoc pipeline after it?
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Rin
2020 Jul 6, 5:35pm
Rin
2020 Jul 6, 5:35pm
Eric Holder says
Pilot plant stuff, prior to getting into the computational side of things. And that was suppose to be the real 'Chemical Engineering' stuff, though I don't why that's of any significance to the world.
So yes, my experience with alkaline burns was a lot less than others.
I get a feeling you didn't do much plumbing in your life...
Pilot plant stuff, prior to getting into the computational side of things. And that was suppose to be the real 'Chemical Engineering' stuff, though I don't why that's of any significance to the world.
So yes, my experience with alkaline burns was a lot less than others.
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Rin
2020 Jul 6, 5:36pm
Rin
2020 Jul 6, 5:36pm
ignoreme says
Think cheap research labor.
I don’t understand why 80% of grad school engineers were foreign.
Think cheap research labor.
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HeadSet
2020 Jul 6, 6:40pm
HeadSet
2020 Jul 6, 6:40pm
Eric Holder says
Oh, I dunno. Seems like Rin has been laying a lot of pipe in his time....
Rin saysI'd much rather be an electrician or plumber
I get a feeling you didn't do much plumbing in your life...
Oh, I dunno. Seems like Rin has been laying a lot of pipe in his time....
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Malcolm
2020 Jul 7, 10:55am
Malcolm
2020 Jul 7, 10:55am
Harvard has a $50,000 total online degree program. I don't know if they turn anyone away, or do I know if everyone passes.
In contrast, I think it is 6 figures per semester for a highly competitive degree at the same institution, but now requires students to take their courses online.
So Shaniqua, working at Target, can get a student loan to buy a $50,000 Harvard degree and say that she has the same education as the guy paying 6 figures, who had to beat out 50 other people for his slot.
Am I the only one who sees a problem here?
In contrast, I think it is 6 figures per semester for a highly competitive degree at the same institution, but now requires students to take their courses online.
So Shaniqua, working at Target, can get a student loan to buy a $50,000 Harvard degree and say that she has the same education as the guy paying 6 figures, who had to beat out 50 other people for his slot.
Am I the only one who sees a problem here?
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Eric Holder
2020 Jul 7, 11:06am
Eric Holder
2020 Jul 7, 11:06am
Malcolm says
Yes, but somebody has to do all the work to actually go through the courses, pass tests, etc. If Shaniqua is capable of doing that - more power to her.
So Shaniqua, working at Target, can get a student loan to buy a $50,000 Harvard degree and say that she has the same education as the guy paying 6 figures
Yes, but somebody has to do all the work to actually go through the courses, pass tests, etc. If Shaniqua is capable of doing that - more power to her.
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Malcolm
2020 Jul 7, 11:15am
Malcolm
2020 Jul 7, 11:15am
Eric Holder says
No doubt, but are the degrees really comparable then?
Yes, but somebody has to do all the work to actually go through the courses, pass tests, etc. If Shaniqua is capable of doing that - more power to her.
No doubt, but are the degrees really comparable then?
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Rin
2020 Jul 7, 11:17am
Rin
2020 Jul 7, 11:17am
Malcolm says
This is known as the Extension program, originally the Lowell program for the working population at night.
It's actually relatively easy to get into, as you need to take 3 courses a la carte and get a B or above, to matriculate in a mostly night time degree program.
A lot of Boston area workers get certificates in specific areas, like bioinformatics or business economics, but few actually try for the full degree. It's not as rigorous as the day time program, however, top students are allowed a few courses during the day but they have to pay full freight for them unless they win a handful of the special student scholarships.
I did a couple of courses during the day, along with other residential undergraduates/grads, got my A's, and wasn't blown away with the big H so I didn't bother any further. I knew it was just a brand name to make connections but by that time, my career path was kind of set.
Harvard has a $50,000 total online degree program. I don't know if they turn anyone away, or do I know if everyone passes.
This is known as the Extension program, originally the Lowell program for the working population at night.
It's actually relatively easy to get into, as you need to take 3 courses a la carte and get a B or above, to matriculate in a mostly night time degree program.
A lot of Boston area workers get certificates in specific areas, like bioinformatics or business economics, but few actually try for the full degree. It's not as rigorous as the day time program, however, top students are allowed a few courses during the day but they have to pay full freight for them unless they win a handful of the special student scholarships.
I did a couple of courses during the day, along with other residential undergraduates/grads, got my A's, and wasn't blown away with the big H so I didn't bother any further. I knew it was just a brand name to make connections but by that time, my career path was kind of set.
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Eric Holder
2020 Jul 7, 11:19am
Eric Holder
2020 Jul 7, 11:19am
Malcolm says
At a first glance - yes. It's not like they are going to develop a separate set of online courses specifically for 6-figure-paying crowd, more like adapt what they already have.
Eric Holder saysYes, but somebody has to do all the work to actually go through the courses, pass tests, etc. If Shaniqua is capable of doing that - more power to her.
No doubt, but are the degrees really comparable then?
At a first glance - yes. It's not like they are going to develop a separate set of online courses specifically for 6-figure-paying crowd, more like adapt what they already have.
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Rin
2020 Jul 7, 11:20am
Rin
2020 Jul 7, 11:20am
Eric Holder says
Actually, at least half the courses are separated out.
The stuff which is in common with Faculty of Arts & Sciences tend to be pre-recorded lectures or involve getting into a section during the day time which most ppl can't schedule.
At a first glance - yes. It's not like they are going to develop a separate set of online courses specifically for 6-figure-paying crowd, more like adapt what they already have.
Actually, at least half the courses are separated out.
The stuff which is in common with Faculty of Arts & Sciences tend to be pre-recorded lectures or involve getting into a section during the day time which most ppl can't schedule.
The guidelines, issued by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, provide additional pressure for universities to reopen even amid growing concerns about the recent spread of COVID-19 among young adults. Colleges received the guidance the same day that some institutions, including Harvard University, announced that all instruction will be offered remotely.
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Under the updated rules, international students must take at least some of their classes in person. New visas will not be issued to students at schools or programs that are entirely online. And even at colleges offering a mix of in-person and online courses this fall, international students will be barred from taking all their classes online.
It creates an urgent dilemma for thousands of international students who became stranded in the U.S. last spring after the coronavirus forced their schools to move online. Those attending schools that are staying online must “depart the country or take other measures, such as transferring to a school with in-person instruction,” according to the guidance.
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https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/New-rules-Foreign-pupils-must-leave-US-if-15389653.php